★GARNET CROW part.159★

Official site: http://www.garnetcrow.com ★ 24th single “Kaze to RAINBOW” (opening theme for the TV Tokyo anime *MÄR Heaven*), airing from October 1. ☆ Fifth album *THE TWILIGHT VALLEY*: both the limited and regular editions ranked third on their first day. 01 Anywhere 02 Maboroshi ~Album arr.~ 03 Koyoi Eden no Katasumi de 04 Rusty Rail 05 Yume Hanabi 06 Kakurenbo 07 Himawari no Iro 08 Hare-dokei 09 Marginal Man 10 Rai Rai Ya 11 Yellow Moon 12 Mou Chotto Sagashite Mimashou 13 Haru Matsu Hana no You ni 14 WEEKEND ・Limited edition (CD + DVD) GZCA-5091, 3,500 yen tax included Includes an edited version of the premium live. ・Regular edition (CD) GZACA-5092, 3,059 yen tax included ▲ Regular program ▲ Every Sunday: α-station 89.4 MHz, “PASTIME PARADISE” (Hitoshi Okamoto) ◆ Please keep the thread sage; relaxed conversation is recommended. ◆ Do not cause trouble for other people. ◆ Fake information only annoys people, so do not post it. ◆ Trolls, age-freaks, negative fantasists, people attacking other artists, perverts, and freeloaders are usually bait or agitators. Ignore them completely. ◆ Remember that this is an anonymous forum. Fixed names are disliked. ◆ If a post is unbearable, use a dedicated browser to filter its ID, fixed name, or phrases as NG words. ◆ Mobile users cannot abone obnoxious fixed-name posters and trolls, so it may look as if they are not being ignored. Ignore them completely. If you respond, you are just like the troll. ◆ Avoid wording and posts that make people feel embarrassed. ◆ Hardcore Yuri Nakamura believers are not allowed to use this thread; go to the dedicated thread. ◆ >>950 is responsible for starting the next thread. No subtitles; use common sense when modifying the template. ◆ If the thread strays too far from common sense, someone may request its deletion. ◆ Do not post virus code or old posts. ◆ Strongly reject self-conversation by people putting on a one-person show. Treat such posters as pitiable and ignore them elegantly. ◆ Absolutely ignore posts by obnoxious fixed-name posters. If you respond, you are equally embarrassing. Previous thread: GARNET CROW part.158 http://music5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicjg/1159711530/

>>1 Nice work.

>>1 Third on the daily chart is... well, I could accept third on the weekly chart.

>>1 Nice work.

>>1 Nice work... no, you added far too much unnecessary content.

Addendum: you even changed the thread title without permission. What an overzealous person.

>>1 Nice work. >>3 Exaggerated promotion that goes as far as claiming a weekly-chart ranking is necessary too.

↓ You also left out something important ↓ Radio appearances: Guest: ■ October 8 (Sun), FM Yokohama “ARTIST SPECIAL” (19:00–20:00) ■ October 15 (Sun), TOKYO FM “au DOWNLOAD CHART” (12:15–20:30) Public live broadcast from Studio Spain-zaka. Message appearances: ■ October 7, α-STATION “J-AC TOP 40” ■ October 16–19, FM Fukui “Dive Deeper”

When do general ticket sales for Tokyo begin?

Nice work~

>>1 Nice work, but do not get carried away.

Contamination has been removed.

Someone tampered with the thread title without permission. This has completely become a brat thread. This thread is garbage. Someone should start another one from scratch.

>>1 Nice work! Yurippe and the others are the best!

The previous thread ended with posts 999, 1000, and the “Over 1000 Thread” notice in rapid succession. The poster says it would have been hilarious if they had been one second later, even though it is odd to say that themselves.

>>13 Did you forget that doing this last year resulted in multiple duplicate threads? I dislike this thread title and template too, but I dislike duplicate threads even more. If you cannot stand it, just take >>950 yourself.

The next thread will be started next week anyway. Until then, let someone like >>13 take >>950.

I cannot be the only one who thinks this thread is not very good.

Yurippe, you have all of us fans supporting you...

In “Mizu no Nai Hareta Umi e,” so the lyric is “white mermaid.” I had always thought it was “fight man, ne~.”

It is only a thread title. Stop arguing about it endlessly.

About how singing GARNET CROW at karaoke makes the room go cold.

Little by little... The masterpiece album is taking shape, here we go!! Honestly, this release did not grab me much at first, but I never get tired of it no matter how many times I listen. That is Gane for you.

Is the protagonist of “Himawari no Iro” Van Gogh?

>>22 Because they are not well known. That is all.

>>22 Choosing Gane at karaoke already says something about your taste, lol.

Even if the singer is unfamiliar, the room will not go cold if you sing well.

>>18 Even if longtime fans think it falls a little short, I think the general public will accept it well.

Am I the only one who thinks “Yellow Moon” is a masterpiece?

Would the second album be the one most likely to appeal to the general public? Also, whenever you sing GARNET CROW at karaoke, the screen always turns into *Detective Conan*.

ASCII art of a person watching a television, followed by the lyric: “Walking through town, Marginal Man, wearing a colorful scarf.”

I bought it today. I am a GARNET fan of two years, and I think this will become essential.

I have not bought it yet (I should be able to get it today). I am curious at what level of fan tenure people will start disagreeing about this album.

>>32 Two days?

It could be two seconds, two minutes, or two hours.

Maybe it means a second life.

Two hundred forty million years.

>>22 I know exactly what you mean, lol. You are singing enthusiastically, then Conan appears and your friends look in a completely unrelated direction. It is tragic, lol. For the record, I have been a fan for five years and am still debating whether to buy the album. I think “Maboroshi” is a good one after a long time, but I have not even bought the recent singles.

I have been a fan for five years too, but I think this is an album you can enjoy normally, like their previous work. The more I listen, the more I hear in it. It is great.

“Anywhere,” “Himawari,” “Yellow Moon,” “Haru Matsu,” and “Weekend” are on another level. I had been keeping the recent single direction (MAR) at arm’s length, but if they can still make songs like these, everything is fine. No wonder it took time to polish carefully; the playing and arrangements are excellent. The guitars especially have a stronger presence this time.

Huh? GyaO gives me an error when I watch it on my computer, orz.

>>38 Five years for me too. My honest first impression was: they made something neither good nor bad, but rather ambiguous. Since their previous albums had never made me think that, I honestly wondered whether GARNET CROW had reached its limit. But it turned out to be another one that grows on you. I think it has more depth the more you listen.

In the end, everything becomes addictive the more you listen.

>>22 With songs like “Natsu no Maboroshi,” people react, “Ah, I know that one!” I sang it thinking nobody would know it, but I was surprised that quite a few people even knew “Sky Blue.”

Think of it the other way around: they were simply too amazing before. That is all.

ASCII art of a character declaring “DEATH.”

That is kind of heartbreaking too.

http://livetalk.yahoo.co.jp/performer/194/ They are putting real effort into promotion this time. This is the first time a Being artist has done Live Talk.

Sorry, what is Live Talk? Also, I should really go to sleep...

I suppose it is a live video of her talking with an interviewer. It is called Live Talk, after all. I am not sure whether it will be video or audio either.

You people seem to have a habit of calling bad songs “the more you listen, the more addictive they become.”

If you want to bash them, go to the dedicated thread. If there is no dedicated thread, start one yourself.

Personally, every album has one song I think is the strongest, but this time there is none. The first track draws you in, but then “Maboroshi” arrives with that bouncy, clattering cheerfulness... It would have fit the album better to make this version the single and include the single version on the album.

I have been a fan for five years, and I think it is simply good in the normal way. People who use their fan tenure to say it has gotten worse have probably just grown tired of it or found it does not suit their taste.

http://www.hotexpress.co.jp/news/061003_garnetcrow/

Good morning. >>1 Nice work. Fan tenure, lol.

Here we go. Will they finally fall today on the daily chart announced today but dated yesterday?

“Heeey, oooover there beyoond the windoooow...”

The more I listen, the more I think “Rusty Rail” is a masterpiece.

Other than the cable chart, has Gane ever reached number one on any chart?

The third DVD ranked number one on the Oricon daily chart on its first day.

I wish they had included “Maboroshi” as a remix version. Why did they not include the single version instead...

Why? Obviously because “Maboroshi” was originally a pre-album single. Its B-side was only “Seichi.” If people know it will be included unchanged on the album, normal people will not buy it.

About promotional director Yurippe still not updating her diary.

>>50 It is video plus audio. It feels like watching television. All the members appear together too; they are not a solo singer... >>60 In the end, that was only a “query” chart, not an actual broadcast chart.

I bought the album yesterday.

Hey, try listening to “Wasurezaki” right after “Yellow Moon,” lol. The transition is unbelievably good.

Why is the limited edition CD jacket a chameleon?

I had the radio on and happened to hear an album feature. They played the full versions of “Eden,” “Hare-dokei,” “Weekend,” and “Maboroshi.” With this much promotion, could this release achieve surprisingly good numbers? I listened to the end with high hopes. It turned out to be a GIZA program... False alarm, orz.

My impressions after buying and listening today as a fan of five months: Nobody seems to mention it much, but “Rusty Rail” is incredible. It is the most moving song I have heard lately. I also think “Haru Matsu Hana no You ni” feels very much like a Conan ending theme. The DVD really is just a bonus, lol, though the older guy looks cool.

The radio broadcast times listed on the official site... Are they wrong?

“Haru Matsu Hana no You ni” feels like a combination of “Holy Ground,” “Kyou no Kimi to Ashita o Matsu,” and “Yume Mita Ato de.” Are they running out of inspiration?

I have practically lived with GARNET CROW playing every day for about four years, and this work is interesting. But I am out of words and do not know what to compare it with...

Nice work, Mocchi.

I am taking a short break from the CD and have been watching the DVD lately. Nakamura is cute at this point, so I hope they release a complete version next time...

Fifth on the daily chart, orz.

So it is AI and SEAMO after all?

Is “Marginal Man” modeled on Hidetoshi Nakata? No, I only thought that because of the image of “someone who is not understood” and the phrase “colorful scarf.”

1 Kobukuro 2 Kazuya Yoshii 3 SEAMO 4 AI 5 GARNET CROW 6 Jet 7 the band apart 8 Beck 9 Evanescence 10 Sarah Brightman Well, tomorrow will tell us whether they can stay in the top five.

The regular customers probably concentrated their purchases on the early-release and first-day sales, so the weekend will decide it. As long as it does not do worse than the previous album, however many copies it sells is fine.

Yurippe really is amazing.

After the humiliation of the previous release, I want them to make the top five this time no matter what. Sales matter more than rank, though, and since there are two versions, I hope they beat the previous release.

Exactly as expected. Fifth on the weekly chart is basically secure.

Yurippe’s voice is stuck in my ears and I cannot concentrate on work.

Maybe 50,000 in the first week and 80,000–90,000 total? I still hope it reaches around 100,000... The New Year is coming, so I hope the Gane members can at least earn some mochi money.

80,000–90,000 seems reasonable. The previous release totaled 64,347 copies, after all.

The fan-club newsletter finally arrived. Does Yurippe on the cover look out of focus?

It looks like the focus was set on Mochi (Hitoshi Okamoto), lol.

“Himawari no Iro” reminded me of Sophia Loren’s film *Sunflower*. Was it inspired by that? Every album track is great, but am I the only one who thinks “Marginal Man” is a masterpiece? The melody is upbeat, yet it makes me want to cry.

They are all just songs sung at the top of their lungs; none of them has a melody that feels beautiful.

Surprisingly, quite a few people call “Marginal Man” a masterpiece. Honestly, at first I thought they were all slow songs with boring melodies. But it grew on me. The melody is not boring. I like it, and it is different from previous GARNET CROW.

The lyrics of “Marginal Man” make me think of *Casshern*. That is just how it feels.

The booklet: It is fine to omit the final chorus of “Hare-dokei,” but they should at least have printed everything up to the C section...

The regular-edition booklet is nice. The photos have a sophisticated feel. They omitted part of “Hare-dokei” too, lol.

After my first full listen, “Kakurenbo” is already stuck in my head, lol. “Rusty Rail” and “Marginal Man” are good too.

>>85 Mochi can earn his own mochi money. Just kidding, lol.

>>85-86 It will not sell that much. Even Kuraki only sold 130,000; half of that would not be much different from the previous album.

>>97 Kuraki has fallen too... But Gane is still more stable, so I think it is too early to say.

(´^ิ ౪^ิ)... “Himawari no Iro” is god-tier.

Maybe somewhere above Aina and around AYA KAMIKI’s level? Aina sold 50,000; AYA KAMIKI sold 64,000.

>>97 What >>98 said is the same as above, but I will say it anyway. GARNET CROW is different from Kuraki; it is almost entirely supported by its core fans. There will also be general listeners, casual users, and people who delayed buying because of “Maboroshi,” so it is not impossible. Since there are two versions, it should not be much worse than the previous album; in other words, momentum has not fallen that much. Realistically, though, it will probably be under 80,000. >>100 AYA KAMIKI should beat that, right? Her previous release sold 64,000 after all.

Listening to “Marginal Man” makes me realize what a masterpiece “Ameagari no Blue” is.

[Reborn] GARNET CROW [Where are they headed?]

Under 100,000 copies...? Still, a goddess like Yurippe does not need to cater to the ears of the ignorant masses. That is fine too, right?

What are you adding on your own, lol?

I have listened to it many times, and this really feels like a masterpiece. It is on the same level as, or even above, their previous work. “Himawari” is an almost irrecoverably depressing song if you listen while thinking about Van Gogh.

At first glance I saw “Rusty Rail (Nail)” and “WEEKEND” and got excited for a moment, thinking, “Is this an X cover?!” But it is an original song...

I watched the DVD. GIZA, go die.

“Haru Matsu Hana no You ni” should have been changed to something like “Waiting for the Summer Cicada.” It waits underground for summer for years, finally emerges, and then dies immediately! That would make it an incredibly depressing song.

No, please, lol.

That is what you call divided opinions. In situations like this, it usually turns into a lot of “yeah, yeah” and vague reactions... I will finally be able to listen tomorrow, lol. I am looking forward to it.

I want to worship Yurippe.

From a distance, the back cover of the regular edition looks like Ossan (Hiroto Furui) and Nana (AZUKI Nana, the lyricist) are leaning against each other.

