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This is a thread for chatting mainly about GARNET CROW. Let's talk about all sorts of things, broadly and enjoyably. ◆ Please keep it chill. A hostile atmosphere is (・A・)NOT GOOD. ◆ No trolling, attacking named users, etc.—just ignore them. ◆ Newbies, old-timers, and named users are all welcome. ◆ Don't bother or attack other artists or threads. ◆ Finally... There will still be "lovely music" in this world. Previous thread: 【由利】GARNET CROW part12【七】 http://mamono.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1220156951/

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Artists and albums I'd recommend to GARNET fans. (This list was made through discussion among the thread regulars. Naturally, everyone has different tastes, so please understand that.) PAATOS / Kallocain Chihiro Onitsuka / Insomnia hyde / ROENTGEN the brilliant green / the brilliant green Pain Of Salvation / The Perfect Element Part �T GRAPEVINE / From a small town ACIDMAN / equal Nick Drake / Pink Moon Sean North / Story Neverend Jun Shibata / ひとり Do As Infinity / BREAK OF DOWN rumania montevideo / rumaniamania the cranberries / everybody else is doing it, so why can't we? Spitz / ハチミツ Anri Kumaki / 殺風景 Ringo Sheena / 無罪モラトリアム Radiohead / OK Computer THE BACK HORN / 人間プログラム Cloudberry Jam / 雰囲気づくり Bjork / Vespertine Evanescence / Fallen The Cardigans / Gran Turismo new! OLIVIA / The Lost Lolli new! Corrections, additions, and all sorts of opinions are welcome. Let's keep expanding it through discussion with the thread regulars.

Good work.

>1 If you stretch this otsu out...

>1 Kimi Otsure-saru Toki no Otozure o~♪

>1 Otsuve is a bird.

>1 Otsu no Maboroshi.

>1 Mou Ichido Waratte Otsu.

Come to think of it, they're almost at their 10th anniversary since forming. When that happens, rather than live merch or events, I'm pointlessly hoping we'll get a second poetry collection from Nana and some new audio from Mochi.

I'd cry tears of joy if Nana-sama released a poetry collection. Maybe 160.0?

>11 Would it start at 81? If it started from 1 again, it'd be a ridiculous amount of material.

>11 That seems more likely than new audio from Mochi lol It'd be better for them too, rather than recording at home one instrument at a time—guitar, bass, drums, keyboards, vocals—and then having it not sellllll (though the fact that he'd be struggling with home recording means the hope of sales was low from the start lol). They could put it out pretty casually, so it'd just be a matter of consulting Nana's sensibilities.

I want Nana-san's poetry collection so badly I could reach out of my throat for it. Nana-san's sensibility is unquestionably god-tier. I'd also love to hear a cover album from Yurippe, whether it's Western or Japanese music. And I'd like an instrumental album from the old guy too.

A cover album from Yurippe, huh~ An instrumental album from the old guy would be good too. It'd be nice if they each had something to show off in their own fields, since this is supposed to be an anniversary and all. And setting attendance aside, how about the Nippon Budokan?

>13 Home-recorded stuff can sell too. There are plenty of professional home-recording artists, like Yasutaka Nakata. In Mochi's case, since he'd be handling all the vocals and instruments himself, it'd be completely his own responsibility if it didn't sell. Still, it'd be kind of sad for Mochi after all the time and effort he put in lol

>16 Haruomi Hosono does that too. And Perfume, produced by Yasutaka Nakata, has been making it onto the charts nicely. Now that you mention it, you're right.

I want to hear that song where you can't tell where the chorus is already (´･ω･｀) What kind of song is it...

>16 I think he said he makes his own songs as a break from writing songs for other people.

If Mochi had trained as a vocalist from the beginning and debuted as a singer, I feel like the general public would probably see him as a better singer than Yurippe. Mochi has a pretty handsome-sounding voice. >18 The live commentary was almost entirely saying stuff like that, so poor him lol

Even though Yurippe trained her voice before debuting, she was occasionally treated as a bad singer. Is that really because of her distinctive voice?

>21 She had trouble hitting high notes live in the old days, so they lowered the key by a semitone. People who didn't know the circumstances sometimes mistook that for her singing off-key.

>21 Her pitch was shaky too, and she often ran out of stamina. Still, no matter how much better she gets from here on out, that distinctive voice will probably make it hard for people to think of her as a technically good singer.

By the way, is the new song a calm-feeling ballad?

It's a beautiful song, right?

It was only around Ninnaji that she finally reached an average level, right?

As a professional singer, I mean. Even singers as good as Utada sometimes go off-key or lose control of their falsetto live. I think that level is pretty good, considering how difficult the songs are.

It was chosen as the theme song for ABC Broadcasting's "Family Lesson" (scheduled to air in March 2009)! What a crappy tie-in lol It's only airing in Kansai lol They could make perfectly normal songs if they didn't overthink it, so this is just pathetic.

GARNET's treatment is way too awful lol But I love them like this anyway ///

Is that the song people were talking about where you can't tell where the chorus is? It sounds like a calm ballad, but can they really cut it as a single?

Nana said she absolutely loves it, so I'm curious just how good it is. Apparently she thought the whole song was the chorus.

Honestly, Nana probably likes every song Yurippe composes. Maybe it'll have a country feel like "CANDY POP"? The arrangement sounds like it'll make good use of programmed percussion and acoustic guitar.

Nana-san said she praises anything Yurippe writes, after all lol

I mean, Nana is hopelessly in love with Yurippe herself anyway lol

It's not really a matter of praising it—of course she does, since they're all good songs lol But there's no doubt Nana absolutely loves Yurippe lol

"Nora" feels pretty good, nora. It's soothing... and has a nostalgic feel.

Still, over these nearly ten years, Nana must have had a particular kind of GARNET music she likes. But she seems to think change is the norm and staying the same is what's strange, so I don't think she'll be making many comments based on her personal preferences from here on out.

This song is going on the next release too, right? I wonder if they'll keep adding more country-style songs and end up with a sound that returns to the early days, or something like that. It would also commemorate the seventh album.

If so, I really hope they don't put "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" on the seventh lol Or they should remake it with a simple acoustic arrangement.

"Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" would lose all its impact with an acoustic arrangement. If you reduce the number of instruments, that chorus would stick out. Though I don't want them to include it either. Since I bought it, I really haven't listened to it.

I just can't stand the arrangement of "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku." It'll definitely stick out on the album. I don't know what changing the arrangement would do, but I want them to change it anyway.

Why is "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" getting such bad reviews?

× "nona" ○ "nano"

It's a tie-in for Nana's favorite "Fist of the North Star," but the song is pretty underwhelming lol They won't remove the song, so let's hope the old guy's arrangement saves it.

Is it the song itself that's getting bad reviews?

It feels wrong from the intro onward.

I guess they mean the song is boring, kind of generic. People said the same thing about "Kono Te o~."

It's not the kind of addictive song you end up listening to over and over. But people seem to like the new song "Nora," so I feel a little relieved.

>46 The intro arrangement of "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" feels like it's loudly announcing, "Yes, these are synthesizer sounds. So what?" It sticks out. As for "Nora," is that first sound a Mellotron string or an oboe? I love the "Wasurezaki" and "Yume Mita" era, so this is absolutely my thing.

I think the lyrics to "Kono Te o~" are phoned in too, sorry. I'm tired of that arrangement trick with the drums rolling across the toms and the kick drum going boom-boom-boom. They did the same thing in "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku," and I can't take it anymore. Don't arbitrarily beef up the rhythm section with programmed drums. It's annoying. They've also layered the strings heavily, but they're not real, are they? They're synth strings, right? The kind of sound in "Wasurezaki" is something only a synthesizer can make, which gives it personality, so that's fine.

Maybe they made "Kono Te o~" with graduation season in mind, so the lyrics ended up more straightforward.

I don't think we can really say whether it was phoned in, since that's Nana's sensibility. Maybe "Kono Te o~" just didn't really click with Nana when she heard the song?

Saying straightforward lyrics equal laziness is pretty simplistic lol Apparently they were also saying goodbye to staff they'd worked with for many years around that time. Maybe she wanted to write lyrics with a stronger message for once. Though I don't really click with "Kono Te o~" either.

"Nora" is pretty good. It feels like it has no weak spots. And now that I think about it, the lyrics to "lost child" are really excellent. Nana's surreal expressions are irresistible. They're not unpleasant, either—they have this way of pushing you forward.

>54 They're great lyrics, right? They suit Mochi's voice too. I like how they seem ordinary but are slightly off-kilter. You can really tell Nana wrote them to fit Mochi's melody.

"Soba ni Iru yo" and "Pop Song," "Even This City Looks Beautiful in Photos" (I think?) They look kind of prose-like, but I like the way she slips in mumbled, slightly sarcastic phrases lol When the critical attitude is too obvious, this kind of thing starts to feel pretentious. Mochi's voice is light and smooth too, without much of an idiosyncrasy, so it works really well with these muttered lyrics. You're missing out if you don't listen to this.