Someone reposted a report saying that a December 6 release, title undecided, will be fully produced by GARNET CROW: lyrics by AZUKI Nana, music by Yuri Nakamura, arrangement by Hiroto Furui, and guitar by Hitoshi Okamoto. It also lists “Kaze to RAINBOW,” a GARNET CROW song with a *MÄR Heaven* opening tie-up, plus a cover for Saeka Uura’s second single, making four tracks in total. Some details are omitted. (Assuming this is not a hoax.) A produced song with a major tie-up too... Are they really going to include a cover by a newcomer named Saeka Uura? Does that mean they will produce her songs?

You people really like the word “god,” lol. Is your vocabulary that limited?

Correction: Saeka Uura will release singles for two consecutive months. The December 6 release will be fully produced by GARNET CROW, with lyrics by AZUKI Nana, music by Yuri Nakamura, arrangement by Hiroto Furui, and guitar by Hitoshi Okamoto. There is a major tie-up in progress. That line was included earlier too.

“God and dried squid.”

Is Ms. Nakamura a virgin?

This cobbled-together DVD... Give me a complete version!

Who is Saeka Uura?

Gane itself has never received a major tie-up, yet the person they are producing gets a resource that powerful? There is no way that could happen...

>>117 I am dying, lol. That is all this thread talks about, lol.

Do any of you put up posters? There are many I want to display, but I hate having them damaged by fluorescent lights, so I end up putting up the ones I like less, orz.

Honestly, anyone can pretend to be a Gane fan if they know how to use the words “god” and “dried squid.” Though they are not actually wrong about either one.

>>121 Then it flopped. GIZA seems to repeat this pattern endlessly.

How is the fifth album?

I played GARNET CROW without headphones. My mother: “Haaah~” (sigh). I want to die...

Hint: dried squid.

Can I list the songs I like so far? Rusty Rail ★★★★★ Kakurenbo ★★★★☆ Marginal Man ★★★★ Maboroshi (★★★★☆ if it were the single version) I have barely listened to the second half yet. That is where I stand for now.

Let us move toward basically banning the words “god” and “dried squid,” lol.

But this album really does get better the more I listen. It is just like dried squid.

Ah, that proposal was rejected immediately, lol.

>>121 They are a creator collective to begin with. They have been treading water for six years without much progress, and they lack buzz, so perhaps they are having a newcomer sing it. Saeka Uura’s debut song was produced by B’z’s Inaba. If Gane provides the second wave of support, it seems promising. Gane has many songs that reward repeated listening: B’z’s core fans can give her debut a boost, and Gane’s skill can retain them. Now I feel like we can look forward to a masterpiece.

Looking at the releases scheduled for December 6—EXILE with a DVD and TV-drama tie-in, Koda Kumi, m-flo loves DOPING PANDA, RAM RIDER, mink with a DVD, CHEMISTRY, REIRA starring YUNA ITO, abingdon boys school, Dragon Ash, and Mariya Takeuchi—it looks like a huge flop for real, lol.

GIZA’s major tie-ups are not very impressive to begin with. Would reaching AYA KAMIKI’s level not count as success?

However you look at it, the competition is too strong.

>>134 Rankings do not matter at all anyway.

Forget the newcomer; give Gane a tie-up, GIZA.

>>137 Gane makes its business from core fans, so rankings do not affect them, but they are important for a newcomer.

I think Hiroto Furui is a god. About three years ago during the New Year holidays, I went with my parents to Ossan’s family okonomiyaki restaurant in Tokyo. While the three of us were eating around the griddle, Ossan suddenly came through the door wearing Italian-style clothes completely out of place in an okonomiyaki restaurant. He said, “The usual,” and was about to go upstairs when a group of high-school students began shouting, “Ossan!” and “Ossan, you are so cool!” He came back down and held an impromptu autograph session. All thirteen or fourteen customers there had him sign the restaurant’s colored paper. When he learned that the students were from the soccer club at his old school, he chatted with them with a wonderful smile. After saying, “See you later,” he went upstairs and the restaurant became quiet again. My parents and I were excited by his friendly, cool manner as we finished eating. When we went to pay, the waitress—his younger sister—pointed upstairs and said, “He paid everyone’s bill today. Please come again.” I was genuinely shocked.

I have liked them since “Flying,” and I also like “Eden.” Is there something wrong with me?

I think Marginal Man is a god. About three years ago during the New Year holidays, I went with my parents to Marginal Man’s family okonomiyaki restaurant in Tokyo. Marginal Man came in wearing a colorful scarf completely out of place in the restaurant. High-school students shouted his name and said he was cool, so he held an impromptu autograph session. He chatted with them after learning they were from the soccer club at his old school. He went upstairs, and when we finished eating, his sister told us he had paid everyone’s bill. That colorful scarf truly shocked me.

ASCII art followed by the lyric: “Walking through town, Marginal Man, wearing a colorful scarf.”

lol.

I listened to the whole album three times. Yellow Moon is probably number one. It would be amazing as a TV-drama insert song, or on Tamori’s Music Station. But I cannot agree that this album is “dried squid.” The songs are all immediately pleasant to hear, so it is not dried squid. I generally think dried-squid songs are more common in hard rock.

>>145 > I generally think dried-squid songs are more common in hard rock. No, I think intense songs are actually easier to get tired of...

Speaking of this only now, why was “Meguri Kuru Haru ni” not included on the best album? I would have bought it if that song were there... I bought the limited edition of *THE TWILIGHT VALLEY*. It is good. But even if they had reduced the number of songs, I wish the DVD had been made so we could properly listen to the performances all the way through.

The singles on this album are awful, but the album tracks are the strongest. Did they rearrange “Maboroshi” to brighten the album’s atmosphere even a little? The single version was perfectly good... P.S. Marginal Man is a god.

>>146 No, really... intense songs are the ones whose appeal you gradually come to understand. The first impression is not usually good. I know because I am a B’z and GC fan. There are not that many of these intense songs, though...

Mochi (Hitoshi Okamoto) on page 18 of the newsletter looks absurdly old, lol.

“Kimi Tsure,” “Sayonara to,” “Haru Matsu”... Even I am amazed at how clearly the pattern of songs I like is visible.

>>145 Whether something is “dried squid” is subjective to begin with. What can you understand after only about three days since release? A major tie-up...? Could it be Conan? lol.

Push “Mar” to the top.

>>145 Is it not too soon to decide after only three listens? And it is strange to say it is not dried squid just because it is immediately pleasant.

> And it is strange to say it is not dried squid just because it is immediately pleasant. Is it? Was what I said strange?

>>153 Anyone willing to sing “Mar” would be a god-tier artist.

I can only say this while the moment lasts. On Azumax’s radio program, Azumax asked about the listener’s underwear color right in front of Yurippe! Yurippe’s expression at that moment was so adorable it drove me wild~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.

Since “Maboroshi” reached number one on the cable chart, some people probably bought the album because of it. Then they may think, “Huh, is this what the song was like?” or “I was tricked.” I do not think this arrangement is bad, but I still wish they had included the single version too.

I wish Uura would release “Kaze to Niji,” or whatever that joke title was...

They should have done the usual plus-remix format and included the album version of “Maboroshi.” It feels like such a waste not to include the single version.

I finally got it, lol. I have not listened yet, but the protective sleeve is apparently single-use, orz. Will everyone throw it away, or try to force it back into the sleeve for storage? lol. I will cut out and keep the sticker section separately. It feels strange that this is the only release not packaged the usual way, so I cannot be the only one bothered by it.

An explicit list of three grotesque public-exposure fantasies, including nudity, sexual fluids, and defecating on a crowded train.

>>157 Really? lol. Describe Yurippe’s expression in detail.

Why not have Saeka Uura sing “Mar”? They are giving her a song anyway, so they could force “Mar” on her in exchange, lol.

Speaking of which, do we really need another female-vocalist newcomer? How many more people have to debut for you to be satisfied, lol? Put more effort into the existing artists. If they are going to debut someone new, make it a man. Male artists are clearly selling better now, and GIZA is hopelessly out of touch with the times. Someone like Uura looks destined to end before she even blooms.

If you want the premium-live DVD and a collection of the single PVs, send a request through the “Cont.” section of the official site. During the “Rai Rai Ya” period, I asked them to put the solo vocal version used on the program by Yuri Nakamura on CD, and it actually happened. I was shocked. Apparently GIZA really does read those requests. So everyone, send in as many requests as you like—especially the DVD ideas mentioned at the beginning.

That was already planned anyway, right?

I think this every time: Nana is being wasted in GARNET CROW. She writes such good lyrics, but they do not get their due with that vocalist.

A reposted album review says the record is very deep and needs repeated listening, preserves something distinctly GARNET CROW, has some awkward track transitions, lacks enough dynamic contrast in the second half, and would benefit from more falsetto singing by Yurippe. The reviewer’s immediate favorites are “Rusty Rail,” “Kakurenbo,” “Himawari no Iro,” “Haru Matsu Hana no You ni,” and “WEEKEND.” They call “WEEKEND” the masterpiece, though its outro is too short, and say repeated listening will reveal the familiar GARNET CROW and turn the album into a classic. They also joke that the group photo in the regular-edition lyric booklet makes Yurippe look short compared with the others, roughly Ossan > Nana > Mochi > Yurippe.

I reposted it because it was related to GC, lol. I accidentally posted it halfway through—sorry.

>>168 Why not join db and write lyrics for the three morons? lol.

Obviously Yurippe >>> Saegusa, lol.

>>169 My impressions are mostly similar. The members are all quite tall, though. I had thought even Yurippe was fairly tall.

>>172 There are not enough greater-than signs, lol.

Extracted replies matching the keyword “god” from this thread: several users call the album, “Rusty Rail,” “Himawari no Iro,” “Marginal Man,” “Ameagari no Blue,” and Yurippe “god-tier” or “a masterpiece,” while another poster jokes that “dried squid” is the other recurring description.

>>174 Yurippe > (an impassable wall) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saegusa. Too many greater-than signs? lol.

>>176 Still nowhere near enough, lol.

>>177 Yurippe > (an impassable wall) > ∞∞∞ > Saegusa. This has turned into a childish conversation, so let us settle it there, lol.

ASCII art followed by: “Fifth album? On an autumn night, it is ‘Call my name.’ Yurippe’s voice is soothing.”

>>178 That works for me.

When I went to buy it yesterday, only the regular edition was available, so I had no choice but to buy that one. What songs are included on the DVD?

Dried squid gets softer the more you chew it, but it is not that tasty. Ultimately it is still just dried squid. As for the fifth album, you get used to it the more you listen, but it is not that... Actually, I have not listened to it yet, lol.

Whether something tastes good is subjective. Is “gets softer the more you chew” not simply a metaphor for “you get used to it the more you listen”? If so, whether repeated listening makes you like a song or still find it unremarkable is also subjective.

Should it not be “the more you chew it, the more flavor it has”? lol (^o^;)

I do not think “the flavor comes out” is a good metaphor for getting used to something.

As long as it is not an album like chewing gum.

>>157 How would you know that? Was a picture posted online or something?

>>187 That is what people call a fantasy.

What a bunch of idiots. The album release merely made the idiots more visible.

There were earlier posts saying she acted like an assistant or sat beside him the whole time, so I thought pictures had leaked online. You are not one of the Nippon Broadcasting staff who was there, are you?

I am completely lovestruck by Nana-sama in the newsletter.

The newsletter has not arrived yet, orz.

Am I the only one who thinks the outro of “WEEKEND” should be longer so people can savor it more?

Azuki Nana on page 9 is unbelievably cute. You cannot tell she is 34. Though she really is 34.

There are times when she looks her age, but when she does not, it is almost supernatural. Amazing.

She is the same generation as Takafumi Horie, lol.

>>195 Like in the “Hare-dokei” PV, and in the “Hare-dokei” performance I saw on *Music Fighter* on YouTube.

>>193 Yeah~. I actually prefer an ending of about that length. The melody of “Mou Chotto Sagashite” always makes me think of a company song for a distribution business. Thanks to the lyrics, though, it became a good song.

The lyrics feel especially good this time. There is less forced use of kanji, and there are rhyming devices like those in “Marginal Man” and “Machi no Woman.” It is hard to say what “Kaze to RAINBOW” will become until the full version is released.

Shimeji 200.

For the DVD, is it better to buy the regular edition? (Yurippe’s skin looks unusually beautiful for someone aged 28 or 29.)

>>198 The outro goes from the chorus into section ① and then one intro repetition, section ②. The transition from ① to ② is excellent. But although the intro is normally repeated twice, it ends after only one repetition here, which feels abrupt. That disappointed me, though this is still my favorite song on the album.

In short, the arrangement of sections ① and ② made me expect a slow, extended ending, but section ② ends too quickly, which is a shame. Does anyone else feel that way?

“Yellow Moon” is my favorite album track. I think all the singles are especially good too. If “Hare-dokei” and “Koyoi...” had been released as album tracks, people would definitely call them masterpieces.

Does anyone know what is drawn on the label side of the regular-edition disc?

Do you mean a seahorse?

>>206 Huh, is it a seahorse? What are the chameleon and seahorse supposed to be?

People might think they are a band with terrible taste, lol.

Yurippe is a Kyoto beauty!

This album feels completely like “GARNET CROW.” It is about time they disbanded, though (ry.

Fire Okamoto (Hitoshi Okamoto).

The number-one song is still Marginal Man, right?

There are quite a lot of drums on this release, come to think of it.

>>213 How can you tell which parts are programmed and which are live recordings?

>>213 The sound resembles real instruments, but I think they are programmed.

My friend is curious and wants to borrow the fifth album to listen to it. I wonder if he will like it...

Long time no see. How many minutes was the interview on *Mezamashi TV*?

>>214 The good ones are programmed. The bad ones are live.

>>214 Try comparing the indie-era “Futari no Rocket” with the single and first-album versions. The former has poorer sound quality, which makes comparison difficult. >>216 Ask your friend what kind of music he likes; that should make it easy to judge. If he likes alternative or grunge-leaning heaviness, even though the genre is different, he should be fine.

Tsk, tell me.

Yurippe is here in the flesh━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━!

We lured her over━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━!!!!

For the track order, perhaps “Haru Matsu...” would be better at the very end.

But considering the meaning of the album title, ending with “WEEKEND” also seems fitting.

The newsletter finally arrived. Yurippe looks good with the classical guitar, lol.

An enormous copy-pasted wall of abusive insults and violent slurs aimed at Yukio, listing hundreds of obscene, dehumanizing, and threatening expressions.

I finally understood the lyrics of “Yellow Moon” properly for the first time. Oh no, lol. If I heard that live, I feel like I would cry myself to death...

I am considering joining Gane’s fan club. The annual fee is due one year after the month you join, right? They do not charge it automatically in January, do they? Also, is it true that the newsletters sometimes do not arrive?

>>228 The annual fee is due a year later. A renewal form is included in the newsletter before it expires. The newsletter should arrive unless there is an accident. Emails, on the other hand, often do not. Compared with other artists, though, I think the price is very reasonable.

Yurippe has me completely lovestruck. >>176 I do not know much about that person named Saegusa, but compared with Yurippe, she really is a lump of garbage. Still, it cannot be helped. Compared with Yurippe, 99.99% of people would look like garbage. It is too cruel a comparison.

If you could choose either Nana or Yurippe as an older sister, who would you choose? I would choose Nana.

I was casually watching an old recording of a music program and saw GARNET CROW, whom I was not interested in back then, singing “Kimi o Kazaru...” on *CDTV*. It made me happy.

With fan-club seats, the earlier you pay, the better the seat. I paid at a Namba post office last year and ended up in the front row.

Hey, this came up when I searched for *THE TWILIGHT VALLEY*: ttp://dokidokibanana.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/garnet-crow-the-twilight-valley/ Does that “Download” mean what I think it means...? Damn Americans.

>>229 Huh? I thought you became a member as soon as you transferred the money.

Yuri Nakamura’s moist, half-open, sensual lips and her fully mature body approaching thirty are far beyond Saegusa.

Yurippe is not that vulgar a girl.

I want to push Yurippe into ecstasy.

Basically: 1. Transfer the membership and annual fees. 2. Join. Four newsletters arrive during the year. 3. A renewal form arrives with the fourth newsletter. 4. Pay the annual fee. 5. Renew membership. That is roughly how it works, right? >>231 Definitely Nana as an older sister. Yurippe does not quite feel like one.

I never expected “Haru Matsu” to be a song whose flavor emerges with repeated listening... Usually, if I do not like this type of song on the first listen, it is over for me. But now I like it so much I could cry. Why do we keep missing each other~♪

For longtime fans, “Haru Matsu” has a classic, straightforward melody, so they may think, “Here we go again,” and get tired of it immediately. It might be a song that reveals whether you are a new or old fan. On the other hand, it is also a reliable song that fans from every era can support.

>>241 At first I thought the same thing as in the first two lines... But the arrangement from the A section into the chorus moved me... That is how it feels.

The problem may be that every song tries too hard. Without “Hare-dokei” and “Maboroshi,” I think this would have become an incredible album.

Mar-gi-nal Man.

“Rusty Rail” does not try that hard, does it?

What does “Marginal Man” mean?

Marginal Man Nan.

It means Yurippe is beautiful.

I bought GARNET CROW’s *Twilight*. The songs are really good! I especially love “Kakurenbo”!

Is there nobody in this thread who likes “Yellow Moon”?

Marginal Man = an emotionally unstable period of youth.

I pray for Yurippe.

Is tomorrow’s FM Yokohama appearance live?

Is tomorrow’s FM Yokohama appearance live?

>>243 I agree (・∀・)/~~~ The positive melody of “Hare-dokei,” its desolate guitar tone, and the lightly flowing feeling of “Maboroshi” provide a nice breather among all the hard-driving songs. They make the full album feel fresh and good when played continuously.

It is live.

“Hare-dokei” is the best song they have released recently.

>>250 Me too. First listen left almost no impression, but it clicked from the second, lol. I admire Nana’s skill at making one ordinary yellow moon into such a sad motif.

Tell me about “For South.” I heard in another thread that “this thing is truly garbage” and that it contains lyrics like “That guy is really annoying~.” What is the truth?

I liked it immediately.

Like the wind, Marginal Man appears and disappears, and the tears go patter-patter-patter-patter until they dry up~♪

Now whenever I hear “Marginal Man,” that ASCII art is all I can see in my head. I have become this kind of person＼(^o^)/

Hey, nobody has mentioned that it fell to sixth place, lol.

There is no need to keep arguing about something like that.

Ah, so >>263 is a forbidden topic, lol. Sorry, lol.

It is not forbidden. It is simply boring, brat.

>>258 >>260 A fellow fan has been found! The lyrics of “Yellow Moon” are incredible. The other person gradually becomes colder, yet the protagonist can accept it as, “Is this what love is?” Only Nana could write lyrics that painful.

>>266 I think you look more like a brat for getting worked up. People talked about it constantly until yesterday, but the moment they dropped out of the top five, everyone naturally ignored it. No matter how you look at it, (ry. Thanks a lot.

There are definitely more brats around now.

What is the connection between “Yellow Moon” and Van Gogh?

>>269 Yeah. It is especially obvious from the direction of recent threads. It is so obvious that sometimes I wonder whether my own brain has become childish too.

>>270 The Van Gogh connection is with “Himawari no Iro.”

Comparing >>268 and >>266, I think >>268 looks more like a brat.

>>273 Whatever. Say whatever you want. It is not as if I have no way to respond.

July 4, 1977: Yuri Nakamura [musician], Kyoto Prefecture, GARNET CROW.

(´･ω･`) I do not care who is a brat.

“A way to respond,” lol. I am dying, lol. I am on your side, though, lol.

I have been watching since earlier, and I also think >>268 looks more like a brat. But as >>276 said, it does not matter anyway.

The DJ on the upcoming program is a woman who writes songs, composes, and plays piano—almost exactly like Yurippe. The conversation should be lively.

But if they do not get along, I do not think the conversation will be lively.

An off-topic spam post promoting a manipulated ranking for a male announcer and asking readers to boost a particular entry.

I like Gane, but the fifth album does not work for me. I give up. I admit they put effort into the production, lol. One thing bothers me: “Space of the universe,” lol. Nana really is a philosopher, lol.

I listened to the whole album today. “Mou Chotto Sagashite Mimashou” is the best song, but it does not seem popular... When I hear the beginning of “Maboroshi,” I imagine it playing after a detective program ends with a depressing conclusion. That is why I also like the album version.

>>283 The same line about the album version is repeated many times as a joke. What is “var” short for? lol.

Version. —End—

It is short for “version.” By the way, I am amazed at how quickly the replies are coming.

This album—or perhaps Gane’s albums in general—is, at best, made entirely of high-quality songs, making it hard to rank them. At worst, none of them stands head and shoulders above the rest. That is both why core fans do not leave and why it cannot become a huge commercial hit.

At least there are no throwaway tracks.

Candidates for throwaway tracks: → the singles.

Are singles not usually more prominent? It only feels that way because we have already been listening to them as singles.

>>287 It is simply that the times have not caught up with GARNET CROW yet. If this album were released ten years from now, it would definitely be a huge hit!

“Maboroshi” is a masterpiece, lol.

Four.

A playful continuation of the “Marginal Man” lyrics: Marginal Man leaves town, blends into the clear sky, is pushed onward by the scarf that hurt him, meets a blue cat and a circus, and jumps into a cold river while singing to a comical rhythm.

>>287 An unrelated explicit sexual fantasy involving a married couple and covert touching under a table.

>>287 A long first-person story claims the poster had sex with a teenage Yuri Nakamura when he met her while working at a record store, later recognized her in a GARNET CROW PV, and believed a TV interview referred to him. The post ends by admitting the entire story was fabricated.

Honestly, this is the worst album in GARNET history. All nine songs feel like throwaways. Not one makes me want to listen a second time. What is going on? Instead of stuffing in nine weak tracks, they should have included only five or six as usual and raised the overall quality. 1st > 2nd = 4th >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd = 5th Honestly, the current GARNET has lost its shine. At this rate, I will never again experience the feeling I had when I first heard the first album seven years ago.

Oh, really?

Mirai Shida is cute.

300.

>>297 Then stop being a fan already.

>> It is true that I can never experience again the excitement I had when I first heard the first album. Even so, people like me who are not believers in the “grows on you” theory will keep waiting.

>>297 Then do not listen to it, right? I will just take the bait for a moment. Test.

>>297 The problem is that your own sensibility has deteriorated. Do not blame GARNET CROW for that.

>>297 You are free to think that, and I will not tell you to stop being a fan, but at least stop repeating “worst album.” Are you a troll? No matter how bad you think it is, as long as there are people who enjoy listening because the music moves them, I personally believe it can never become a bad album.

You idiots are so easy to bait.

>>297 Taste is subjective, so I will not object to you thinking it is a bad album. But if you cannot accept current GARNET, just do not listen. If it does not move you, find other music that does. There is no need to depend on it.

297 caught so many fish, lol.

Am I in the minority for preferring the arranged version of “Maboroshi”? lol.

Well, I took the bait myself too... Constantly saying “god, god” is annoying, but constantly saying “worst album, worst album” is equally grating.

Sorry, I only became a fan recently and have started collecting the CDs. Is the vocalist mixed-race or something? Her pronunciation is distinctive...

All right, *CDTV* is about to start.

>>311 She is of Chinese descent.

>>311 I heard a rumor that she is from Fujian Province.

“Anywhere.” At first I thought it had a progressive-rock feel~ But like a live commentary on *MÄR*, I have no idea what she is singing, lol.

The troll is really putting in a lot of effort, huh~

Why are you all trying so hard? You can reject the troll’s opinion completely and retreat into your own shell if you want, but could you stop criticizing other people’s sensibilities? Music is a form of art, and everyone experiences it differently. Some call Picasso a genius; others call it elementary-school doodling. I think this is a bad album, so to me it is a bad album. If someone else calls it a stroke of genius, then to that person it is a stroke of genius. Does it really bother you that I called this album bad? You are all rather pathetic.

>>317 First, keep it sage. Since everyone is different, I agree with >>307 and will not challenge your opinion that it is bad. But if you do not want to listen, do not listen; if you do not want to listen, do not be a fan. That is all. And whatever you think, you are the one trying too hard.

Since I have time, I will reply point by point. >>301 Your thinking is like telling a middle-school student, “If you hate studying, drop out.” That is too simplistic. I consider myself a GARNET fan. As a fan, I am criticizing the quality of this release. There is no reason for me to stop being a fan. >>302 I hope that is true too, but in my view it is clearly declining little by little. >>303 Same answer as >>301. >>304 Sensibility has deteriorated? Rather than deteriorating, maybe I have simply listened for seven years and become too accustomed to it.

>>307 I never said I do not want to listen. I am merely somewhat disappointed with the current GARNET. I will remain a fan and continue listening with hope for the future. >>318 How do you interpret >>297’s opinion to conclude that I am trying too hard? Unless you explain that, your comment has no persuasive power. The people piling on to criticize me look more like the ones trying too hard.

From now on, every reply to ID:h4f4cGsG0 is self-talk. That settles it, right? lol.

At this point, stop reacting at all.

>>321 Self-talk? lol. Are there really only people here who cannot have a serious discussion?

>>317 Why did the ID suddenly change?

>>324 Nice job talking to yourself, lol.

>>322 Oh, I see. Like the Ai Otsuka and Orange Range fans, you interpret every negative opinion as trolling. What a bunch of fools... I am the idiot for replying seriously. >>324 The ID changed because I turned off my cat’s power.

Oh, so this thread is supposed to be sage. My apologies. The Japanese sounded a little strange. >>324 The ID changed because I turned off my cat’s power. That is how it should read.

◆ Trolls, age-freaks, fantasists (especially negative ones), people advertising other artists, perverts, and freeloaders are mostly bait or agitation. Ignore them completely.

>>325 Huh? Are you talking about me? I am not. IDs ADzTvSrx0, ETDnCECD0, and Q+T9Eo/MO have not appeared again, which is suspicious.

>>329 Read >>328 first.

>>323 Exactly what makes it a bad album or bad song? Explain it properly so everyone can understand.

>>326 Rather than merely being a negative opinion, this part of >>297—“The current GARNET has lost its shine, and I will never again experience anything that surpasses the first album”—looks like obvious bait. What speculation led you to say that?

>>331-332 ◆ Trolls, age-freaks, fantasists (especially negative ones), people advertising other artists, perverts, and freeloaders are mostly bait or agitation. Ignore them completely.

>>331 I would rather ask what makes it a “masterpiece.” If I had to put it simply, unlike the fourth album, there is not a single song that stayed with me.

This is usually a peaceful thread with almost no trolls, so it is true that there are surprisingly many fragile, blindly devoted otaku whenever the work is criticized.

>>332 What exactly do you mean by “bait”? I simply wrote down what I felt.

Anyway, “WEEKEND” is the best song on this album.

>>335 Tell me the solution. I think everyone should just ignore it.

Why are you trying so hard? Seriously. If it annoys you, why not ignore it yourself? Does the template say trolls are forbidden here? I do not see that anywhere.

Oh ho ho~ lol. Are you refusing to admit you are wrong now? (^^) lol.

It is fine. It would be strange to have no negative opinions, especially about this album. I felt that way a little on my first listen too... I also hope to keep listening with hope for the future. I feel that way about other artists too. I have half given up, so I am not emotionally invested to that extent.

>>336 Are you messing with people, or are you new to 2ch? You are free to call the fifth album bad, but when you say “current GARNET has lost its shine” and “nothing will ever surpass the first album,” I am saying that it looks like you deliberately wrote it to provoke other fans.

>>341 That is a little harsh for a newcomer, but it is wrong to judge GARNET after listening only once. >>342 Please stop responding to him.

>>342 Stop trying so hard. It is painful to watch, lol. I am not messing with anyone; I said I was simply writing what I thought. I had no intention of provoking anyone. If that is how you interpreted it, perhaps my wording was a little poor.

>>342 Agreed. Everyone, calm down first.

>>343 I told you, I have listened for seven years. ^^

Die, 345.

Let us list the songs we like on this album: “Rusty Rail,” “Kakurenbo,” “Himawari no Iro,” “Haru Matsu Hana no You ni,” and “WEEKEND.”

You changed from “watashi” to “ore,” lol.

>>342 I know he is annoying, but calm down too... How did this turn into me being the one trying too hard? What does everyone think?

>>343 Understood. I will stop soon too. >>344 Right. If you want a constructive exchange with other fans, do not write things that sound inexplicably provocative.

Yeah, yeah. From now on, ignore trolls completely. Otherwise this will never end.

I also think there is nothing wrong with posting your likes and dislikes here. Are you all making too much of this? “Ignore trolls” is not quite right either. Is the ability to say what you really think not one of 2ch’s strengths? This is not a fan site. As long as nobody is personally attacking the artists, I do not see a particular problem.