Since "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" is getting so much hate, here's my personal top seven (Nana) among the works since "Atsumeru HEAVEN." Singles only: 1. "Maboroshi" 2. "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" 3. "Kaze to RAINBOW" 4. "Rai Rai Ya" 5. "Namida no Yesterday" 6. "Yume no Hitotsu" 7. "Koyoi Eden no Katasumi de" Including non-singles: 1. "Kakurenbo" 2. "Maboroshi" 3. "Tatoeba 12-gatsu no Yoru ni" 4. "The first cry" 5. "WEEKEND" 6. "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" 7. "Ushinawareta Monogatari" That's all for this pointless postscript.

>49 The intro has something like synth strings imitating an oboe, close to the sound in "Wasurezaki." That fresh but slightly wistful atmosphere can't be produced with real instruments. Don't Mellotron strings sound more like an organ? I don't really know. That's what I've been waiting for. I don't need anything grandiose anymore. I agree with whoever said it's hard to tell where the chorus is lol, but I think it'll grow on me.

I've gotten to the point where I only listen to the B-sides of "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku." I don't listen to "Kono Te o~" at all. In a ballad like that, the cheapness of the programmed strings really gets exposed.

The B-sides are just too strong, so the title tracks tend to look weak by comparison... I skip "Hyaku-nen" and "Kono Te o~" too, and mostly listen to "Secret Path" and "Mawarimichi." "Mawarimichi" especially is so intense from the intro that it makes my brain juices flow lol

I like the laid-back flow here better than the main thread.

Looking at Nora's lyrics, they're pretty straightforward. Maybe she just put them together simply to fit the melody. >59 If they'd used real strings, it would've just been some overblown ballad. It's having to struggle along with synths right on that edge that gives it its individuality.

Nora might be the best single they've put out lately. Though it also feels like the kind of song they'd put on an album. Anyway, it feels like we finally got a real killer track again after a while.

>59 Same as me until pretty recently lol I used to hate this kind of song. Lately I've finally been able to listen to it, though.

This kind of song has vanished from my personal universe too.

I like this kind of song myself. The lyrics are impressive for not using direct words like cherry blossoms or graduation. The understated tune also suits the season of spring.

If it were a fake plant/sockpuppet kind of sakura, Nana would probably use it lol

I like the intro and the guitar after the chorus in this one. I'm pretty fond of the lyrics too.

Yuyake Koyake, Scorpio, dragonflies... What they make me picture is actually autumn, though...

Actually, I can feel all four seasons in it lol The poplar is spring, Scorpio is summer, dragonflies are autumn, and the scarf is winter.

They must've been together the whole time.

The B section and chorus might be a little hard to tell apart ( ・∀・)y─┛~~ No wonder Azuki couldn't tell either. Though it finally starts to stand out when the key changes at the end, I like how that steady, understated progression creates such a lonely, bittersweet atmosphere. The falsetto is nice and flowing too.

>70 Scorpio: summer, agreed. Is the poplar really spring?

Poplars bloom in spring, you know.

I bought all the DVDs on Amazon the other day. Are any songs or MC segments cut out?

"Kyou no Kimi (Hoshi) wa Tooi..." Is that taking it too far?

>76 That sounds like some kind of suspect lol Well, that probably is what it means. You can never predict Nana's ruby readings.

Replacing "sora" with "uchuu" or "chuu" has already been discussed to death, hasn't it?

>72 It doesn't really feel like a single, huh. There's something a little dangerous about it. Not that I don't like it. They said she's singing it in an understated way, but I feel like Yurippe's expressiveness has gotten richer than before. She really brought in the falsetto at just the right parts.

>77 "Suspect" had me dying lol My guess is: "The One Destined for Me (Someone Wonderful)"

Are you guessing the ruby reading? "I'm leaving this mortal world (here)."

I don't think they'll get too fancy this time. If anything, there'll probably be a lot more hiragana.

I can't understand the lyrics to "Cried a little" at all. At this point, the only way to deal with them is by feel. Anyone have their own interpretation?

>81 Don't kill her lol

AZUKI, the hundred-man slayer.

Yurippe of a hundred consecutive spirals.

The new A-side has an English title, huh. I think it's the first time since "Timeless Sleep," but personally that pattern has never let me down, so I'm looking forward to it for the first time in a while lol

>87 Maybe her voice will go back to the early days too... yeah, no way. Wouldn't it be nice if one day they said they were returning to their roots and she went back to that early Yurippe voice? ...Yeah, no way, huh.

I think you might as well just listen to the early albums.

Watching the Ninnaji DVD got me thinking: isn't Yurippe herself pretty conscious of her old voice and singing style?

I'll bump this.

It's about time they released a band score, isn't it? (´・ω・)

>92 Mochi said on the radio that releasing a band score would be difficult. (´・ω・)

Apparently, if everything were transcribed, it'd be as thick as a phone book. Furui is trying way too hard lol No wonder he's wasting away.

Then would making Mochi do it make him lose weight? lol

>93-94 Seriouslyyyyy, for real? orz

There's no way to reproduce the programmed parts even if they were written out, so I just want them to release the guitar, bass, drums, keyboard, and rough synth parts. I only want to play in a cover band; it's not like I need to know the exact score.

>95 Mochi couldn't do it. He's not the God Hand, after all.

>97 If they did such a half-assed job, Yurippe would probably get mad. >98 Huh? Is Mochi useless after all? (ry

I'm actually in a cover band, and finding members is more difficult than the fact that there's no score. There seem to be plenty of people who want to sing, but instrumentalists who are hardcore enough to say, "I only want to cover Gane!" are desperately scarce.

I still had the postcard from when I bought TowaBare, so I wrote in the last request box or whatever, "Please release a band score." I'll send it in later. Well, it probably won't be taken into account anyway! OTL

>100 I mean, Gane itself doesn't really feel like a band. There are more programmed sounds than live instruments.

◆Spitz Spring Simultaneous Listening Live Commentary◆ http://live24.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/livevenus/1237542036/ I've always wanted to do something like this for GARNET CROW someday...

>103 Let's post it in the main thread too and make it happen.

>104 I'll go post it.

I vaguely remember some Gane thread doing a simultaneous DVD-watch live commentary thing... There's nothing happening until 5/20, so this might be perfect.

Everyone probably checks the main thread too, but just in case, here's the link. http://namidame.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/liveuranus/1214717659/

Ponyo Ponyo Ponyo Ponyo, a little girl! (´・ω・)〆

Whoa... I got it wrong, and accidentally posted it with my trip attached. That's so embarrassing. I'm never coming back.

>108 I read that as "this winter's whiteness" all the way to "a song that stays in your heart."

>110 It has that scratch sound in it too, maybe? The arrangement takes some risks, so it really sticks with you.

>109 Well, since you came all this way, watch this before you go. ttp://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6305323

Do you think they'll ever make a masterpiece that surpasses "Yume Mita Ato de"?

This is just my personal opinion, but I think the problem with Gane lately is that you can understand the lyrics too clearly.

>113 If you're only comparing the songs themselves, there are already songs better than "Yume Mita Ato de," and I think more will come along. But when you take the background of the song and everything into account, I don't think anything will become a greater masterpiece than "Yume Mita Ato de"... That's how I see it.

>115 You mean a song that appeals to everyone, I guess.

>113 Personally, I think they've already made some. If I can choose from every song released after "Yume Mita~," these four: "Kyou no Kimi to Ashita o Matsu," "Kimi o Kazaru Hana o Sakasou," "Kimi Tsuresaru Toki no Otozure o," and "Maboroshi."

It's not just because it appeals to everyone... Hmm, how do I put it... Yuri has said it's the song she cares about most, too, so I think it's a special song for GARNET CROW.

>118 I think I kind of get it. It gives off this overwhelming feeling of, "We poured our hearts into this and worked our asses off to make it." (Not that I'm saying the others were made half-assedly.) Like it has this aura that makes you vaguely think, "Damn, this is amazing"... I can't explain it very well (sweat) Anyway, there's just one thing I want to say. Sorry, I personally don't like this song that much n(etc.)

>119 I was glad someone saw it the same way, and then came that last sentence lol Well, everyone has different tastes in music. I like "Yume Mita Ato de" myself.

I do think "Yume Mita Ato de" is a good ballad. But it doesn't really feel like the number-one masterpiece or anything.

"Yume Mita Ato de" was a song Yurippe wrote when she was a student, then kept warm for years before finally releasing it. And when the song became a hit, it brought in more fans and made TV appearances, live shows, and a fan club possible. So it must be a really huge song for Yurippe.

It kind of isn't about liking or disliking it, or whether it's a good song anymore... "Yume Mita" just feels like a uniquely special song. I'm a little curious how newer fans see this song.

"Yume Mita Ato de" really is a special song, huh. When I make my own best-of album, even if it's not a favorite, I feel like I have to include it.

This just occurred to me: how about trying an event like the one in >103 with about three CDs tomorrow or the day after? We can reuse the thread in >107.

>125 Sounds fun, I'd like to do it. But if we're going to, we should announce it a few days ahead, so tomorrow's probably out. Saturday or Sunday night might be good.

>125 If we're doing it, we need someone with the initiative to make an announcement like this, get the thread residents' consensus on it, watch out for spamming multiple threads, and go paste it all over the related threads, or it won't come together and we'll never do it... Saturday, April 4 — happening rain or shine Starting at 20:00 Schedule: 20:00 — 1st AL 21:00 — 2nd AL 22:00 — 3rd AL We'll be doing a live CD commentary at: http://namidame.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/liveuranus/1214717659/ Come join us, and bring your friends!