>>351 So the last sentence is what made you angry? If so, I apologize.

>>353 The fact that you cannot even tell it is bait because he did not keep it sage is the real problem.

Too late, lol. There is no saving it now.

>>355 I told you I did not know this thread was supposed to be sage. ^^ >>356 What is too late?

>>335 That is too subjective. You have not explained anything specifically. If a memorable song is enough to make an album a masterpiece, then personally this album is a masterpiece. But the standard is ultimately subjective.

>>358 That is what I have been saying from the beginning. It is my personal opinion, not something I am forcing on everyone. I do not understand why you are all working so hard to reject it, lol.

>>357 “I told you...” Stop being stubborn, idiot. At least read >>1. “What?” I mean apologize. Hey, should we ignore him now? Anyone who replies to ID:h4f4cGsG0 from here should say everything they want to say in one go and be done with it.

I do not really care, but as a mobile user, keeping up with this pace is exhausting, lol.

Lately, GARNET CROW has become “songs where the lyrics are easy to hear = good songs” to me. In that sense, there are many parts of this album where the words are hard to make out, so it does not work for me. “Hare-dokei” is clear enough. I wish she would sing more distinctly. The lyrics and melodies are good, so it is always a shame.

>>360 I apologized properly, did I not? I am not being stubborn. Why are you dragging this out?

>>358 Stop responding to him...

>>364 He really cannot read the room. Trying to argue with him just makes us look stupid.

> Trying to argue with him just makes us look stupid. No, that is something I should be saying... You have not offered a single well-grounded opinion.

Ignore him~~~~~~

In the end, no real discussion can exist in a place like 2ch anyway, lol. It is full of people who just stir things up. I should stop too; this is getting annoying.

Then let us listen to the fifth album and go to sleep.

Is it over? Then I am leaving too. I will come back.ﾉｼ

>>369 Do you sleep while listening to music? lol. How much do you love GARNET, anyway? lol.

3 → 3 → 5 → 6. At this rate, perhaps fifth on the weekly chart? But if sales crash from here, the top five is uncertain. Conversely, if first- and second-day sales are strong enough, the top five is secure.

>>362 I listen to music differently from you. I also like instrumental music, so I may focus more on the arrangements, structures, and developments. Nana fans may get angry at me for saying that, lol. Still, the unique worldview in the lyrics is important and indispensable to GARNET CROW. Do not misunderstand that.

>>369 I am about ready to sleep while listening to the fifth album too.

I am dissatisfied with quite a few things on this album too, especially the second half. There seem to be too many changes of intensity within each song, making the whole album tiring to hear straight through. It feels as if the songs cancel out one another’s strengths. (Of course, that is only my personal impression.) But “Anywhere” is genuinely amazing. I like it enough for it to enter my top three GARNET songs.

Oh, is it over already? Sorry, I am posting from a phone. Forgive me.

>>375 Rather than the track order, I would like them to remove one more ballad-like song. “Anywhere” could have been a single... Also, about “Of course, that is only my personal impression,” you do not need to be that cautious ^^. Negative opinions are not the same as trolling ^^.

Is Coach & Four an Oricon-affiliated store? If so, I want to buy the album there tomorrow.

>>371 I cannot sleep unless I listen to something. Even death metal is fine. But GARNET happens to be my favorite right now. By the way, I have not taken a bath yet. I will come back later.

I quite like the music of “Marginal Man.” What does “Marginal Man” mean, anyway? >>377 > Negative opinions are not the same as trolling. Why did your attitude suddenly change? You were angry a moment ago.

>>378 Forget Oricon. Even renting it to listen is fine; just make sure you hear it.

>>380 Huh? I did not change my attitude. Read my reply again.

>>379 You can fall asleep to death metal? lol. I feel like I could never sleep that way. Though I can sleep even with music blasting, lol.

>>382 Huh? You kept saying to ignore trolls, ignore trolls. Whatever. What does “Marginal Man” mean? (ry.

>>381 I was wondering whether it affected first-week sales, but never mind. I like “Maboroshi,” so I will buy the album. (´∀｀)

Maybe people are divided between praise and criticism because GARNET’s musical style has changed and not everyone can accept the change immediately.

If you care that much about first-week sales, buy several copies, lol.

>>385 The album version of “Maboroshi” may disappoint you. But after listening, it somehow becomes comfortable, lol.

>>387 I hate people buying multiple copies and the practice of selling multiple versions.

“Weekend” and “Haru Matsu” are good.

>>389 Ah, the one with all the scandals, (ry.

>>388 I see. This is actually the first Gane-kuro CD I have bought. I thought “Maboroshi” was good when I saw it on TV. I am looking forward to the album.

I just skimmed the thread, but I think the people desperately attacking the troll look worse than the troll. Everyone should calm down.

This has taken a pretty wild turn. >>392 Do you mean television drama? If so, you should listen to the single version too.

What the hell is “Kita kita”? orz. It would be just like that company to sell a digest DVD with the limited edition first, then release a complete DVD later to make more money.

Criticism is a natural outcome, especially with this album. This is not a fan site; it would be stranger if there were no criticism.

>>395 More realistically, they could release an additional disc in a different version later, like Kuraki and Saegusa. What a vicious company, lol.

>>394 If they are that different, I should listen to both and compare.

>>397 Because they are demons, lol. (´・ω・｀)

Die, 400.

In terms of its sounds, the album version of “Maboroshi” makes me want to call it “techno jazz” or “electronica jazz.” Maybe this arrangement is filtering out the younger fans attracted by the MÄR tie-up. On first listen I thought, “What is this...? orz,” but strangely I have begun to settle into the arrangement. Perhaps a combination of the album version’s percussion and the other parts with the single version would have been excellent. Sorry for rambling.

The percussion sounds so cheap that I still prefer the single version...

The percussion that enters after the singing starts is fine, but the percussion in the intro...

>>397 I did not know things like that happened, lol. I only listen to GARNET among GIZA artists, so I had no idea. That is really malicious, lol. >>398 The single has the fun of being the “Maboroshi edition,” so you definitely should buy it! >>401 I would not exactly call it “settling into it,” but like >>388, I have started to think it is good. I do not know why. Maybe I simply got used to it.

>>404 Kuraki: later released a limited edition based on the regular edition, with a different back-cover photo. Saegusa: later released a limited edition based on the first edition, swapping the front and back cover photos.

>>405 Kuraki’s booklet photos were different too, and so was the inner jacket. Apparently they were all replaced with smiling photos, lol. Saegusa was the worst, lol.

You people can really stay up late.

I only just learned that the first DVD ranked second on the weekly chart. It was 6,000 copies ahead of third place. For the record, first place then was KAT-TUN, with 11,000 more copies than GC, lol.

It is not very relevant, but Gane and KAT-TUN are displayed quite close together in the Japanese CD section.

KAT-TUN and GARNET.

>>405-406 I probably would not buy it for changes that minor (though I cannot guarantee that, lol), but a hardcore otaku would probably buy it without hesitation, just in case.

Personally, if the catalog number is different, I will buy it anyway, but I would not buy something like a second pressing.

The packaging of the limited edition puffed up after sitting for a while.

>>413 Mine did too, lol. Is it the place where the lyric card goes? That is why I hate digipaks... The protective sleeve may be pressing on the package this time.

I was too busy to listen to the album until now. How should I put it? I think Nakamura has extraordinary talent as a composer, but as a singer she is ordinary. Still, “Anywhere” and “Haru Matsu” are good.

As a vocalist, I think the strained singing style makes her sound worse. To put it bluntly, Yurippe is not exactly a good singer.

Yurippe’s singing at the beginning of “Anywhere” is disgusting.

Infinite-universe fried rice.

I thought you meant the phrase “limited universe SPACE” in “Mou Chotto Sagashite Mimashou” sounding like that, and I thought, “What an idiot.”

Anyway, *Twilight* is the culmination of the bad direction they took after *MÄR*. I look forward to the next release. I look forward to the next release. I look forward to the next release. I look forward to the next release. I look forward to the next release. I look forward to the next release. Could we pretend “Kaze to RAINBOW” never happened?

Maybe it will become the second song on a double A-side single... No way...

I feel bad saying this about the members, but the original album track order was better: 01 Anywhere / 02 Maboroshi ~Album arr.~ / 03 Koyoi Eden no Katasumi de / 04 Kakurenbo / 05 Hare-dokei / 06 Rusty Rail / 07 Yume Hanabi / 08 Mou Chotto Sagashite Mimashou / 09 Himawari no Iro / 10 Rai Rai Ya / 11 Yellow Moon / 12 Marginal Man / 13 Haru Matsu Hana no You ni / 14 WEEKEND

I really wish they would end the MÄR tie-up soon. It is about time they cut it off and moved forward. (-_-)

The MÄR tie-up should go to a lesser-known GIZA singer. Continuing a tie-up just because the creator likes it is the worst—using one creator’s whim to damage an artist.

At least it is good in that it breaks away from pop rock: “Kaze to Niji.”

I did not read the thread, but I will say this: >>334 Your way of speaking is provocative. Even if you hate it, there are better ways to say so, idiot.

There was apparently a troll yesterday, but starting the discussion with the evasive phrase “everyone is different” is not acceptable. If you are going to criticize, clearly and actively explain what is wrong (・∀・)/~~~. >>415 “Anywhere” is very good~. The somewhat languid singing in the first half gives me chills. It reminds me of the decadent dark-ambient and industrial world of music by ENDVRA and Beyond Sensory Experience.

>>418 Do not make me laugh, lol.

I do not think it sounds like the syllable “han,” but if you listen for it, I suppose you can hear it that way.

When I made a correction in another post, I kept leaving “Correction” in the name field, orz.

For that part, the “Char” from Fortune King is the strongest.

Putting “Marginal Man” at the end might be interesting too.

Since “Anywhere” has a Björk-like melody and vocal style, Yurippe seems pleased with it too.

>>431 The “four” sound is strange, lol. If you listen closely, it does not even sound like “king.”

>>434 No, that was an example of a mondegreen that caused a commotion in this thread when *Spiral* was released. There is a complete version if you Google it, lol.

It is not completely impossible to hear it that way, lol.

If it worked as Japanese, it could be submitted to a certain program... What a shame, lol.

The album has been released, but the replies are still garbage.

Even if GC never becomes popular, I still want them to appear on television. Not *HEY!* or *UtaBan*, but *Music Station*, of course. That show is the best. I want the world to know them even if they are not popular. What would people think if they sang a song like “Marginal Man”? Would they find it old-fashioned? To me, though, it has an incredibly strong atmosphere.

If they stay unpopular and only disgusting otaku know them, that is why we get threads like this. There will always be idiots like that~.

“Rusty Rail,” “Marginal Man,” “Mou Chotto Sagashite Mimashou,” “Haru Matsu Hana no You ni,” and “WEEKEND” seem like songs ordinary people would enjoy. I really want them to sing “Maboroshi” on *Music Station*.

“Mou Chotto” and “Haru Matsu” are good, but most of the others are the kind whose appeal only emerges after hearing the whole song. The lyrics would be cut on TV, after all. Personally, for impact I recommend “Kakurenbo” and “Yellow Moon.”

Does GC appear on the *Music Station Super Live* every year?

Shimeji 444.

>>443 They appeared once in 2002 after “Spiral,” and that was it. They were already at their peak that year, so they probably cannot appear this year either.

>>445 Thanks. Wow... seriously... I thought most artists could appear on Super Live, so I assumed GC would at least get on MSSL. Only once...? I guess unpopular artists do not get invited. But surely some unpopular ones appear too... Please let them appear. This would be my first time watching live since becoming a fan.

Hint: because they are GIZA.

They do occasionally appear at strange times on ordinary broadcasts, though.

I am not a GIZA fan, but there is a Being group I like, and they appear on Super Live almost every time. Does Aina not appear nearly every time too?

They have not appeared at all lately.

You probably mean B’z, but I do not know whether they once received an extra slot because B’z appeared. If anyone could appear now, it would probably be AYA KAMIKI.

They are actively promoting AYA KAMIKI right now, so that possibility is very high. In that sense, GC is practically being left on the shelf.

Do you really want them to become popular? I do not want that at all. I am satisfied with things as they are.

Only a brat would think that way.

Even if they went on *Music Station*, they would just go wildly off-key and crack constantly. It is better if they do not appear.

Die, 456.

People who say GC should become popular are not true GC fans.

>>457 Wanting an artist you like to become popular is perfectly normal.

You only say that because you do not understand that it does not apply to Gane, so you are not a true fan.

Rather than wanting them to become popular, I want people who assume they are “for otaku” to listen properly. I want them to judge the music itself, not through a bias about anime tie-ups or record companies.

What purpose does the wish for them to “become popular” serve? Do you want the music you listen to to become something everyone knows? Or do you want the artists to earn a high income through fame? Is it not enough simply to like it and listen to it yourself?

>>459 Exactly.

I am not saying I want them to be popular, but I do wish the prejudice would disappear. If nobody even knew their name, that would be one thing, but now people see them as “the group that occasionally sings an anime song on TV.” The members have said that listeners probably approach them with preconceptions too.

In the end, the only way to eliminate that prejudice would be to leave GIZA.

Hitoshi Okamoto Night, November 30.

Before talking about preconceptions, that peculiar singing style alone makes it impossible.

>>453’s group, you are idiots.

>>466 Impossible in what sense? Are you talking about whether they can become popular? Listen properly. We are saying that switching labels would be the most effective way to avoid being viewed through prejudice.

If they really switched labels, that would be the end. No one would take them, and the current otaku fans would scatter and disappear.

Someone would take them.

Besides, GIZA looks close to going bankrupt too. Maybe it is only a matter of time.

Why are you talking about switching labels when you are just a back-office Being employee? Are you stupid? lol.

They are “artists,” at least, lol. They feel like a creator group as well. They were creators from the beginning.

Even if other people are prejudiced against them, why should it matter? If you like them, just like them. Why do you care so much about what others think of the music you like?

The members themselves seem troubled by people’s preconceptions, so perhaps switching labels would not be a bad idea. They are another group of artists, even if they are technically behind-the-scenes employees. But GIZA, which cannot function once Kuraki and Aina are finished, probably does not want to let them go.

>>474 They are not an anime-song artist, yet people view them that way. I do not care what others think, but as a fan I regret that they have the wrong impression. >>475 It seems Yurippe’s response to what she wants to say to the agency is simply “...nothing,” lol.

They are anime-song artists. That is simply a fact.

Do you even know what “anime-song artist” means? lol.

Ultimately it is just an image. The definition does not matter.

Then tell me what definition you were using when you called it a fact in >>477.

Nobody said they wanted them to become popular, but then someone started with the stupid line, “Be popular? That does not matter.” That is how the argument began.

Ultimately, without the Conan and *Tales* tie-ups, they could never have become as well known as they are now. At that point they completely count as anime-song artists.

If a Conan tie-up makes someone an anime-song artist, then every artist at AVEX and SONY would be one too. You are overthinking it. Among the active high-school students around me—unlike you—more people know Gane’s *Spurt!* tie-up than the Conan ones.

“Active high-school students unlike you,” lol.

Well, we are not high-school students, so in a sense you are right, lol.

>>483 I am a current high-school student, and nine out of ten people say, “Oh, the Conan group,” when GARNET CROW comes up, lol.

Even if you explain that they sang a *MÄR* theme song, most people say, “What is that?” Then you mention that they used to sing for Conan and everyone remembers, lol.

This is so boring.

First of all, *MÄR* is only available on TV Tokyo in the first place. Many regions cannot receive it.

I found a troll thread in the Japanese-music salon.

>>489 Do not pretend you know what you are talking about. The poster lists the many regional stations and broadcast times carrying *MÄR*.

There are still many regions where it cannot be seen.

I slipped and fell into a puddle today. Namu Amida Butsu.

>>492 Come to think of it, it is probably just your region that cannot receive it, right?

I think GARNET CROW has excellent fans supporting them. Perhaps it is their unique worldview; their distinctive music captivates people. I have rented their albums and listened, but I cannot understand what is good about them. “Maboroshi” makes me think, “Well... it is okay,” and that is about it. Is this simply music whose appeal some people can never understand? Even when everyone here calls a song a masterpiece, I cannot keep up. There must be many people like me, which is why that is not reflected in sales. Is it not unfair to criticize people who keep talking about sales? I have listened repeatedly and still do not understand the appeal. Is there a song that could be my entry point into GARNET CROW?

You simply do not have a television, lol.

Now is the time to expose Yuri Nakamura’s lewd body completely and promote it vigorously to the general public.

I finally bought it. I was excited because “Kakurenbo” was highly praised, but it was just okay... Maybe my expectations were too high. “Marginal Man” is a masterpiece.

>>495 I think everyone cares about sales to some extent. If they sold nothing, they could not continue their activities. Rankings are another matter; I do not think most people care about them. Rather than wanting them to become famous through big sales, I think more people want them to keep working for a long time, even at a steady pace.

With a little adjustment, “Marginal Man” is polished enough to be a single. It is a fairly ordinary song, though.

I have always thought the beginning of “Yellow Moon” sounded familiar. It seems very similar to Shinji Yamashita’s *School Wars* theme song.

“Marginal Man” sounds a lot like Miyuki Nakajima’s “Akujo.”

The good points of this album emerge after several listens, but my complaints about it have not changed.

I still do not understand what is good about “Sky.”

>>495 As for the songs, I tried to organize what “the appeal of GARNET” means to me. Perhaps it is the voices (vocal timbre and instrument tones), the melodies, lyrics with a unique worldview, and arrangements that amplify all of those things. Everyone experiences music differently, but I think songs like “Mizu no Nai Hareta Umi e,” “Pray,” and “Marionette Fantasia” have something only GARNET has. There are many others too. Honestly, if you ask which song can immediately pull someone into the GARNET world, I am not sure myself. If you have listened for years and still do not understand the appeal, perhaps it simply does not suit your sensibility.

Put bluntly, they have run out of ideas. Regardless of whether the rumors are true, the very fact that people keep saying “it sounds like X” is telling. To me, “Himawari” sounds like Remioromen’s “Konayuki,” lol.

Maybe they have run out of ideas. After hearing the fifth album, I cannot help feeling, “This sounds familiar somehow.”

The A section of “Mou Chotto Sagashite Mimashou” sounds a lot like the line “We go on paradise” in GARNET CROW’s “Futari no Rocket.”

The intro of “Marginal Man” also sounds a lot like “Ameagari no Blue.”

>>495 Try the bright songs first (“Natsu no Maboroshi,” “Spiral,” “Futari no Rocket”) and the darker songs (“Mizu no Nai Hareta Umi e,” “Holy Ground,” “Sky”). You can hear all of them on a best-of album. If that still does not work, think about the genres and styles you usually listen to. (・∀・)/~~~

Intro and other arrangement elements are naturally part of the band’s overall atmosphere, so similarities are unavoidable. But if the main melody is similar, that is a problem. If they really are piecing together the good parts of J-pop, blind devotees buying it is only natural...

The B section of “Kakurenbo” is quite good. Also, unrelated, but does “Rusty Rail” not feel like a song in the style of Komatsu Robot overall?

Recently I have started thinking that Hiroto Furui’s arrangements are more impressive than Yurippe’s compositions. Where exactly does composition end and arrangement begin?

GARNET’s musical quality keeps improving, but look at you people.

>>513 It probably differs by combination, but generally: ・Composition = only the main melody. ・Arrangement = everything else (intro, outro, interlude, and overall style). That is probably a reasonable way to understand it.

I do not think the quality is improving.

MUGEN just played a PV from this album, and it is the worst of their album PVs so far. It is just lyrics over still images, like karaoke... awful.

If anything, it is getting worse, blind believer.

That is why I would rather they use live instruments. “Rai Rai Ya,” for example, would change a lot if performed live.

I think composition generally includes at least simple chords.

The beginning of “Anywhere” is cool, but the sudden childish-sounding rise in her voice at “busou sae~” is a shame. If it were the old Yurippe, I feel she would sing it more coldly.

Am I the only one who thinks the strained singing sounds better?

I like it too, lol. When it comes to singing, the breathy style from the first album through *Kuri-ge* is actually a little questionable. I also like the indie era because it had fewer quirks, though, lol.

There are so many amateurs here. You really make me laugh.

>>513 Composition mainly means creating the melody: adding chords, rhythmic changes, passing tones, melodic variations, and phrase patterns. Arrangement adds various sounds to that melody—brass, programmed parts, rhythm section, harmonies, and so on—to establish the style and genre of the original. That is a very rough explanation, though.

Put simply, composition is writing the song, and arrangement is deciding what instruments to use. That is all.

That is far too casual an explanation.

I would love to hear Yurippe’s original composition and the arranged version to see how different they are.

>>524 Yes, yes, you are an expert. Then explain exactly what is amateurish about it.

They even got carried away and made a photo book, lol.

There is no “water well,” so rest easy, lol.

Quality depends on how much work Hiroto Furui puts in.

Holding sixth on the daily chart. They are on FM Yokohama now.

Okamoto-kun (Hitoshi Okamoto).

Calling an older person “-kun” is outrageous.

What frequency?

84.7.

All you do is stir things up and bait people. You are boring too, Mr. Expert and Mr. Troll. (・∀・)/~~~

They are on F-Yoko. They are working hard.

>>538 Your very existence is boring too.

>>540 That is a clever line, brother.

The inventory has always been ten songs.

>>540 lol.

84.7? Is that strange piano performance playing there? Is this the station Yuri is appearing on?

They are playing a Gane song now.

>>544 You cannot hear it outside the Tokyo area.

>>545 Check again. They are only playing orchestral music right now.

There it is... another Tokyo-only broadcast...

It is called “Yokohama,” after all. It would be scary if you could hear it outside the Tokyo area.

I live in Tokyo but cannot receive 84.7... For some reason I can receive Osaka’s 85.1, though.

This thread is moving fast. Are there more fans? But I will not give up my Yurippe to anyone.

>>551 Someone as ignorant as you will not be acknowledged, lol.

>>525 I remember reading somewhere that Ossan was surprised and impressed by the way Yurippe adds harmonies. So is she responsible for the harmonies?

I uploaded it to the Rina uploader. I will delete it tomorrow.

The self-conversation has begun, lol.

>>553 Sometimes the vocalist records her own voice multiple times and handles the harmony parts herself. However, harmony arrangement is also within the arranger’s responsibilities, so it is difficult to tell.

What is going on with today’s trend? At times like this I really want to see the Marginal Man ASCII art.

ASCII art of a smiling person asking, “Did you call?”

>>554 Nice work.

If handled well, “Marginal Man” could probably place low on the annual buzzword awards.

Yurippe’s thighs are incredible!!!

An explicit vulgar sexual question about Yurippe.

Yurippe is not that vulgar a girl.

An explicit sexual line falsely attributed to Yurippe.

ASCII art of Marginal Man explaining that, in dictionary terms, “marginal man” can refer to a child’s rebellious phase or someone who belongs to neither a particular ethnic nor cultural group, while joking that his outfit is still too much.

I am dying laughing.

You can tell from those eyes that Yurippe is not vulgar. The representative of vulgarity is Koda Kumi.

Yeah. Yurippe’s eyes are very pure. I do not know much about that Koda person, but compared with Yurippe, she is basically garbage. Still, I suppose it cannot be helped: compared with Yurippe, 99.99% of women would look like garbage. I do not know whether that makes them vulgar.

>>554 Thank you very much.

I also prefer the strained singing, but the roughness and thickness need to be maintained. I think Nakamura’s high range has too much sharpness. Still, “strained singing” is subjective and people use the phrase inconsistently.

Someone previously said the early singles are out of print and hard to find, but I bought one today for 100 yen. I bought about twelve early singles at once; the early cover designs are better. Yuri Nakamura in “Kimi...” is unbearably cute too.

People like Yurippe used to be called goddesses.

Even Yurippe has bad breath sometimes.

>>554 Thanks.

Am I a heretic for loving Yurippe’s indie-era work most? I finally had time to listen to the album properly. It feels like a very noisy album. “Kakurenbo” is good; the darkness and blackness give me chills.

By “indie era,” do you mean the one with the thick eyebrows? lol. It really is noisy, and not the kind of album you can calmly listen to when feeling depressed.

How is it noisy? It is composed and restrained. I like the synth in the outro of “Anywhere,” which sounds like music from *Castlevania*.

It cannot settle down because every song is sung at full volume. Even if that alone were the issue, several songs specifically emphasize that strained singing. Speaking of *Castlevania*, “Endless Desire” has that feeling too.

Would it be more accurate to call it *Adventure Island* starring Takahashi Meijin?

The game where you always trip over a rock while riding a skateboard?

The interlude of “Marginal Man” is scary... It feels like vomiting (?). But conversely, that is what gives it an atmosphere you cannot see through at a glance. It is interesting.

>>580 Was there really one like that? lol. It was ten years ago, so I forget. Anyway, enough off-topic talk. In short... GC is the best!

If we are still discussing music in terms of whether someone sings well, this thread has a long way to go. The final destination is birdsong, flowing rivers, and rain. Human technique can never reach it; nature’s miracles are the music of gods.

ASCII art of a character reacting with “Hah!” and a comic sound effect.

>>583 Go find master Pascual.

>>583 I still wonder about that. Is it really so? Would even someone with perfect pitch find it pleasant? Sorry for going off topic.

Since the fourth album, songs with an enka-like feeling—or an atmosphere filled with deep emotion—have started appearing.

Miguel is on TV Asahi.

Her singing style is becoming more like Miyuki Nakajima’s.

They even got carried away and made a photo book. It is irresistibly cute, lol. That attitude is really charming.

I like GC, but I was the person who kept saying I did not understand the appeal. After hearing “Flying,” I realized what was good about them. I had only rented the albums before, but I will buy this one—especially because of the limited edition. I have started to like “Marginal Man” too.

There is no swimsuit, lol. Hahahaha... that laugh, lol. Okamoto-kun and Furui-san are both the best.

While organizing my CDs, I got absorbed in “Nemesis” again for the first time in ages. This time it was not the Swedish version, but the Czech one. The rhythm is completely different, but it might be interesting if GARNET tried absorbing that kind of development.

I do not really understand the meaning of the “after leaving town...” lyrics in the second half of “Marginal Man.” Could someone explain?

The full ringtone for “Mou Chotto Sagashite Mimashou” has been released, so I listened to a preview, but... “Kaze to RAINBOW” is still better! At this rate, the album songs will probably start being released as ringtones one after another.

Come to think of it, that is today.

Seven hours left?

ASCII art announcing, “The chilled-poop stand is now open!”

>>594 It means they encounter a cheerful circus.

>>513 Composition is chords plus melody; arrangement is everything else. Even during arrangement, the chords can be changed. The composition and arrangement credits are ultimately for dividing copyright royalties, so one party may have done almost none of the actual work.

Yurippe’s standard Japanese still sounds stiff. There are no periods and the sentences are long, so it is obvious she has had no speech training. In that case, I would rather hear her speak freely in a Kyoto accent.

She sounds stiff because she gets nervous, lol.

She may get nervous, but she does not sweat. Yurippe is still calm.

Did I not say “even though she gets nervous”? lol.

Her nervousness is calculated to appeal to male otaku. Yurippe is good at acting cute.

>591 “Flying” is better live. Especially the 2004 version.

>>600 In the newsletter, Ossan said something like, “I am having it easy over here, sorry.” Does that mean Yurippe’s part is basically nearly complete?

>>607 The “work concentrated on one side” mentioned in >>600 mainly means that more work tends to fall to the arranger than the composer. The arranger can change important chord progressions and rhythms during the arrangement, and the style can change greatly depending on the arrangement. In practice, the composer’s share of the work is often no greater than the arranger’s.

Is she from Kyoto? I remember this thread saying it was undisclosed.

Go, mammoth, lol.

I would die of cuteness if Yurippe spoke in a Kansai accent.

Go, rumba, lol.

What a bunch of disgusting people. There is not a single person here who understands music anymore.

An excerpt from an article about the boom in prestigious collaborations in Japanese pop music, including cross-genre “mixed martial arts” and international exchanges. It quotes Kyosuke Himuro saying, “It is wonderful to work with GARNET CROW,” and Yuri Nakamura replying that she was happy to be called a songstress by Himuro. Their connection began two years earlier when GARNET guitarist Hitoshi Okamoto spoke with Himuro on the radio.

>>613 You are only saying that now? There never were any, lol. And I still took the bait...

>>610 >>612 I watched it on YouTube. The strange excitement before the concert was pretty funny, though.

>>615 And lately there are more live-commentary nerds too.

http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h40525324

>>617 That does not answer me at all, lol. Have there ever been people who made you think, “Wow, they really understand music”? There are simply more trolls than before.