I'm going to use the part >125 made and post this to the related threads. How about this? Saturday, April 4 — happening rain or shine Starting at 20:00 Schedule: 20:00 — 1st AL 21:00 — 2nd AL 22:00 — 3rd AL We'll be doing a live CD commentary at: http://namidame.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/liveuranus/1214717659/ Come join us, and bring your friends! ----Rules------------------ ・Everyone presses play at the same time using their music players or whatever, then we all comment live on the albums and have fun. ・Joining late or leaving early is fine. ・This is not an internet radio broadcast.

>128 What an embarrassing anchor mistake... (;´Д`) I meant the part >127 made. Sorry, ｽﾏﾝorz Anyway, I think I've posted it to all the relevant places now.

>129 You forgot the Okamoto thread! I'll go post it now.

>130 I forgot (sweat)�d!

I know I'm late, but I bought the "Koyoi Eden no Katasumi de" single, since I was after the coupling tracks. Both songs are great (*´Д｀*)

>132 Nonsense-sensei! Nonsense-sensei!

Nonsense is great, rightー! I love the part that goes, "The sky seen from this room's window is only inside a square frame."

／ダン＼　　／ダン＼

I like "Ushinawareta Monogatari" more than "nonsense."

As far as coupling pairings go, I like the two songs on "Rai Rai Ya." Though "Kimi o Kazaru Hana o Sakasou" is hard to leave out too.

I mentioned this in the main thread too, but today is the final episode of Passpara. And it's Gane's ninth anniversary! Let's all send in messages!

Are there any things to watch out for when sending it by email? Should I put my radio name in the body...?

In the end, I never got around to sending it lol They did a GT Special before, so maybe someday there'll be a Passpara Special too...? lol

The main thread is kind of exhausting, isn't it? (´∀｀)

Looks like Yurippe reads the staff blog too. It makes me kind of happy to think she's looking at the same things I am (*´ω`*) Well, AZUKI probably doesn't read it though lol

It doesn't say that Yurippe is reading it, does it? Osaan and Mochi definitely seem to be reading it, though.

It doesn't say so, but you want to believe Yuri is reading it too, don't you? lol But are they never going to upload photos of the women?

Don't get so impatient (＾ω＾)

CDs, DVDs, radio... They've been stringing us along over all this stuff, and you're still telling us to wait? lol

Staff... You went and took a picture of Yurippe, but you're not uploading it? (^ω^#)ﾋﾞｷﾋﾞｷ

>147 Unlike the guys, photos of Yurippe can't be released without approval from the GIZA executive board. Don't make things difficult for the staff.

When you think about it, someone as important as Yuri can't just be shown around so casually, right? (´･ω･`)

Nana-sama, who shows herself even less than Yurippe (^ω^) I got worried whether she was even still alive and joined the fan club. Now I can confirm Nana-sama is alive, okay!

Looking forward to the live listening party!

2nd finished. 3rd starts at 22:00.

"Doing all right" is pretty upbeat. The atmosphere doesn't seem to have changed much from the 6th album. Everyone seems to feel a little weird about that, but for me the real issue is that there are seriously more and more recycled phrases.

I couldn't post in the live thread yesterday because of the restrictions. I hope we can do another one around the 4th album or so. Also, yesterday's two-minute bathroom break was way too brutal lol

>154 You had a cellphone, didn't you? The live thread doesn't identify you by ID anyway. Were you using Yahoo? Nice work.

>153 "Nora," the coupling track, is good though. But coupling tracks being good is business as usual for them.

Personally, "Doing all right" is kind of meh at this point. I'm sure I'll come to like it after hearing it a bunch of times, though. But does GARNET CROW consciously make songs that everyone can have fun with live? Personally, I want to hear something like "Tsumetai Kage"...

I don't want them putting any singles on the 7th album... They can put the singles on the second best-of, which will probably come out for the 10th anniversary.

I want them to keep up that more distant, aloof image—putting it a little dramatically, I want them to stay committed to being lone artists. Ever since the dance in "Mr. Holiday," I've had my doubts about the whole image. Having the fans at the sacred site wave glow sticks and giving them that live-show feeling isn't necessarily bad, though.

>159 They did become a friendly, kind of goofy lol group once they started doing live shows. Other than Mochi, they don't really expose much of their personal lives or private affairs. But Nana-sama still has that mysterious artist quality that even the fans can't quite figure out, so we're fine lol

>159 Completely agree. The dance itself in "Mr. Holiday" is cute, but something about it feels off, doesn't it? lol I also love GARNET CROW when they're not gloomy lol

I feel like it's a brutal world where they couldn't survive if all they made were dark songs.

They're not like Onitsuka or Cocco, with a style of blurting out their own feelings wherever and whenever. They're a division-of-labor unit that isn't inherently gloomy or anything, so I don't think their musical style will change because they hit some turning point, got over depression and became cheerful, or learned to feel more at ease mentally. That's why I still can't give up hope that they'll land one huge shot somewhere again.

If there's a tie-in, they have to make the song to order, don't they?

"Kimi no Omoi Egaita Yume Atsumeru HEAVEN," I guess.

>165 That title was less about taking orders and more about Nana-sama getting way too absorbed in MÄR Heaven, I'd say.

When it came to "adult circumstances," she did say something like it went in a direction completely different from what she'd imagined. I can't say for sure that was "Kimi no Omoi Egaita Yume Atsumeru HEAVEN," but it seems pretty likely.

I think "Natsu no Maboroshi" was like that. Apparently she wrote it while being surrounded by staff telling her this and that.

I wanna hear the full-chorus version of the TV Edit of "Kaze to RAINBOW"(´ω｀)

Gane used to change its style every time, and that was the interesting part, for better or worse. But it looks like the 7th album is going to be a continuation of the 6th, and here I am passing through, terrified.

>170 Take this opportunity to graduate from Gane. You won't have much of a life if you listen to a band like this.

>171 But the fact that you know an abbreviation like Gane makes it seem like you don't really mean that.

Was Gane a band?

A creative collective.

Hitoshi Okamoto with AZUKI Nana + the God Hand and so on.

If AZUKI Nana became the vocalist, it'd definitely be a million-selling hit.

A voice like a schoolteacher's.

>174 A creative collective + the guitar guy.

The guitar guy: "Before we started doing live shows, I thought we were a unit, but I realized we're a band after all."

The support members Ohashi and Oga are the ones bringing out the band's groove, while the guitarist in the actual band just does understated backing and feels more like a support player. It's a pretty hilarious setup no matter when you look at it.

The way they treated Mochi at the ZARD memorial live made me cry. There were three electric guitarists, and Oga and Shion were getting blasted by spotlights during their solos, but Hitoshi...

If they synced up a recording of the part Oga played beforehand and played it at the live without Oga, Mochi might stand out a little more lol

The new song, multiple jackets, and a Conan tie-in are all business as usual, but having an acoustic version of the title track and an orchestral version of the second coupling track on the third track is a fresh idea. If they're going to put strings into the arrangements of coupling tracks like that, they could throw a little into their usual ballads too lol

The strings are Ikeda Strings, obviously, right? I guess they can't keep booking them that often.

Aaaaaah, I can't figure out the song by ear orz

Sorry to derail the thread, but I want the belt-like choker Nana wore at the Ninnaji live. Does anyone have any information on it?

>183 Honestly, I want to hear an acoustic version of Nora. I don't think strings would give it some huge swell like that. The song is good precisely because of that understated, slightly weird atmosphere.

>186 That was a piece of restraint gear made by a female designer. Apparently it's not for sale, so try looking for something similar. "pastime pardise" has been uploaded to Nico Nico Douga, so you can probably figure it out by listening to the episode AZUKI appears in.

>188 So it's not for sale... What a shame (´・ω・｀) I'll check out Nico Nico. Thanks.

This thread used to talk about Western music quite a bit too. Anyone here listen to Anathema or bands like that?

I feel like they were a pretty big topic here before. They're a gothic metal band, right? Some people call them prog too. They changed their musical style partway through, so there are probably people who like them. As a fan, that nicely melancholic atmosphere is great.

GIZA sure is taking a long time between unveiling Nora and releasing it.

It's free and carefree like a stray cat. It feels that way even now, but I bet I'll end up listening mostly to Nora rather than the new song. The title tracks around this period never really suit my taste no matter how many times I listen. Though I guess it's too early to make that call.

I actually like "Doing all right" better. After listening to it over and over, I got totally hooked. I like it because it feels kind of like "Kanata Made Hikari o" or "Sky Blue."

Sorry to derail the thread, but doesn't the part right before the chorus in "Sky" sound similar to the part right before the chorus in "Timeless Sleep"? Is bringing this up only now completely old news? I'm a recent convert, so I don't really know.

Hmm, I don't really hear it. But the string arrangements in both are excellent. The strings in the early version of "Sky" have this dark, gloomy feeling of gradually closing in over you, which I love. They have character even though they're not live.

Am I the only one who thinks the latter half of the chorus in "Kaze to Rainbow" sounds like part of a Lupin III song? It really is only a little bit. Sorry if this has already been brought up.

Something like lo~ve, what else could it be~ Taratata~ ta tarararara~ (Lupin Lupin Lupin zawa—)

Yep, that was already brought up, unfortunately.

I forgot to check it on Conan today. Whenever a show's time slot changes, I can't seem to keep up. Moya-sama got moved too.

I was trying to watch Conan yesterday too...

>185 It's seriously hard, huh? There are just way too many sounds in it lol Personally, the relatively easy ones are probably "Cried a little" and "Ushinawareta Monogatari."

They're not going to show the members on the DVD jacket? (´・ω・)

>203 I thought the same thing...

The staff blog got updated.

GARNET CROW Lyrics Analysis Thread http://anchorage.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1237879146/

Σ(ﾟдﾟ) † AZUKI Nana's World of Lyrics 3 † http://love6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/poem/1192025158/

The lyrics thread was merged into this one ages ago. Besides, isn't it more worthwhile to get as many interpretations of the lyrics as possible? This thread is probably the second-most bookmarked one after the main thread, too.

>208 But there aren't many people talking about lyrics lately, are there? It's not mentioned in the template either, so I think it would be better to do it in a dedicated thread.

Back when there was a lyrics thread, this place was dead, yet people kept getting snippy about doing lyric analysis in another thread, and it made things weirdly tense. Honestly, we didn't need a lyrics thread. The other one is dead as hell too. >209 It doesn't say we're not allowed to do it here. And it's not just the people talking about lyrics who have disappeared lately. There's simply not much to talk about before a new release, so it can't be helped.

I personally like this place. Yesterday I ran into a woman I'd broken up with cleanly—or so I thought—and promised I'd meet again someday. It was our first time seeing each other in four years. I thought nothing had changed, myself included, but there was an incredible sense of something being off. I took it as an exaggerated interpretation of what Nana was talking about. And on that lonely midnight, what I remembered was, as always, the days when I was loved...

"YELLOW MOON" might be exactly it.

>211 So you thought you were still in love with her, but it was really only the memories you loved, huh. If you hadn't met again, maybe you could've kept thinking of her forever, like in "Wasurezaki." I never liked songs about love and romance, but Nana's lyrics are the exception. She sees through the deception of words. Nana's lyrics are closer to real poetry. In other words, Nana rules.

I've already had Nana's philosophy seep into me. But part of me still can't just accept everything, so I tend to end up in pretty painful situations. Does everyone else just enjoy the works purely as works of art?

"Doing all right" is a good song, though.

>214 If the choice is between enjoying it purely for fun and taking a step back with a critical mindset, I'd say I'm doing both. But I'm only in my first year as a fan, so I have more to learn than anything. I want to be able to see more of the color in Nana's lyrics. That's about how I feel. Your values really do change. I used to like punk bands, but now I listen to opera and lieder; I used to like existentialist writers, but now I read fantasy. Nana syndrome orz

>214 I feel like Nana is presenting us with material to think about. Maybe there aren't any conclusions, but it gives you a chance to think about things you never would have otherwise.

I'll bump this once in a while. This is incredibly belated, sorry, but I couldn't find the word "knavish" from the lyrics of "Nogareru no Machi" in an English dictionary... Could it not be English?

Sorry, figured it out myself. (；´Д｀) One Google search and there it was...

What do you think of "Doing all right"?

>220 It's not bad, but it feels pretty ordinary and doesn't really have the Gane signature.

>220 The drums playing in the background have a weirdly addictive quality... (´Д`)♪ Personally, this single is a yes for me ◎

>220 I like how refreshing it feels. But repeating "Doing all right~" so many times at the end felt a little tiresome.

They probably had the live shows in mind for the ending. I thought there were a few too many repetitions too.

>224 Like "Spiral"? Cosmic fried rice~♪

Should we do another listening party? "Are You Ready To Lock On?! livescope at the JCB Hall" Right after it comes out. Maybe people who haven't bought it yet could read the posts and be persuaded to get it.

>226 If it's too soon, not many people will have it and we might not get enough people together. If we're doing it, I think around May 30 or June 6 would be good.

>227 Even May 30 is pretty soon timing-wise. Now it just depends on how many people are on board.

>228 By the 30th it'll have been out for a week, and people buying it on Amazon will probably be watching this thread too, right?

I'm looking forward to the live DVD commentary~ (＾ω^)

Don't people feel satisfied just from buying the DVD? I'm that type too. I watch it once or twice, feel satisfied on my own, and then leave it sitting there. I'm debating whether to buy this one. Ninnaji was great, but I can't sit through something like "Twilight"...

>231 At first, just enjoy it. After watching it a few times, try deliberately looking for things that are different. Then you'll notice all kinds of tiny details, and the DVD becomes twice as fun to watch lol You should peek at the live commentary thread too. People there see things differently from you. Also, discussion of "Twilight" is forbidden lol

The only live show I've been to was TowaBare. The only DVD I haven't watched is TowaBare too. The scene in the 2nd DVD where Yuri is practicing "Timeless Sleep" is great.

>233 The part where Yurippe practices "Timeless Sleep"... wasn't that in the 1st DVD (the documentary)? (´･ω･`)

Huh!? Ninnaji was so good that I decided to buy this one too, but... Twilight isn't really...

How's the DVD this time? Am I the only one who gets the impression from this thread that it's kind of disappointing?

>236 The singing is reliable, and more than anything, the members look happier than they ever have at a live show. Just watching them makes me happy too.

>236 It really makes you think, "They sure are professionals." They've gotten used to live shows and now have the breathing room to enjoy themselves. Personally, I like the totally amateur-looking Yurippe from the 1st one.

But if you compare it with something like "Natsu no Maboroshi," the improvement is incredible.

>238 She speaks so confidently and naturally during the MC too. I love the "self-proclaimed songstress~" bit in the 1st one lol I wonder if they don't call her a songstress during the member introductions anymore? lol

My copy of nora and the DVD just arrived. Is it okay if I watch them now?

>241 Who are you asking permission from? lol Go ahead and watch it. Let us know what you think.

>241 Go ahead. Watch it plenty for me too, since I can't afford to buy it(´；ω；｀)

Disc 1 is over. Man, it's good. Really good. I unexpectedly got a little teary during the opening of "Mawarimichi." Yurippe's singing since Ninnaji is just gorgeous too. And there's another disc? What a luxurious bargain.

>244 I wanna see it(´；ω；｀) *sniff* Not that it matters, but the last part is just a little short of being a 5-7-5 poem: "What a luxurious bargain." Nana, nice?

Whew, it's over. The second half is so powerful. Now I'm getting hungry. There's enough content to feel like I watched the Ninnaji live twice. Nana looked incredibly radiant at Ninnaji, but this time Furui and Okamocchi were the cool ones. My personal favorite was Ikeda conducting the strings and dancing around. Guess I'll listen to nora after I eat.

>246 I knew Daisuke Ikeda's name through ZARD, but seeing him dancing and jumping around and generally going all out at the Gane live made me crack up at first. (w) ("Kokoro o Hiraite," arranged by Ikeda, is an absolute god-tier song~♪)

>245 You'll just have to wait until you've saved enough money(´･ω･｀) >246 Posting right after finishing Disc 1, just like me lol This one's long, the content is good, and it really has a lot of substance. The male members were on camera more than usual too (including Kurose lol). Ikeda is so chubby and cute lol

He looks cute, like a perverted teddy bear lol

Yurippe says there might be a sequel to nora if the requests pile up. I hope there is one.

>250 Are they really going to make an answer song themselves? lol But Yurippe composes without imagining the lyrics, so honestly I don't want her making a song specifically for a sequel. On the other hand, I am curious what kind of song it would be lol

>246-248 Ikeda looked great in his Hatchan T-shirt.

If Yuri made a song from a completely blank slate, and Nana later added lyrics because she felt they somehow suited a sequel, that might work.

>253 It'd be nice if they made it that way years later, once we'd all forgotten about it. Then they could even have an anecdote like, "This is the sequel after all these years."

>252 They introduced it at the live as a sample.

I suddenly thought: maybe "Doing all right" describes what happened to Nora afterward. "I left this place" → "The city doesn't suit me, but I'm somehow getting by!" Something like that?

Sorry to derail the thread, but is it worth buying "Crystal Gauge" just for the one song "Crier Girl & Crier Boy ~ice cold sky~"?

>257 Definitely. Personally, that one is in the top one or two among their coupling tracks.

>258 I seeー. The nearby CD shop still has a brand-new copy, so I'll go buy it later (・ω・)/

>259 Lucky you. Around my place, you basically never see GARNET CROW singles from before "Yume no Hitotsu." I once found a used copy of "call my name" for 100 yen at a secondhand bookstore. I thought, "I'll get it next time," but when I went back, it was already gone... orz A trap made to look like a coincidence♪

>260 The exact same thing happened to me with the "Kimi to Iu Hikari" single lol "Crier..." and so on—whoaaa, what an amazing song! I should've bought it sooner. I'm going to sleep listening to this tonight lol

>261 You'd never heard it before? lol But can you really fall asleep listening to a song like that? Didn't you get so hyped that you couldn't sleep? lol

That "I wanna see yooou" part— it's so beautiful it gives me chills.

>262 I slept just fineー. The song is still playing in my head lol

>264 Oh, good lol GARNET CROW really is addictive, though. Not just the CDs, but the DVDs and radio stuff too. I keep listening and watching them over and over (｀･ω･´)

>265 They really are addictive. Personally, there isn't a song I get tired of, so it makes me happy that I can listen to them all year round(´ω`)

It suddenly feels like the average age dropped a lot.

Mochi's...