Your side is not really a problem at all, lol.

I misspoke; it was phrased as a question, lol.

The first line was not a question, lol. You were just laughing, right? So saying “that does not count as an answer” is strange. Okay?

The live broadcast is here, at last.

The nuclear test is hereーーーー!

Contamination has been removed.

I had forgotten that Yurippe’s surname is Nakamura.

Look, it rushed out trailing smoke.

This is a bad album. The deterioration of “Maboroshi” is especially severe. Every song is a throwaway. Did they even try?

“Maboroshi” was only just released, so putting the same song on the album unchanged would have been awkward. They tried changing it, that is all. As long as you have the single, what is the problem?

Either you have not listened carefully enough yet, or GARNET’s songs simply no longer suit your sensibility.

Does the GyaO live stream start today?

>>631 It starts today. I am watching now, and GARNET CROW really is good. The buffering is terribly annoying, though.

>>631 It starts today. It is pretty good.

I am watching it now.

>>628 You think criticizing others makes you look cool. You are stupid. Just stupid.

Gazing at that~ soul!

Well, it is true that “His Voyage” and “Nonsense” are better than any song on the album.

>>637 You suddenly say that and expect me to respond...? lol.

With “Haru Matsu,” everything through the middle makes me think, “Good, good~.” Then the final “haaah-ah-ah” harmony appears and instantly drains my enthusiasm: “This again?” They use it too much in ballads, like “Sayonara to” and “Kimi o Kazaru.”

I told you, “Maboroshi” is a god-tier song!!

It is a shame that the intro of the album version of “Maboroshi” was used in such a poor arrangement. It simply does not suit “Maboroshi.” Used on a song that was uniformly heavy and cold, that intro’s distinctive floating quality would have worked very well.

I am watching the live stream now. Is everyone else getting a slideshow too? The video is so choppy that the whole screen is still images.

>>642 It is normal video on my end. It is not perfectly smooth, but it does not freeze.

“Yume Mita Ato de” is such a good song. (´；ω；`) *sob*

>>643 Seriously...? I am so jealous, lol. Mine keeps freezing; it changes one still image every fifteen seconds.

>>642 Could it be your computer’s specifications? Try using a PS.

>>646 By specifications, do you mean free space? If so, this PC is almost full. Ordinary videos play normally, though. What is a PS?

PlayStation 2.

With a narrowband connection, you get a screen full of still images.

I want Yurippe to attack me. (*´Д｀)

Her live singing has improved. It makes me want to go to a live show too, orz.

Is this not the perfect timing? lol.

If Yurippe’s compositions were only at Aika Ohno’s level, there would be no need for Hiroto Furui’s arrangements. Many songs arranged by Furui are practically composed by him too.

It is a great revolution, lol.

This is hopeless... It is not video at all, it is a slideshow. Why did it have to be streaming? >>649 My computer is technically broadband... YouTube works fine, but streaming does not. Help.

The album version of “Maboroshi” makes the arrangement feel as though it is talking about someone else in relation to the lyrics. It feels like watching a world different from one’s own: “Oh, I see.” That is not bad, though.

If GyaO releases everything, there will be no point in buying the edition with the DVD.

Go buy a PS2.

>>653 Aika Ohno’s level is far too low, lol.

Everyone, keep it sage.

Even Aika Ohno was impressive at least through around 2002. Kuraki’s “Time after time” in 2003 was still a masterpiece. After that, though, it completely fell apart.

>>635 The defender is trying so hard, lol. The defenders here really do seem to have something wrong with them.

Was the complete *Premium Live* version not going to be released at the same time as this live DVD?

>>661 That is true. It declined because the formula was overused. Once they were forced into an Ohno-and-Tokunaga formula, it was bound to be difficult. >>662 Are you a troll? If so, I would love to hear your brilliant theory. Things are more interesting when they become more vicious.

How many people do we have to block, anyway...

There really are a lot of people stirring things up lately.

It is nice to get vicious once in a while. I definitely want to hear your opinion. Honestly, looking at everyone’s replies, I also think they may be rating the group a little too highly.

This thread is overreacting to negative opinions and arguing too much. Why not simply treat it as “the opinion of someone interested in GARNET” and move on? Positive opinions are rarely argued either; people just say, “X is a masterpiece,” or “X is the best,” based on feeling. It is strange to demand evidence only from negative opinions.

>>668 Longtime fans ignore provocation and attacks. There have been more brats since MÄR, so this has become a good fishing pond.

That is not the issue, though.

>>668 If you ask for positive opinions, you will only get the same answers because they are fans. Their praise and criticism are not very different from one another. Negative opinions, however, come from a general perspective, so if the person is willing to explain, you can expect a variety of content.

Love Yurippe.

There is only “Yellow Moon” there.

What I mean is that I wish there were a moderate number of critical opinions like the troll’s. More specifically, I like that tense, combative feeling. Provocateurs and baiters get fans to bite, so I wish they would stir things up a little more.

Mochi, please play “Yellow Moon” cleanly at least at this level. Mochi is the fifth album’s chief war criminal. You should just stick to playing accompaniment. You have practically become the bass section.

It is nice that it can be watched for free, but I still wish the *Premium Live* DVD would get a normal release.

Still holding sixth on the daily chart today → Could it have longer legs than the best album?

Nice~

When I went to Book Off today, the orange *Kaleido* edition was only 1,350 yen, lol. I bought it immediately. What a bargain.

3 → 3 → 5 → 6 → 6 → 6. Sarah Brightman’s weekend surge is so strong that I am starting to worry whether they can make the top five... orz.

13 → 10 → 10 → 2 → 2 → 2.

Sorry for posting from my phone. About how tall and heavy are Yurippe and Nana? Nana: 170 cm, 49 kg. Yurippe: 165 cm, 42 kg. Something like that?

170 cm is quite tall for a woman... Are they not both around 165 cm?

Nana is about 10 cm shorter than Ossan. Yurippe is about 5 cm shorter than Nana. Mochi is a little shorter than Ossan. That is my impression from the two-page photo in the album booklet.

>>674 Huh? Why did you suddenly change your story? What do you mean, “I wish there were a moderate number”? Were you not desperately encouraging trolls before? What is this supposed to be? The intelligence level of this thread really is about the level of monkeys, lol.

I am 170 cm and shook hands with Okamochi. He was about 5 cm shorter than me. Yurippe is a little shorter than Okamochi, so I think she is around 162–163 cm.

Then I must be about the same height as Yurippe, or somewhere between Mochi and Yurippe, orz.

Then Yurippe and I are a good match. Her being about 10 cm shorter than me would be perfect.

Mochi is 156 cm.

>>689 Hey, that is HYDE, lol.

So the goddess is 162–163 cm tall? That is about 10 cm shorter than me.

>>686 I guess Yurippe is about 5 cm shorter than Mochi. Using your firsthand experience as a reference: Mochi: about 165 cm. Ossan: a little taller than Mochi, around 167–168 cm. Nana: a little shorter than Ossan, around 164–165 cm. Yurippe: a little shorter than Nana, around 162–163 cm. Is that right?

Yurina Kumai: 171.8 cm as of May 2006.

Ossan is awfully short, lol. There is quite a height difference between Mochi and Ossan. Did Yurippe not say her first impression of Ossan was, “He is so tall”?

Mochi can stretch his neck by several dozen centimeters, after all.

There is no way the old man is under 170 cm.

>>692 Where did those 5 cm go?

Ah... I have confused myself, lol.

Keeping their heights undisclosed probably means, “Please use your imagination.” I will take it that way, lol.

>>695 Hey, several dozen centimeters is too much, lol. ...And I am the one who keeps making these jokes, too.

>>695 That is useful when measuring height. I am so jealous.

This album is complete garbage. That is a fact. The only reason people here hate trolls is that they do not want to admit this fact. They refuse negative opinions because they do not want to hurt themselves. This place is a textbook den of DQNs, lol.

You are also rejecting the entire album because you do not want to hurt yourself and refuse to accept it.

If you are a troll, why not simply stop listening?

>>703 You cannot even write your own sentences. That is what makes you a DQN, lol.

Stop disrupting the thread by changing IDs one by one, trash.

If you do not explain specifically what is bad, nothing you say is useful. It feels like you are just causing trouble however you like. It is ironic for me to say this after taking the bait, but from now on, should we ignore people who only shout “garbage” without giving reasons?

>>706 Because you idiots would add me to your NG filters, moron. >>707 I gave plenty of specific reasons already. Are you so stupid that you cannot read back through the replies?

It looks like this thread has also acquired someone who reminds me of that other person.

Yurippe looks tall because she is so thin. Her delicate, beautiful body is goddess-like and mysterious.

>>709 What is wrong, monkey? Cannot refute anything? You are even worse than a monkey, lol.

>>685 Sorry, I was not there at the time. At least I want to hear the opinions of people like you seriously.

◆ Please keep the thread sage; relaxed conversation is recommended. ◆ Do not cause trouble for other people. ◆ Trolls, age-freaks, negative fantasists, people attacking other artists, perverts, and freeloaders are mostly bait or agitation. Ignore them completely.

Yurippe believers are annoying too, but they are amusing enough to watch. Still, there is some truth to the idea that being thin makes her look taller.

Oh, that person has come here too.

>>712 Oh? After reading my opinions from >>297 onward, what do you think?

Apparently that person listens to GC too.

>>712 >>713

In any case, please rewrite why you think this album is bad. Everyone can discuss it from there.

I told you I have written it many times. Read the replies from >>297 onward.

>>717 You are the person least capable of ignoring someone, are you not? Idiot, lol. No wonder you are worse than a monkey, lol.

>>719 >>713. Read it.

>>722 Go die, monkey. I am not responding to trash like you.

Since I already took the bait and replied seriously, I will say this: after >>713, everyone should ignore him completely. This smug behavior is a perfect imitation of that obnoxious fixed-name troublemaker. You all understand, right? Follow >>713 strictly. If you do not ignore him, he will keep enjoying himself until he goes to sleep.

Understood. Do not say “go read the old posts” again. If you do not reorganize and rewrite your reasons, I will ignore you too.

>>724 That is why the troll is right: you are the person least capable of ignoring him. From our perspective, you are the troll who keeps dragging this out. > Ignore them completely. If you respond, you are just like the troll. Do you not understand this sentence?

The moment you wrote that, you were no longer ignoring him. Everyone should uphold the principle of ignoring him.

All throwaway tracks. “Maboroshi” was degraded. They baited people with two different covers. That is all.

>>724 Who is the obnoxious fixed-name troublemaker you mean?

>>728 In what ways do you think all the songs are throwaways? I want to know.

So in the end, negative opinions are still being labeled trolls and ignored wholesale. Strange. Personally, I think the people who casually post insults about Yurippe’s genitals and anus, attacking the artist herself, are much worse.

Routine bump.

The GyaO *Premium Live* is not the show from the day Yurippe cried.

>>730 I am >>334.

To add one thing, I think these nine songs are no different from throwaways by companies like AVEX and Sony. That is all.

>>733 Something like that would basically never be broadcast.

>>731 Negative opinions themselves are fine, but without specific explanation they are not useful. I thought that if we stopped provoking the provocateur, he might eventually say something substantive. Apparently I expected too much.

The fact that he ranks the third album so low makes it seem like the new album simply does not suit his taste. That album was divisive too.

>>737 No, you people were the ones who started provoking him. I have said it many times: read the exchange from >>297 through around >>400. No matter how you look at it, the people who rejected the troll without distinction are the problem.

>>736 In that sense, it would be a little *Premium* bonus. I think it would be interesting to broadcast it.

Once the long weekend starts, the days pass quickly. Tomorrow is MFM again. But since it is the first day after the holiday, I wonder whether it will be on.

Seriously, the troll’s wording is too abstract. That is why it provokes the fans.

Maybe the show from the day she cried will be released on DVD?

>>742 Then give a non-abstract opinion yourself. How exactly are you supposed to express sensibility concretely?

>>743 Even if it is released, they will probably edit together the two days and cut it down into a polished version, lol. They have done that before, lol.

>>735 That is a matter of feeling, so I will not reject the opinion itself, but I still wish you would be more specific. It is too abstract.

Bump, bump.

I read from >>297. At first he used polite speech and pretended to be a strange character, then his personality gradually collapsed and his true self appeared. The transformation is interesting.

>>739 I did not intend to provoke him. Maybe saying “we” was poor wording.

>>746 That is what I said: it is impossible to make sensibility concrete. Can you, in return, concretely explain what is good about it?

>>744 For example, say what is good about a specific part of a specific song. If you read today’s exchange from the beginning, these statements are not specific: ・This album is complete garbage. ・Every song is a throwaway. (Even >>730 seems to think that is not specific.) ・They are no different from throwaways by AVEX or Sony.

>>751 Are you listening to what I am saying? Monkeys should not give opinions.

>>737 ・The melodies are good. ・The lyrics are good. That is all the people praising it say too. They do not know exactly what is good. Ultimately it is just “it is good because I think it is good.” Negative opinions work the same way if you replace “good” with “bad.” Would that satisfy you? Demanding only the negative side produce reasons that satisfy everyone is unreasonable.

Wow... the *Premium Live* audience has a terrible atmosphere, lol. People waving mechanically and others sitting there expressionless, lol.

>>754 GIZA bears tremendous blame for deliberately selecting people like that. I am genuinely angry.

The live show really is something... I feel sorry for Yuri. Even watching, I was nervous for her, lol. It feels like the class mood-maker said something wrong and the room went silent. But that timid Yuri is cute too.

>>743 They included a DVD with the album, split sales between two editions, and streamed it on GyaO. I sense GIZA’s betrayal in that whole process. So perhaps a DVD will be released.

>>750 I do not think this album is good either. Every song is sung in a strained style, and the melodies rely on that strained part. The heavy and more pop-oriented songs also resemble one another, so there is little variety. They are all songs that force you to feel their “power.” (There were already enough powerful songs among “Yume Hanabi,” “Eden,” and “Rai Rai Ya,” right?) It is tiring to listen to, and the mysterious quality used in its promotion is less present here than ever. On the other hand, it might be a good album for people who dislike flashy arrangements.

>>755 They probably prioritized selecting people who were not in the fan club. They did this to remove the otaku image, but in the end almost nobody except fans would watch the footage anyway. For a commemorative fifth-anniversary live show, is it really okay that it ended up like this? I wonder.