Kuraga really is popular, huh. It's my fourth-favorite coupling track too.

>269 Are the top three "Yuudachi no Niwa," "Mawarimichi," and "Float World"? lol

>270 You might be pretty close lol The others could be "Cried a little," "Jewel Fish," or "in little time."

>270 Close, but no cigar lol 1st: "Float World" 2nd: "Kanata Made Hikari o" 3rd: "Yuudachi no Niwa" "Mawarimichi" is 5th. I still love it, though.

>272 I got every single one wrong＼(^O^)／ Well, I was just adding to >271's list, so I have an excuse for missing them all... lol Still, "Kanata Made Hikari o" was a little unexpected.

The first time I heard "Kanata Made Hikari o," it hit me like a shock— like, right down the middle! A bull's-eye!! lol But I like the songs in >271 too.

I think you should listen to "Crier Girl & Crier Boy ~ice cold sky~" as a set with "Crystal Gauge." The beauty of how the outro flows into the intro is unreal.

"Crier" really is a masterpieceー. It's my third favorite if we're only counting coupling tracks. For the record, number one is "His Voyage" and number two is "Kaze no Oto dake o Kiite."

"Nora" is a coupling track too. Where does everyone rank it?

It's a double A-side single, and you're still calling it a coupling track?

>278 It isn't a double A-side.

The only double A-sides were "Kaze to RAINBOW" and "Kono Te o~," I think.

>277 Depending on my mood at the time: "Mikansei na Neiro" § "Mawarimichi" / "Jewel Fish" § "in little time" § "Kanata Made Hikari o" / "Nora" ← these two.

Please release a coupling-track compilation ＞＜ They're all songs I love ＞＜

>282 They could release it at the same time as the best-of, and do something like this single: "Buy the set and receive a bonus!" They'd make a killing. There probably aren't many people who became fans partway through and would buy every single, so of course they'd buy a coupling album if one came out. Even people who own everything would buy it for the bonus and the urge to complete the set. Though the people who've been buying the singles all along would probably be pissed lol

Are we not doing a live listening party? Next week?

>284 There weren't many people interested, and I ended up having work today.

Well, singles have instrumentals as well as coupling tracks. "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" is the only one with an instrumental on the B-side. I'd buy a collection of B-side instrumentals.

Next time they release a best-of, it'll probably be a three-disc set: two CDs and one DVD (PVs or live footage). Then three versions, separating the PVs and the live footage.

So many people say the coupling tracks are excellent, but nobody ever brings up a coupling compilation, so I thought maybe it was a forbidden topic lol I'm glad there are people who agree. Maybe I should send the official site a suggestion... Including instrumentals would be great too! I waaaant ittttt

If they release a B-side collection, I wouldn't mind if it only included the B-sides from the singles released up to that point. But they'll probably include some previously unreleased tracks too... The best-of was awful. They put in "Sorairo no Neko" and "Sayonara" to Tatta Hitokoto de..." so even people who had all the singles had to buy it. In other words, you had to spend nearly 3,000 yen for two songs. Pretty shameless way to make money. I understand they can't turn a profit otherwise, but as a consumer, I'd really rather they didn't. And yet, those two songs were worth spending 3,000 yen on.

That's some extremely high praise.

>287 If they're including live footage, I'd like them to put back the MC segments they cut. >289 They included alternate versions of the single tracks too, so compared with other artists, it was pretty reasonable. If they do release one, they won't rearrange the coupling tracks, will they?

>291 I have a feeling they'll include two or three tracks with different arrangements. If it looks like a coupling compilation isn't happening, I'll collect all the singles... I don't own a single one yet, though lol I do have all the albums.

>292 If they're upbeat songs, that's fine, but I want the dark ones left as they are. I don't even own the albums myself. I do have all the DVDs, though(´･ω･｀) Buying everything from scratch would just cost too much...

I like "whiteout," but you can't hear the vocals outside the chorus, so I want them to re-record it.

I like most of the coupling tracks, but "Trance Trap" is my favorite. Its mature-sounding vocals really stand out—pretty unusual for GC. I wish they'd perform it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-XfTdh_7GU

I'm against a coupling-track best-of. It'd make all the effort I put into collecting the singles pointless.

I'm against it too. But I am curious which songs the members would choose.

I'd be in favor if they were all rearranged versions.

>298 (´ω｀)「Of course I'd push for "Ushinawareta Monogatari."」 ( ^ω^)「They're all good songs, so I can't choose~」 >299 (■ω■)「There goes another vacation...」

I'd buy it if they re-recorded the vocals and re-did the instrumentation.

>301 Personally, I don't think much of the early songs re-recorded with her current voice... Honestly, the only re-recording I've liked so far is "Sky." I prefer the single versions of "Eimin" and "Spiral." There are songs I'd like to hear with her current voice, though— "whiteout" and "Trance Trap," for example.

I'd secretly love to hear an album collecting songs like "whiteout," "Trance Trap," "FLOWER," "for south," "Kaze no Oto," "Ichiban Suteki," "Aljen," and "clockwork." I bet hearing them all together would change the impression they make.

I listened to "Ichiban Suteki Datta Hi" again so I could write the above, and got so ridiculously hooked that I can't escape. The arrangement is cool as hell.

Oh, is that so? I've never heard it...

Today I bought all the DVDs in one giant grown-up splurge. About time.

>306 That must've been a big expense, but the satisfaction is even bigger, right? lol

>307 I want to praise my own initiative for the first time in ages lol I want to savor them properly, so I've scheduled the screenings to start this weekend.

I bought the "Kaze" CD. It's so cool.

>306 Same here. I happened to buy "2005" last spring, and within a month I had the whole set~

I've completed the DVDs, but I don't own a single album or single＼(^O^)／ How much is it going to cost to collect everything...

>311 You're almost exactly the same as meー lol

Having the music already makes me hesitate even more about buying it... And what I want most is AZUKI's poetry collection, "80.0."

"80.0" is seriously recommended. Since it isn't constrained by a fixed length like songs are, it feels more condensed. For me, it's like a bible I open whenever I've lost sight of something. The simple book design is nice too.

Apparently it's sold at live venues, so I'm planning to buy it at the fan-club event or the Nagoya show. As for the albums and singles... I'll discuss it with my wallet lol

Why not just order it at a regular bookstore or go to Amazon?

>316 I saw someone write in the main thread that you get a poster if you spend over 3,000 yen at the sales booth, so I thought I'd do it that way(´･ω･｀)

Are there any songs you only realized were good after watching the DVDs? After watching "Mirror Ball," "Holding you,..." has been looping in my head and it's driving me nuts.

>318 I know what you meanー. I prefer the early stuff, and I didn't really like last year's "Lock" album, but watching the recent "Lock On" live DVD changed my mindー.

>318 I loved "Holding you,..." from the start, though. Personally, I'd say "Yume Hanabi" and "Futari no Rocket" at Ninnaji.

"Yume Hanabi" at Ninnaji was god-tierー. "Lock On" completely changed how I see "Endless Desire." And the intro to "Ritou" was incredible! "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" finally turned into one of those songs that gets better the more you chew on it... It's surprisingly good. I'd love to hear it live.

>321 Ninnaji was great, right? I was relieved when they made "wish★" into a medley too lol If she can't hit the highest note, that kind of workaround is fine by me. I feel like I shouldn't be skipping songs based on personal taste, but I keep skipping ahead to the coupling tracks... I'll try listening on repeat today lol

I came to like "Atsumeru HEAVEN" because of "Lock On."

I didn't really like "Futari no Rocket," but the 1st live DVD changed my mind.

The piano intro to the final "Ritou" is running through my head. This is basically a recreation of the 1st one.

In an atmosphere full of anticipation and nerves, the intro to "call my name" begins. A moment later, Yurippe timidly says, with a hint of embarrassment: "Good evening, everyooone. We're GARNET CROW." The 1st one really brings back memories. Whenever the intro to "call my name" comes on at a live show, I think of it.

>326 What a wonderfully story-like opening lol But I wonder if she doesn't say "songstress" during the introductions anymore? lol

I was wondering what this next live, titled "Yoake no soul," would be built around, but it turns out there's going to be a 7th album. The new single is in August too... I guess I should go to the live, huh.

>328 It's a tour supporting their "seventh" album, you know? If you don't go now, when will you? lol Just imagining what unreasonable demands Yuri will make of AZUKI is fun enough. Yeah, I love AZUKI's rambling MCs(´･ω･｀)

I hope the album has fewer love songs and focuses on songs with deep lyrics.

It's coming out in September, right as autumn begins. It's GARNET CROW season, so I'd like to hear a seriously dark song again for a change.

>331 I only became a fan recently. What are the dark songs like? I want to listen on YouTube, so please recommend a few if you have any.

>332 "Kimi to Iu Hikari" "Kimi o Kazaru Hana o Sakasou" "Mikansei na Neiro" "in little time" "Yuzukuyo" "Maboroshi" (No particular order) And plenty of others.

Lately I've been losing track of what even counts as "dark." Is it the sound, the subject matter, or what? Personally, I think "His Voyage" is dark precisely because the tune is so bright. "Kakurenbo" is unanimously dark too, though in a sort of haunted-house way. Songs like "cried a little," "Crier Girl & Crier Boy -ice cold sky-," and "Ushinawareta Monogatari" make my nose run because of the way Yuri sings them, like she's wailing. >332 You said you wanted to listen on YouTube. If you like them, buy them.