So, are the defenders finished giving their opinions? Still completely unproductive today. What a shame. But with monkey-level intelligence, I suppose it cannot be helped. At least I learned that someone like ID:w5OqYBTxO exists, so that is some gain. I will come back. By the way, why has nobody replied to ID:w5OqYBTxO? lol. It is not that you will not reply; you cannot reply, right? It is too correct to refute, lol.

GIZA-style argument-bumping.

Almost everyone in the *Premium Live* audience moves exactly the same way. It is creepy. They only clap; almost nobody waves their arms, except when the members tell them to raise them.

>>731 That is not true. My posts may ultimately become insults toward Yurippe herself, but that is only because I express my love for her too intensely. I swear to god, I have not the slightest intention of defiling Yurippe as an artist. I sincerely love her from the bottom of my heart.

>>763 Go die, pervert.

That must be very troubling for Yurippe. If you really love her, you should at least understand that.

>>753 That is just an excuse to evade the issue. If you think so, explain it concretely yourself. If you engage with the other person’s opinion and still cannot get a specific answer, then you win. >>760 >>758 already gave a concrete opinion in >>750, but I have not heard your concrete opinion. All I feel is that you dislike it based on instinct. Organize the reasons you think it is a bad album, then come back.

It is about time the last song changed to something other than “Rocket” or “Spiral.”

>>766 Huh? Did >>758 not say in >>750 that it was impossible to explain specifically? Whether you want to hear a concrete opinion from >>758 or not, I do not think >>758 ever promised to provide one. He has left now, so ask him when he comes back. I will join next time too. This is fun.

Would “WEEKEND” not work?

Yeah.

>>769 The final song should be one that raises the atmosphere. Of course, ending quietly is good too. For the record, I mean the final song of a live show; I forgot to say that.

>>768 I am almost completely confused now, lol. Maybe I got something wrong somewhere. Everyone, please ignore me.

>>771 How about “Eden”? They could repeat the final chorus many times, like “Spiral.”

It feels like it would be used as the successor to “Rocket,” lol. But if they used it, I think it would be more like the final song of the main set.

Are you people idiots? What is this sequence of replies, lol. This really is a great fishing pond, lol.

The troll has been squatting here since earlier. So annoying.

>>753 I usually hear opinions like yours, so naturally I expect interpretations from ordinary listeners or trolls who may not have the emotional attachment fans have and may think more broadly.

I watched *Premium Live*. Did they mix together the 16th and 17th? Also, Mochi looked cool after Yurippe left during the MÄR segment. Otherwise, “Spiral” and “Bokura Dake no Mirai” still stood out most in the live show.

Mochi really likes the phrase “thank you, thank you.” It is cute, lol.

>>777 The residents here are not expecting the kind of opinion you describe. You can tell from the earlier exchange. They are just ugly people desperately rejecting the troll. I will join next time too.

If anything, I think people like >>775 and >>776 are the ones who should be ignored.

>>781 Then ignore yourself too.

Marginal Man, taking it easy.

>>782 Why do you all keep chanting “ignore, ignore” like idiots? That person is not even a troll. Are you so afraid of being contradicted? Then crawl back into your shell. For someone like me who wants to hear negative opinions, people like you are incredibly annoying.

I feel the same way.

>>777 Even core fans with emotional attachment to GARNET’s past may have negative impressions of a new release. Do not label everyone who posts a negative opinion as a troll, newcomer, or casual fan.

>>784 A stereotypical comeback such as “Can you speak Japanese?” and “Nice job talking to yourself” should do the trick.

>>784 Why do you want to hear a troll’s voice? lol.

All right, everyone take a deep breath before posting.

There is no way to talk with you people. That person was right about your monkey-level intelligence. From now on I will completely ignore >>787.

Everyone must be getting excited by Yurippe’s beauty.

>>788 Let me ask you in return: why are you trying so hard to provoke the troll? Is it really strange to want to know what is bad about the album? Your attitude seems stranger to me.

>>792 You are not going to write songs yourself, lol. What could you use a troll’s opinion for? lol.

>>793 That is not an answer. Also, whatever; stop overusing “lol.” It only makes you look stupid.

No, that is the answer. Why does it not count as an answer?

Anything is fine as long as it is not vulgar.

Whatever. I cannot talk to you. Improve your cultural level first. Do not get in the way when that person comes back.

>>790 is annoying too, but >>787 is worse, lol. I am aboning both of them.

Yurippe nearly died singing “Eden.”

I claimed post 800 for Yurippe.

So when will the complete DVD version be released?

If you only want positive opinions about the songs, go to a fan site. I think honestly stating both what you like and what you dislike is more constructive for listeners. (I do not mean that it will affect GARNET CROW’s songwriting.) People who have no complaints are free to feel that way too. This feels like self-conversation.

ASCII art of Marginal Man saying: “Well, people who get serious after being baited on 2ch are children. Reply to jokes with jokes, and ignore trolls. Until you can do that, lurk.”

>>803 That healed me, lol.

>>802 Exactly. If you have no complaints, just think, “I do not feel that way,” when a critic appears. There is no reason to provoke them desperately. Maybe this is evidence of the low quality of the residents here.

>>803 No, please, lol. Whenever I hear “Marginal Man,” that ASCII art immediately appears in my head, lol.

I hope Yurippe can continue working for a long time.

People who dislike something may be able to evaluate it more objectively than people who like it.

Vulgar posts and the MÄR tie-up are combining to emit a wavelength that turns residents into blind believers.

>>802 Exactly. The idea that “everything GARNET does is 100% correct” makes me think, “What kind of cult believer is this?” This is not a fan site or Mixi. I think it is fine to write what you think.

ASCII art ending with: “Damn, being alive is fun.”

>>639 That is true. Should we call it simple or clichéd? It would not matter if people did not care, but I still wish they would put more effort into it.

Praise them if you want. If you want to post a critical thread even though you know this place is full of otaku, do it. Ignore people if you want, argue if you want, disrupt the thread if you want, and post vulgar things if you want. Do whatever you like. There is no point in starting a thread on 2ch and imposing rules on it yourself. Everyone is different, so relax.

There are more sensible people around at night.

>>733 The show with a camera behind the stage was on the 16th; the one without a camera was on the 17th.

Is it impossible to have a serious discussion in this thread?

The situation suddenly reversed. Could all the people shouting “ignore him” yesterday and today actually have been the same person talking to himself? The thread took this turn as soon as ID:9TSfPtN30 disappeared. Maybe that person was the most annoying one after all.

>>816 I think it is a matter of wording.

There was no “Last Love” on the 16th, so the encore must have been on the 17th.

>>817 You are annoying enough with all your muttering too, lol.

Huh? No, today was my first post. I did post yesterday, though.

>>821 They mean that the whole thing has ended and settled down, so stop bringing up ID:9TSfPtN30 again.

This release does not work for me. I cannot keep up with GC anymore. That is an opinion. “This album is still bad, lol. They might as well disband, lol.” That is provocation.

Reposts the earlier “worst album in GARNET history” criticism, saying all nine songs feel like throwaways and ranking 1st > 2nd = 4th >>> 3rd = 5th.

Even among the fans, opinions on this release are sharply divided. It is hard to say whether the general public will accept it. At any rate, it is not the kind of album you can recommend by saying it will make people cry.

An extremely explicit sexual fantasy targeting Yukio, involving graphic sexual acts, rape threats, restraint, and forced pornography.

>>824 No matter how many times I read it, I do not understand why >>297 was attacked. He simply explained his opinion; he was not provoking anyone.

All right, all right. Bump.

What does “will make people cry” mean? That is not appropriate wording for a GARNET CROW album.

>>786 You may already be gone, but let me say this: what meaningful evaluation of this release have you actually made?

I think >>297 was attacked because he did not keep it sage. He pushed the thread while writing negative comments, then said he did not know why he failed to sage. You would also think >>828 and >>799 were disrupting the thread, right? I think it is similar.

>>831 was a reply to >>827.

People here really cannot let go. You are almost like North Koreans. Learn from >>803, then talk.

ASCII art advising that people who take 2ch bait seriously are children, that jokes should be answered with jokes, and that trolls should be ignored; until then, lurk.

There will never be another one, huh? “The worst album in history,” “all throwaways”—what is this? They should have included only five or six songs as usual and raised the quality. Looking back now, it can only seem like provocation.

5th >>> Best-of >>> 4th >>> 3rd >>> 2nd >>> 1st. Although their early work had obvious immature and unreliable parts, I think they have steadily grown. The change brought by this album is not just the result of two years passing; it is evolution. That must shock quite a few people. I think this is an album whose quality will be recognized highly in the future. Is this what “the more you listen, the more flavor it has” means?

>>825 I think the more a song sounds like Gane, the less likely the general public is to like it. I am more interested in what happens after this release. There are many ordinary-style songs, after all. Number four on the iTunes J-pop top albums chart.

>>835 Why do you think that? He only explained his opinion. He also denied that he was provoking anyone. I do not understand why you need to cling to it like this.

>>835 Keeping it going for two full days is a great success for bait, lol.

I think this is the weakest album GARNET has made. The reasons are probably: ・All nine songs feel like throwaways. ・Not one song made me want to listen a second time. Instead of including nine throwaways, they should have included five or six songs as usual and raised the quality. Personally: 1st > 2nd = 4th > 3rd = 5th. I think current GARNET has lost its shine, and I probably will not experience again soon the feeling I had when I first heard the first album seven years ago. How is that? This person who is bad at writing essays tried.

The quality declined because of tie-ups and similar pressures. Since they are using Miguel, why not let Okamochi handle the arrangements too? Yurippe has worked hard; perhaps let Okamochi write some songs while Yurippe gradually develops as a composer. The quality might improve.

That fifth-line phrasing sounds exactly like Yamada-speak, lol.

Why are there so many people who have fallen apart like >>839 in this thread?

There is no song that grabs me immediately, but some grow on you after several listens, so I cannot call it a bad album. I quite like “Kakurenbo.” Unrelated, but if I put the word “Tiananmen” in my head before listening to the opening lyrics of “Yume Hanabi,” that is all I can hear now.

“Mou Chotto Sagashite Mimashou.”

I think this album is good. It really does grow on you.

We should soon be able to see X’s review. It might be interesting to use that as a reference.

They throw atmospheric songs and songs that sound casually made together without considering the track order. That is probably why opinions split between evaluating the album as a whole and evaluating each single song. Making a mini-album like in the indie era might have been one solution.

Conclusion: if the creator of *MÄR* died, the atmosphere of this thread would improve.

>>830 Huh? I am not sure I understand your question. >>846 If it has only been a few days since release, can you really say you know it “grows on you”?

I think it is a good album, but personally it is a level below their previous albums. I do not feel the same unreality or mystery.

I watched GyaO, and at the end that older man casually touched Mochi’s waist. I nearly died laughing, lol. It was basically: “Want to go for it?”

>>848 They could also reduce the number of tracks and make each song longer.

>>851 is a model reply. >>852 is also a model reply.

This direction is pretty good. Not bad. I think it is a good chance to face GARNET’s music seriously again.

I would also prefer fewer songs, but I would like each song to be shorter too. There are not many short songs this time. For example, “Himawari” repeats the chorus too much; one verse followed by one chorus would have been enough.

It is basically no different from that crappy MÄR album. This is the worst album in history.

I actually prefer the blunt wording: “Honestly, this is the worst album in GARNET history. All nine songs feel like throwaways. Not one makes me want to listen twice. They should have included only five or six songs and improved the quality. 1st > 2nd = 4th >>> 3rd = 5th. The current GARNET has lost its shine, and I will never again feel what I felt when I heard the first album seven years ago.” That is better than the milder version saying it is a decent album but lacks mystery. At least the blunt version allows a direct confrontation.

>>839 Thank you, Marginal-sensei, for your constant service. My top three favorite singing styles are: ① “Fortune Me,” “Spiral,” and the “Limitless Fortune King” shout. ② The “tears aaah~” from “Children Who Do Not Know Love.” ③ “Hugging the precious person, yeeeah~.” Does anyone have others?

I would like to hear another song like “Mizu no Nai Hareta Umi e.”

>>858 Honestly, the fifth album is the worst product in human history. It is embarrassing. Why do you all not commit suicide? lol.

I want something like “Crystal Gauge.” Lately they keep singing emotionally from start to finish. It is boring.

>>859 “Natsu no Maboroshi ~Hitomi Tojite~”: the line “You are the first person I think of.”

>>856 Oh, there are people whose preferences are the exact opposite of mine. How difficult, lol. I can understand what you mean about the chorus of “Himawari” being too repetitive, though.

Maybe the members are getting older. There have been more kayōkyoku-like songs in recent years. As people say, the songs have lost their mystery, and I loved Gane’s mysterious songs. On the previous album they seemed to like minor-key songs such as “Yuuzukiyo” and “Tsumetai Kage,” but I did not want that direction to drag into this release. “Himawari,” “Yume Hanabi,” “Yellow Moon,” and “Rai Rai Ya” all feel old-fashioned. Still, I think a generation nostalgic for that style will like them.

>>860 >>862 True. I would like to hear something like “Sky Blue” too.

I just realized: if you remove “Atsumeru” from *Atsumeru Heaven*, does it become *MÄR Heaven*?

Whenever an album comes out, I listen to all the old albums again, but I have not done that this time yet.

Why are you saying that now...

>>861 Is this person sick in the head? Should we just ignore them?

>>867 You are brilliant!

I quite like “Rai Rai Ya.” There had not been a song of this type before. It has a kayōkyoku flavor, but I also like songs such as “Nake Naka” and “Kimi to Iu Hikari.”

>>870 Believers are sick in the head. Ignore them.

>>871 Your ID sounds like “ueee.”

Bat-Maru is here. “Eden” has turned red, lol.

>>864 I do not mind extending a song through the intro, outro, or C section, but I dislike simply extending the chorus. I especially feel that way with slow songs whose chorus is already long.

The large number of kayōkyoku-like songs is getting a little tiring. But I love “Himawari,” especially its beautiful lyrics. Perhaps the problem is that she has not yet learned to use her singing styles distinctly. She even uses enka-style turns in fast songs, which can sound tacky. Sometimes the voice is emotional, sometimes tearing, sometimes sorrowful, sometimes powerful. If she could distinguish and use those styles, both core fans and the general public would enjoy it. Her recent sorrowful voice—thin and transparent—has become less common, so I want to hear it. Does GIZA have no strategy of releasing that kind of song as a single to bring back listeners who are drifting away? Not if they only care about MÄR~. Nakamura also seems to want to make more rock-oriented work in the future... It is difficult. In short, “Please spare us MÄR.”