>332 "Hashiri Tsuzukete Yuku" and "Tsumetai Kage." What song made you become a fan? >334 AZUKI's lyrics are mostly dark in content at their core (though there's warmth in them too), so personally, I want to hear songs whose sound is dark as well. They've had relatively bright songs lately.

>333 >334 >335 Sorry for the late reply, and thanks so much for being helpful. I'll take my time and listen to everything listed today. And of course, if I like them, I'll consider buying them.

>336 "Natsu no Maboroshi" is surprisingly dark too. "flying" has a bright tune, but if you read deeply into the lyrics, it seems dark as well... Though for the protagonist in the song, it still feels bright... It's vague, but that's the idea. On the other hand, something like "Holy ground" has a dark tune and dark individual phrases, but when you look at the song as a whole, it's hopeful and forward-looking. Darkness is hard to define when you really think about it.

Speaking of dark, I forgot "Marionett fantasia." Were there any other songs in three-four time? >337 As another example, "Kimi o Kazaru Hana o Sakasou" takes a positive view of saying farewell. Especially the part about "to you who is setting out." Even the way the song ends is positive. Though it's also about death, "Eien ni Houmure" feels nihilistic in its tune, lyrics, and singing. It has that emptiness of losing your other half, like staring at the part that's gone. Maybe that's a little different from darkness, though.

>338 "pray."

>338 I completely forgot such an important song lol The nihilistic feeling in "Eien ni Houmure" is unreal. The melody is sung so calmly, and then the emotion bursts out in the falsetto during the chorus—it's indescribable. Now I want to watch the "Kimi to Iu Hikari" live DVD lol

There are people wearing layered skirts (the kind with layers stacked down from the top) everywhere in town now, and it reminds me of the 2005 live show. Was Nakamura Yuri's fashion sense actually a few years ahead of its time?

>340 If listening to that song gets you thinking about how everyone dies someday, things get dangerous lol I even started imagining that Yuri might sing this song when AZUKI eventually dies lol >341 >Was Nakamura Yuri's fashion sense actually a few years ahead of its time? Mention that and someone will bring up "Mirror Ball" lol

>342 (＾ω＾)「Let it go alreadyー」

>342 You never know. In a few years, maybe most women in the city will be wearing Mirror Ball... Nah, no way lol

>342 I get the feeling AZUKI isn't going to die.

>345 Lmaoｗ I diedｗｗ True, trueｗ

>345 I mean, I kind of get what you're trying to say lol

God-tier band. Criminally underrated.

That's exactly why it's good. It'd be the worst if they got more famous and started getting pushed around by the opinions of loud idiots. The other artist I stan alongside them went that way, and it was despair-inducing!

Now I'm curious which artist you mean.

We're living in a world where Yusuke (lol) can take number one on Oricon lol I wonder how GARNET CROW feels about it... I do think they're underrated, but I'd rather they not get weirdly popular and attract more people going on about "God" and "masterpieces."

Check the main thread. It's a whole GOD bargain sale over there, I tell you.

>352 I said the same thing in the main thread lol

GARNET OF DREAM

GARNET CROW OF Doing All Right!

Bump: tomorrow is Yurippe's birthday.

>356 No need to bump it just for that lol Though there are women who hate having their birthdays celebrated. I wonder what Yuri thinks?

I just found out watching TV that she shares a birthday with GACKT lol

Does the intro to Backstreet Boys' "Back to Your Heart" sound similar to the intro of "picture of world"? I was about to post that, then realized today is Yurippe's birthday. Happy birthday, Yurippe!

Happy birthday, Yuri-sama!

Happy birthday, Yuri!

Happy birthday, Yurippe! Please keep letting us hear that voice that sinks straight into the heart.

Happy birthday, Yuri! I suddenly wanted to hear some songs I didn't own, so I went to YouTube and somehow more than two hours had passed in no time.

Ughー, I've been despairing lately because there's no way I can make it to the live. Isn't there any way I can go? Happy birthday, Yuri!!

Why do they always play at ZEP? I wish they'd do it at a civic gymnasium's medium hall or somewhere.

I had a pretty amazing dream today. Yurippe was belting out Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" inside the National Diet Building. And for a dream, her voice was surprisingly clear and sounded exactly like her. It was incredible.

>366 What a marvelous bit of brain playback lol I want to hear Yurippe sing Michael.

>367 The memory's already getting pretty fuzzy, though. *sweat* Yurippe has a beautiful high register, but personally I like her better when she's mumbling away in the mid-to-low range.

How old is Yurippe now?

Forever 17.

Yurippe, forever cute.

Yurippe is finally starting to show some sex appeal.

When I sing "Eien Kake Isshun" at karaoke, if I hold out the final "even the meaning~" part, I can't fit in the "your..."

>373 You can't sing it even if you don't hold it out.

>373 You might as well hold it out and start singing from "I can set it free again." Like Yurippe does at live shows.

You have to sing either, "Even the meaning of having descended~ if I could hear the voice," or, "Even the meanin'—your~ voice, if I could hear it."

I'm 373. Thanks for the replies. Personally, the first option in >376 looks easier to sing.

Heard the new song? It's a completely captivating, pull-you-right-in kind of song, dude.

>378 The intro is really great, huh?

I heard the new song, but the chorus had a melody that sounded familiar somehow. What song was it again...

>380 Yeah, I feel like I've heard it somewhere before too. That happens with Gane a lot (not in a bad way). Gane's songs always have this nostalgic feeling, and it's really nice.

Exactly... The song started and felt so good that I unconsciously closed my eyes.

I fell asleep because it felt so good.

I dreamed, cried, and woke up. Then I forgot the dream.

Am I Gane?

>380 Personally, I thought it sounded like the color of a sunflower.

Thanks to the god who uploaded the new song! But the person who claimed to have uploaded GaneCraw on hey×3 and kept posting completely different videos is the worst...

>387 ?

>387 Wrong thread?

The full audio has been uploaded to YouTube.

>390 I know that, and it's been a lifesaver, but I have no idea what the second half of >387 is referring to.

Yuri might have entered the peak of her voice. Her singing doesn't sound forced anymore and has become more stable, if that makes sense.

People have mixed opinions about her current singing style, but she's gotten way better, haven't they? Her diction has improved too.

It's nice that her singing has improved, for sure. In the early days, even though she was shaky, it was great seeing her put everything into singing (she still does lol). That was what I liked most, so it's a little sad that she has more composure now...

I definitely get that lol Sometimes the unstable singing style from the early days was actually really pleasant to listen to lol But it's been ten years already. Of course she'd become more comfortable lol Still, you can tell she's continuing to work hard even now, which makes me respect her and think she's amazing.

Honestly, I thought Ninnaji was just a one-off miracle, but she was good at the summer live too... She really has gotten better(´･ω･｀) I guess this is what it feels like when your kid finally leaves the nest... lol

>396 I don't want to believe it, but Ninnaji was probably lip-synced... Still, she really has gotten better.

>397 Wasn't it editing rather than lip-syncing? The first halves of "Marionette Fantasia" and "Maboroshi" are pretty suspicious lol I heard the falsetto was hoarse, but... it sounds incredibly clean on the DVD＾＾

Speaking of falsetto, I wonder what key Nakamura can reach these days. Her clear, flowing mixed voice is beautifulー. Gane has everything from the hiA–hiB range, which is about as high as I could probably sing, up to around hiE. Its usable range is incredibly broad and interesting. It's not just broad—the range is all over the place depending on the song.

>398 Yeah. When I heard the first half of "Marionette" on YouTube, it was exactly the same as the CD. So maybe it was edited? But would they really need to edit a live DVD... I want to believe it was editing...

I don't know whether they edited it, but my impression from hearing it live at Ninnaji was: "Yurippe can really sing!!"

>397 >398 Yurippe is under suspicion of lip-syncing!(ﾟ∀ﾟ)-! Come to think of it, people said the same thing about Ms. Sakai's singing at ZARD's boat live: "She must be lip-syncing anyway lol" (Though she sure did mess up the lyrics quite a bitー.)

>402 I told you, it's editing, not lip-syncing lol Though I can't say for certain that they definitely edited it... (´･ω･｀)

The thread is unusually lively. The low voice at the 1st live was shocking lol I've been watching since then, and it feels like Yuri has really grown. Her MCs were timid at first too. Still, this songstress is really getting into it. >399 >The range is all over the place. That's why even men can sing some of the songs. Aside from one song, I've gotten pretty good at singing the songs Mochi performed live.

>404 My guess is "Atsumeru HEAVEN."

I think it'd be perfect if she could sing the groove-heavy songs differently from the ballad-type songs.

>404 Maybe thanks to Yahoo's restrictions being lifted? If a man learns mixed voice and gets able to produce high falsetto (enough to sing L'Arc), he can more or less tackle "Seichi," "Maboroshi," and "Kono Fuyu no Shirosa ni" in the original key ( ・∀・)y─┛~~ There aren't many female singers these days who reach around hiA–hiB. Maybe DoAS. There's a growing trend with the times that songs using lots of high notes are good songs. But songs composed in a lower key can be good too. Gane embodies that brilliantly.

I'm a guy, but I can sing most Gane songs in the original key. I can't handle the ones that are too high or too low, though, so Yurippe's range really is impressive.