The poster may not realize they are provoking people, but if they want to exchange opinions with other fans, they should restrain behavior that needlessly irritates others. Unnecessarily calling people ignorant or fanatics is not good either. People who do that make you wonder whether they have some kind of intellectual superiority complex. Regarding this album, residents are mainly discussing the strained singing style. That should first be raised as a question: if you think it is bad, explain what you dislike before making a categorical judgment. Perhaps the style is intended to achieve a particular effect. I say this because I only check the thread periodically, and each refresh produces a huge pile of replies, most of them strange mutual provocation. There have been more than 200 replies in six hours today. Casual conversation would be fine, but pointless back-and-forth insults are simply obstructive from a third party’s perspective—whether you are the baiter or the person who bites. >>669 Rather than since MÄR, I would say the last two or three months, perhaps since summer. More people have been responding to bait-like posts. Maybe people who do not usually visit came here around the album release. >>813 That is true, but this is a place where trolls and thread disruptors are relatively uncommon. If we establish some basic rules, it should not become a lawless zone.

>>875 Your promotion is annoying. You little fry.

Songs I think are good: “Maboroshi,” “Eden,” “Himawari,” “Hare-dokei,” “Marginal Man,” and “Sagashite.”

>>878 What is this person talking about? Another sick person has appeared. How self-centered do you have to be to say, “Do not post useless things because they get in my way”?

>>876 I thought our tastes were completely opposite, but they are surprisingly similar. With that kind of arrangement, though, extending the instrumental section is probably not realistic.

No, no... I was writing a piece about training personnel for a sewage-treatment bureau, so I could not follow the thread at all, lol. >>875 Come to think of it, this is the first time the work’s genre has been labeled “J-pop.” Perhaps he was concerned that the original loneliness and emptiness in the song structure had disappeared. The backing riffs, solos, and guitar sound with strong imagery and impact take up more space, while the more accessible melodies, flashy synths, and smooth piano sounds are reduced. Overall, the style feels solemn, grand, and powerful. (・∀・)/~~~

>>875 Do you not feel embarrassed constantly calling him Bat-Maru-sensei? I do not know whether you are the person himself or a believer.

There are almost no songs that make you say, “What is this?” Every song feels as though it falls within expectations. Sonically, as several people have said, it lacks the mysterious quality that only GARNET used to have. In that sense, it is not very interesting. Everyone says it gets better and better the more they listen, but for me the fifth album feels less like it “transforms” with repeated listening and more like I simply get used to it. Their older songs generally transformed as I listened... Everyone says this album is good, but it makes me sad that this is the only way I can enjoy it. I will listen to it more for now.

>>885 I feel the same...

>>885 It is not as if that many people are saying “good, good,” though... I love this album. The mood has become “people who praise this album do not understand Gane-kuro,” but this is my favorite of their albums so far.

Listen through the first to fourth albums again. The difference from their earlier work should shock you.

I like everything from the indie album through the fifth album.

I do not think this is an album that grows on you through repeated listening. It is more the kind you pull out after a long time and think, “Damn, this song is amazing, lol.” In other words, the opposite of growing on you... chewing gum? lol.

If the B-side of “Maboroshi” had been “WEEKEND,” it might have been a god-tier single. It also would not have been strange to end the album with “Haru Matsu.”

Who do the people asking for an album like the first one think they are? They do not know how hard it is to make a song, yet they act so superior. What jerks.

The three strongest songs this year are: “Anywhere,” “His Voyage,” and “Nonsense.” Yes.

Tell me about “For South.” I heard in another thread that it is truly awful and contains lyrics like “That guy is really annoying~.” What is the truth?

I think the line is something like, “The unchanging alley scenery is strangely annoying.” No, I think it is a good song.

>>894 Freeloaders who cannot even look it up themselves should die. You are in the way. http://music.yahoo.co.jp/shop/p/53/8833/Y018906

I think “oh baby” in “Kakurenbo” could be omitted. Is it not a children’s song? It feels strange. It bothers me about as much as “come on, come on, come~on” in “Wasurezaki.”

How do I join the fan club? Please tell me ＞＜

>>895-896 Thanks! I was watching the live footage in slideshow form (I left it running and only watched the end), and the members looked so happy during the MÄR segment that I was moved. I really want to see the video properly.

How can I become friends with Yurippe? Please tell me ＞＜

>>898 Freeloaders who cannot even look it up themselves should die. You are in the way.

>>901 Thanks! I was watching *24*, and since everyone says the first season is strongest and the third is terrible, I thought it was similar to Gane.

The audience’s reaction made me nervous too, lol. Yuri sounded a little like she was reading from a script, lol. The audience only clapped...

>>900 Freeloaders who cannot even look it up themselves should die. You are in the way. http://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=%A4%E6%A4%EA%A4%C3%A4%DA%A4%C8%CD%A7%C3%A3%A4%CB%A4%CA%A4%EB%CA%FD%CB%A1&fr=top_v2&tid=top_v2&ei=euc-jp&search.x=1

What was that ending mood? lol. Everyone looked happy and it moved me—except for the audience. Even the green guitar looked happy.

ASCII art of a bizarre mechanical character.

An extremely explicit fetish monologue describing graphic oral sex in detail.

ASCII art of Marginal Man, followed by the lyric: “Walking through town, Marginal Man, wearing a colorful scarf.”

An explicit numbered list of five rules for the sexual fetish described in the previous post.

>>908 A long fabricated story claims the poster had sex with teenage lyricist AZUKI Nana while working at a record store, later recognized her as a GARNET CROW poet in a PV, and believed a later interview referred to him. It ends by admitting the story was invented.

It was obviously fake from the beginning.

ASCII art yelling “Bird Flame!”

The phrase “More training!” is repeated dozens of times as spam.

GARNET CROW is the best! Everything from the indie era through albums one to five is a classic. No complaints!

Did the “Hare-dokei” single have a limited first edition? The wiki seems to say so, but the official site says nothing...

Apparently it came with a bonus sticker. I do not know the details.

Many people seem to dislike the strained singing style, but as someone who loves “Flying,” I do not mind it at all. If anything, I like it. That does not mean I dislike falsetto; I like “Holding...” too. I have become used to the post-third-album sound, so listening to the first album and indie-era work again after a long time feels especially fresh.

What position did the album get on the weekly chart?

ASCII art of a character exclaiming “Hi~! Bamboo-copter!” followed by a comic sound effect.

>>614 Was it GLAY, not Himuro?

ASCII art and the line: “If it were Pocky, it would definitely do something for us.”

>>920 What is GLAY? A new adult-video actress?

Kobukuro won. Thanks, everyone.

Of course they could not beat 300,000.

>>923 That was obvious, lol.

>>923 What is Kobukuro? A new adult-video actress?

Good morning. Today is MFM distribution day.

I watched GyaO, and Mochi, you really can do it. I wish he would give a performance like the one after Yurippe left during the MÄR segment every time.

I do not really understand the lyrics of “Kakurenbo.” It sounds as if the singer is deliberately being mean. Could someone with good interpretive skills explain it?

I still cannot accept *Premium Live*. If they invited fans who had supported them all along, I could understand, but it feels strange that the free invitations went mostly to people who only became fans recently.

Still, I do not think it is good to keep saying that. They probably wanted to add a DVD to the album and make limited and regular editions, lol. Otherwise they would not have streamed the whole thing on GyaO. Could the bonus DVD be promotional material for a future standalone DVD release?!

>>929 Ultimately, is it not just “the person who was waiting never came back”? But the idea that she is being deliberately mean is not wrong either.

She feels like a difficult person. Everyone is playing hide-and-seek, believing that their wish will come true if they are not found by the end. But because she is “it,” she does not look for anyone, locks the shrine grounds, goes home, and says, “Go on being afraid of the owl’s cry,” lol. How frightening.

Can the first-week sales exceed 30,000...?

It will definitely reach 30,000, lol. If a two-version release cannot reach 30,000, that would be a huge flop.

Oh, what? Was it bait? orz. By the way, am I the only one who thinks the original track order was better on this album?

Reposts the earlier joke about “Maboroshi” having just been killed and the poster fleeing, followed by “As long as he keeps quiet, it is fine.”

Fourth place, 36,000 copies.

>>932 >>933 I think I understand now! The lover she drove away never returned, so she became difficult!!! (ﾟ∀ﾟ)

Nothing but idiot-like replies...

Nothing but hippopotamus-like posts...

So >>938 was true... Failing to surpass the previous release despite two versions is an awful flop.

I said in >>935 that under 30,000 would be a huge flop, but failing to beat the previous release still hurts.

Wow... I am an idiot, lol. The comparison should have been with the previous release’s cumulative sales. Please elegantly ignore me. 11. *I’m waiting 4 you* — GARNET CROW, 2004/12/8, GIZA, 35,917 copies. Even so, this is only a 1,000-copy improvement. If the figure were 36,100, it would amount to only a 200-copy improvement.

I came home early because of exams. Haaah, I am exhausted. I only slept two hours. Could they release *Premium Live* on DVD instead of broadband streaming?

It is time-limited on GyaO and included as a bonus. If it is promotional material for a future DVD release... that would be good.

Is the third album really a bad album? “Marionette” is still near the top of my list.

>>929 Someone recently said the lyrics were written from the perspective of a bullied child. That interpretation fits, so I understand it as a kind of revenge. The line “because I am it” also sounds self-mocking.

Both the singles and albums have been remarkably stable lately. In a sense, that is impressive...

Tokyo-show tickets go on sale November 18, right? If I call the place called H.I.P. and get through, can I buy tickets? Do Gane shows sell out on the day every time? Can I get one...? I am worried. ((sweat))

Do not bump the thread. Newcomers should lurk for six months. That is basic.

And they let a newcomer take >>950... >>950 Can you start the next thread?

>>936 Same here. Listening in the original order makes me think this version may be better.

(＾ω＾) I am going home now.

When I first heard this band, honestly I only noticed the distinctive low end. I did not think much of the songs themselves, so I did not like them very much. After several listens, that low end became comfortable, and I noticed the extensive use of falsetto. Most importantly, the lyrics carry a melancholy and sorrow that sink into the heart. I have finally realized what makes this band special. Even in today’s music scene, I think they are an unusual band that clearly stands apart from others.

>>944 It might be lower than the previous release. Even 35,500 would be rounded to 36,000, lol. But single sales have fallen more sharply than the previous release, so with only one edition it surely would have fallen below 30,000. The multiple editions seem to have barely saved it. I never thought it would greatly surpass the previous release in the first place.

What is falsetto?

I checked the regular edition’s position on the Bunkyodo rankings, and it is doing terribly. Even with only one edition, I think it would not have fallen below 30,000.

>>950 Bait? Putting that aside, please start the next thread.

Congratulations on fourth place.

>>939 No, I interpret it more as a song in which a bad woman looks spitefully at the man who kept waiting after his lover left, saying, “I will come back later.” Am I overinterpreting it?

Put simply, falsetto means a head voice.

>>956 Ah... that is possible too, lol. That would be the worst.

>>950 does not look like someone who will start the next thread, so please have >>970 do it instead.

“I am still standing here, starting from this point~♪ haaah~♪ Rusty Rail♪ clang-clang... T-ee, ah-n, mooo~”

>>965 I said this before too, but that part really kills the mood.

The guitar afterglow at the end does have a dark feeling, and I can understand transitioning from there into “tee-ah-moh.” But the overall flow from “Rusty Rail” into “Yume Hanabi” is terrible.

>>962 Strictly speaking, falsetto and head voice are not the same... But those fine distinctions do not matter here.

GIZA only needs one fake-Latin act, Kitahara. Speaking of Kitahara, I heard an ending theme for *MÄR* included a song credited as her own composition. It was arranged by Hiroto Furui too. I have had enough Latin style.

・Falsetto http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BB%E3%83%83%E3%83%88 ・Head voice http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A3%8F%E5%A3%B0

>>970 Start the next thread.

The first-week sales for Aina’s fifth album were 28,774 copies.

We have two editions, so it is not a fair comparison. >>971 You said it yourself and then landed on the number. Now you cannot start the next thread. Sorry. >>975, please do it.

It has fallen to ninth on the daily chart ↓

Now that the weekly chart has been announced, I have completely lost interest in the daily chart, lol.

Sorry. I tried to start the next thread too, but could not. >>980, please do it.

There are no powerful new releases this week, so a second consecutive week in the top ten is not impossible.

GARNET’s drop is abnormal, though, so it is hard to say.

I am not >>980, but I started it. ★ GARNET CROW part.160 ★ http://music5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicjg/1160475671/l50

>>979 I appreciate you starting it, but are you another newcomer...? The thread after next should be titled GARNET CROW part.161.

Oops. I did not follow the thread’s procedure. Sorry. Next person who starts one, please take care of it.

It is fine. The time to start the next thread will probably come in less than a week anyway.

The atmosphere became rather warm around >>970. >>973 You made me laugh for some reason.

Is falsetto basically raising the voice upward? The wiki at >>970 says it is common during the voice-change period.

All right, 3 byML0.

ASCII art saying: “Hey, hello, I am Sho Uesugi.”

They will mention it again on *Mezamashi* tomorrow, right? “GARNET CROW, introduced in last week’s feature, entered the chart at number four!” If they are lucky, the PV might flash by too.

Since they already interviewed them for *Mezamashi*, if the intention was to promote them there, releasing the album tomorrow and getting a slightly higher ranking would attract more attention. That would also be better for *Mezamashi*, would it not?

Maybe they will appear as guests on *Mezamashi* someday and sing a few lines. Then everyone would start school and work depressed first thing in the morning.

There are no depression-inducing songs on this album, though.

Seriously, is “Anywhere” not a very depressing song? The line about “a life that never stops wherever you go” is really...

Morning shows would not choose a depressing song in the first place. That is the fundamental point I have to object to.

>>961 Hearing it that way, I can see it too, lol. As expected of Nana, she lets you see all kinds of things. (´ー`)

The suicide rate will increase.

No, there are still several fairly depressing songs... Am I overinterpreting them?

1000.

The phrase “More training!” is repeated dozens of times as spam.

Bury the thread~

...Even if they performed a depressing song, it would not be chosen for that show, lol. If they performed one, it would probably be something like “Haru Matsu Hana no You ni.” Realistically, it would be a single, perhaps “Maboroshi ~Album arr.~.”

If I claim post 1,000, GARNET CROW disbands.

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