The range in "Kyou no Kimi to Ashita o Matsu" is especially obvious. The difference between the beginning and the end is incredible.

The chorus and C section of "Kyou no Kimi to Ashita o Matsu" give me a huge sense of déjà vu, but I can't figure out what song it is.

When I sing in the original key, either the verse is too low or the chorus is too high, so I drop it by one flat. It's probably the same key Mochi uses. >399 >hiE Did you mean hihiE? I'm an amateur, so sorry if I'm the one misunderstanding.

>402 Wow, Ms. Izumi Sakai fought too... Ah, you mean the boat live lol She sang so well on the boat that it was barely different from the CD, but if you've properly listened to the CD, you can tell it was live. Otherwise, why wouldn't they edit out all those mistakes? lol Sorry for going off topic. With Gane, I can manage the high notes in the original key too, but the middle range is a little high and hard to sing, so I usually lower it by two. I can hit the highest notes in "Holding you~" and Kuraga in the original key, but it's a bit of a strain; I'll try "Kyou no Kimi to Ashita o Matsu" next time. Mochi's songs are easy to sing by comparison lol

I can just about manage "Yuzukuyo," "Atsumeru," "Eien ni Houmure," "Maboroshi," and "Seichi" in the original key. I can produce a fair amount of falsetto, but my chest voice can't keep up. Even including novelty songs and anime songs outside Gane, I need just a little more range to really enjoy singing them. If I were a man, I'd have plenty to spare. >411 If you can really sing that, you're genuinely talentedー( ・∀・)y─┛~~ That's an insane high note.

Don't lament. People aren't all that different either.

Happy birthday, AZUKI(^ω^ )

Happy birthday, Nana-sama!

"Kyou no Kimi to Ashita o Matsu" is such a good song. I love it. By the way, >410 Personally, that chorus sounds like the Morning Mood from "Peer Gynt." I can't say exactly what part sounds similar, though.

Come to think of it, today is Nana's birthday. Happy birthday. Please stay beautiful forever.

>417 Ah, yeah, I hear it. Maybe that's the one. But I feel like I've heard something even more similarー. It bothers me because it's one of my favorite songs.

Does anyone know what song the chorus of "Hana wa Saite~" sounds like? I still can't remember...

>420 Are you looking for a similar song? Or are you trying to say they stole it?

>420 Maybe "Yume no Hitotsu"?

>421 The former. >422 Not "Yume no Hitotsu"... It's not GARNET CROW. Maybe it was enka or something... that's what it sounded like.

>420 Was it an Ikimono-gakari song? Comparing just these two songs, it's frustrating to admit it, but theirs is better...

Hold you tightー, hold you tightー

Now that you mention it, I can hear it. But that Ikimono-gakari song also sounds like a Mr. Children song lol Though it's a different part.

This one gives me a different kind of déjà vu too... Ah, but maybe it was an even older song. Or maybe not. Ugh, I can't remember orz

I thought it sounded a bit like "over blow."

>428 I don't think "over blow" sounds all that similar... But I guess everyone hears things differently. I also feel like I've heard a similar song somewhere in "over blow." Actually, I feel like its guitar solo sounded a lot like the guitar solo in another Gane song, but I can't remember which one. Once you start talking about this kind of thing, there's no end to it lol

>429 I think it was probably "Haru Matsu Hana no You ni." I don't personally think they're that similar, though. Sorry if I'm wrong.

>430 Thanks for the reply�d! Hmm, that's not it. I don't think they're that similar either lol The A-melody of this song also feels like something I've heard somewhere, and the chorus sounds like "Yume Mita Ato de" lol (I know, pretty late to say that.) Seriously, it'll turn into an eternal loop-loop-loop, so I'm going to try not to think about it too much.

Still, there's definitely an impression that the number of songs and arrangements with similar vibes has increased. They seem to be expanding their range genre-wise this time too, at least a little. I wonder what it'll end up sounding like.

"Haru Matsu Hana no You ni" is a really good song when you listen to it calmly. I didn't realize because it's so understated.

>433 Yeah. It's a good song even when you listen to it passionately.

The album release got postponed orz

>435 It really sucks. If it's going to be postponed, they should announce the release date only after it's actually confirmed. Otherwise the shock is way too big lol

>436 You should be telling that to Mai Kuraki's staff.

Huh, everyone seems pretty calm? I had drifted away for a while, but I heard "Hana wa Saite~" on the website and got so moved I came rushing back... I don't really demand novelty from Gane. As long as they give us songs that make you go, "Yes, this is it!" with little variations, I'm happy enough to pick one depending on my mood that day.

I want them to release all the coupling tracks so far as an album.

Their sound has changed quite a bit from album to album so far. The previous one was, at least, made with a fresh, crystal-clear sound, but lately I keep seeing people elsewhere say things like, "Songs with that nostalgic atmosphere unique to GARNET CROW," and so on. Somehow, an atmosphere that evokes nostalgia has become what defines Gane. They did show a nostalgic, guitar-pop worldview from the beginning, but maybe everyone's image of them has gradually solidified around that. The word "nostalgia" sounds nice, but it also kind of sounds like a convenient cover story.

>439 That would make all the effort of collecting the singles feel pointless. And considering they haven't put even one of them on an album, I doubt they're planning it.

We already talked about a coupling compilation before, lol. With this album delay, the people hit hardest are probably those going to the Nagoya show(´･ω･｀) I'm looking forward to what kind of MC Yuri does.

>442 Agreed. Nagoya is a major city too, so there should be plenty of fans, but they've hardly ever held a live there—it was a fan-neglected city. Just when it finally became a live venue, the original album got delayed. It'll be hard to learn the album well in only two days after its release.

>443 Even if the arrangements are different from the CD, people probably wouldn't notice(´･ω･｀) I wonder if the setlist will be different from the other venues.

Nakamura's recent melodies are... how do I put it... they don't quite break through. There are moments that make you go, "Oh!" though.

I was thinking I'd go to Nagoya if I could get a ticket, but now my desire to go has been cut in half(´;ω;`)

>445 There are tons of examples where you listen a year later and it suddenly clicks...

>447 Will the song I currently find kind of mediocre, "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku," be one of those songs that clicks by October too...?

The title was one of those that raised the bar, so I expected a song with more weight behind it. The RPG sound-effect-like arrangement is full of experimentation, but the melody itself isn't very good either, and the song just doesn't grab me at all.

I think the melody line in "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" is catchy enough. It stood out to me from the first listen and I thought it was a good song. The title fits the image of the song too. Well, maybe people who've been fans all along hear it differently.

After a few listens, I get kind of full on it. Maybe it feels that way even more because the coupling track is so good. By the way, about the new song's coupling track "Ai ni Niteru": isn't this the first GARNET CROW title among all those songs to contain the character for "love"? There are a few songs with "love" in the title, though... I don't know, it just caught my attention(´･ω･｀)

I'm desperately wanting a coupling compilation these days.

Buy all the singles.

Why do they have so many tie-ins? Is there something going on behind the scenes!? Her voice is distinctive, but I don't think she's all that good at singing...

>454 I wouldn't say they're a band that's particularly blessed with tie-ins... (A 2008 *Nikkei Entertainment* piece said, in essence, that a Being-affiliated act like GARNET CROW naturally ends up with songs used for *Detective Conan*, but because the songs are high-quality, it's a shame if people dismiss them as mere anime themes without giving them a chance.)

>454 At this point, the only tie-ins they get are throwaway anime on TV Tokyo and the usual Being *Conan* tie-ins. When other companies push an artist, they can usually put them behind something a little more worthwhile. If the quality is there, it's not strange for them to have a tie-in every time. Still, given the band's atmosphere, they could give them some better tie-ins. I'm tired of them playing over anime visuals. They've only had one drama tie-in.

Never mind a song like "Atsumeru HEAVEN," which had the MÄR tie-in—the title itself is an absolute black mark in their history. No artist these days ties a song title to an anime that tightly. Anyway, we've talked tie-ins to death already, so I want to put my hopes into the new album.

"Hana wa Saite~" seems like it would fit a daytime soap drama.

I think "Yume Mita Ato de" can finally shake off its association with *Conan.*

I'm someone who first learned about them through *Conan,* so I have absolutely no intention of badmouthing the tie-ins lol

>459 Putting anime visuals behind a ballad like that is really forcing it. Even if it's *Conan,* which makes it somewhat okay, the *Conan* tie-in doesn't really have much pull anymore. Actually, you could say TV dramas and movies themselves don't have that much pull anymore either.

People tend to forget this, but I thought doing a game theme song was pretty huge. That was a good tie-in, and the atmosphere fit too. I became a fan because of that opening.

>461 I think a phoned-in song with no impact at all ruined the tie-in. The early *Conan* theme songs had impact, after all. >462 Some people even call it a black mark in their history. But gaining fans is a good thing, isn't it?

>462 There was a popularity poll for the theme songs in that game's series on some board before, and "flying" did pretty well. I've also seen people say they thought "flying" was good, bought the CD, and ended up liking the coupling track more. >463 Calling it a black mark... lol Were those people saying that without ever actually playing the game? Personally, I kind of like the orchestral version of the ending too.

Whatever you think of the black-mark thing, "flying" was a major part of their identity. It's like how people talk about DEEN and only ever get excited about "Yume de Aru You ni." Lots of people remember them through "flying." That's the power of a Tales tie-in. The single version started with synth bass, but the game version starting with guitar was good too.

Speaking of DEEN, they did pretty well on Oricon with a handheld Tales game—around sixth place, with about 20,000 copies total. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3EarYNaS2c&feature=related Ikemori's key has gotten lower, but this is a good song. Tales tie-ins are still powerful even now, so if Gane got one, they'd probably sell pretty well.

As someone who discovered GARNET through *Tales of Eternia,* I strongly associate "flying" with the game opening. There was also the ending and Dancing Meredy, though. The single version felt pretty strange when I heard it. Come to think of it, the preorder bonus for *Tales of Destiny 2* included a DVD with the opening on it. >463 This is the first I've heard of *Tales of Eternia* being called a black mark. The song itself is really popular. If you're talking black marks, there are much worse examples.

>464 >467 People have mentioned it a little in the main thread too, but sure enough, nobody brought up "flying." Maybe I was mistaken, so sorry about that... (´;ω;｀)

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>468 I'll forgive you because the face looks like Yurippe.

I knew *Conan*'s "Mysterious Eyes" and "Natsu no Maboroshi," as well as "Bokura dake no Mirai" from *Sport,* before I became a fan. They used to have decent tie-ins.

They had Uchi-P and stuff too. They even appeared on music shows, though not many. Even a tie-in that doesn't get them in front of new listeners wouldn't really change anything, I guess. If anything, it just limits the songs in weird ways. By the way, what was that "big presentation" thing they wrote about on the blog before? Can we still be hopeful?

They said something about "heading toward their 10th anniversary," but honestly, doesn't it feel like they're losing momentum badly? They announce everything way too early—"single release confirmed," "tour confirmed," and so on. And with "Hana wa Saite~," you can already hear the full version, so the whole thing screams "a little late now."

>472 *Conan,* *Tales,* TV Tackles, Sanjapo, *Sport,* Uchi-P, and *Kasouken no Onna* are the decent tie-ins. Everything else is garbage.

Car commercials. *Project ARMS* (anime). *Patapata no Daibouken* (anime). POOH! They've actually had quite a lot, when you add it all up.

"Anime song" isn't quite the right definition, but at this point they do have an anime-band image. Basically, they're the *Conan* people and the *Tales* people. To the general public, it's probably, "Oh, they're still around?" It'd be funny if some random cute-girl anime used one of their songs lol

>460 Don't make fun of *Conan.*

>477 I didn't read >460 as making fun of *Conan,* though.

>477 Do you have some kind of problem?

I wonder if changing the types of tie-ins would lead to changes in the songs too. I want them to stay true to their own path, but I also want to see them make songs that fit the occasion and explore some new range.

Anyway, I'm sick of anime visuals. I'm sick of *Conan* too. I definitely felt the benefits before, but at this point we don't need *Conan* anymore.

>481 >I'm sick of anime visuals. Then don't watch them.

>482 Well, that's true lol I'm just hoping they'll get a movie or drama tie-in that clicks with them really well and gets the song played~ *Hokuto* and *Kasouken* were both kind of eh.

>480 >Make songs that fit the occasion. That'll be a black mark in their history someday.

>483 So you're saying you want GARNET CROW to be recognized by the general public? It's obvious from her voice that she's not the kind of singer with universal appeal. I think fixating on tie-ins would only destroy what makes GARNET CROW good.

I don't think sales would change no matter what tie-in they got.

>485 How does "I want them to get a tie-in that fits well" turn into "I want them to be recognized by the general public"?

Because those mean the same thing, don't they?

>487 If you think that's not what it means, you need to write out your own opinion or reasoning...

A tie-in that fits well: つ【Kimi no Omoi Egaita Yume Atsumeru HEAVEN】 つ【Rai Rai Ya】

People often say Yurippe's voice doesn't have universal appeal, but what does a universally appealing voice even sound like?

>491 Rather than saying it appeals to everyone, I'd say people are sharply divided on whether they like it.

【Rai Rai Ya】 It looks like a face.

>493 Thanks to you, now I can't see it as anything but a face.

>494 Sorry【Rai Rai Ya】

It looks like a dog lol

>496 Woof woof【Rai Rai Ya】

>484 Well, hopes are just hopes, after all. Though in reality they did go way beyond what anyone expected lol I'm not >487, but I don't expect tie-ins to boost sales either. I just do think it'd be better if at least the worldview or background fit the song. In that sense, I personally like "flying" and "Rai Rai Ya."

>491 Noriko Sakai, who has close ties to the Yamaguchi-gumi.

>500

The B section of "Koi no Aima ni" sounded like "Love is a Bird."

I bought the CDー! Yurippe is so cuteー! But somehow the songs on it are hard to get used to right away. Hmm, guess I'll listen to it a lot and see...

My fan magazine hasn't arrived. I can't even get into the fan-club site. Damn, what's going on?

>503 The new password is printed in this issue of the magazine, but mail-order delivery can be slow sometimes. If it hasn't arrived by September 1, something's probably wrong.

>504 So it really did change to a new password. Could the mail carrier have swiped my magazine...?

The coupling track is better again this time. But I can't shake the feeling that I've heard it somewhere before. I don't know how else to put it.

>506 I think it feels that way because there are more songs where she belts it out. I want to hear songs where she sings quietly under her breath, like humming.

The new song feels like a suspense drama lol It reminds me of that Fire Suspense show I watched in elementary school (despite being called "Fire Suspense," it aired Saturday afternoons). It has this vaguely nostalgic feel lol It takes me back to being a kid.

I've been busy for a while, but finally bought the new song today. The coupling track really is better lol

That's basically the default by now lol The only recent song where I thought the A-side was better is probably "Sekai Mawaryu..."

For me it's "Kanata Made" > "Sekai wa."

I'm on the A-side team this time. I love the feeling of being pulled into one of their grand stories. The melody line at the end really gets me.

Finally listened to "Ai ni Niteru." People have said the end of the chorus sounds familiar, but the beginning of the chorus has a serious déjà vu feeling too lol Especially where it loops from the end of the chorus back to the beginning. Actually, the whole chorus does. Still, it was a good song. I think it has the kind of melody and lyrics Japanese people just can't resist lol I like both "Hana wa Saite~" and "Ai ni Niteru." But in terms of accessibility and catchiness, I guess "Ai ni Niteru" wins. Normally I prefer the A-side's friendly, catchy melodies in their singles lol Though the coupling tracks also (etc.) In short, GARNET CROW rules! I can't wait for the album!! Sorry for the long post orz

This is bad. I've already gotten hooked on the songs included on the DVD. The album release is still way too far away...

I want to believe they're choosing melodies to suit their way of singing, but the songs have been getting pretty similar lately... I don't want to believe they've run dry. Right now, songs like "rusty raily" and "Maboroshi" are barely keeping me connected.

For me too, having songs like "Mawarimichi" and "love lone star" after "Maboroshi" is what keeps me buying the CDs.

For "A crown" on "Kaleidoscope," do you just pronounce it as written?

>515 Sales don't seem to be doing very well either. I wonder if some people have already drifted away... If the album is mediocre too, they might really be in trouble. >517 I don't know how you've been reading it, but yes, just read it as written.

>517 Not "ah"—it's "A," pronounced "ay."

>518 I want them to pull off one big shot right here. Honestly, even the coupling tracks haven't been doing much for me. I'm worried about the album too. What if the differences between each album start getting smaller and smaller?

>515 Mochi's guitar solo in the interlude of "Ruty Rail" is insanely cool(*´∀｀*) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0OsNeQ-F2E

>519 It's "A," not "ah."

>515 I was one of the people who drifted away once, but "RustyRail" actually brought me back. Since then, I've had absolutely no worries about their songs. Same goes for this single and the album. As for sales... there's nothing we can do about that.

So you pronounce it "A crown," just as it's spelled. That clears things up.

>520 It's not bad, but there seem to be fewer songs I love from the first impression. I want Furui to prove once again why people call him the God Hand(｀･ω･´)

>525 Isn't the intro to "Koi no Aima ni" pretty God Hand-worthy for Furui? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jY5xSv1t9A

I'm filled with anxiety about the album...

>526 It's fine—we have the DVD to watch. >527 I bet a lot of longtime fans feel that way too lol Personally, I'm seriously worried that the second track is "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku"...

Sales have been sliding downhill since the 6th album...

I'm super excited and looking forward to the album... I love all four singles.

>530 Yeah! I'm insanely excited. I'm already all wktk about it lol I love all four singles too, so my expectations are through the roof lol

You can really feel the difference in enthusiasm here. I bought "Hana wa Saite, Tada Yurete," but I haven't even taken it out of the bag. My stereo dying is part of the reason too. I remember being a freshman in high school, heart pounding with anticipation as I ran out to buy "SPARKLE," then put it in the stereo with trembling hands. Has that insane GARNET fever from back then finally cooled off? It feels like we're a married couple in a rut.

>532 I totally get that! I still listen to them, technically, but I don't have the passion I did back then... And I also got completely hooked through "SPARKLE" lol

"Ai ni Niteru" feels kind of old-fashioned somehow. I mean that in a bad way, of course. Maybe they should let Osaan compose and Mochi arrange one once in a while?

It feels like their expressive range has been getting narrower lately. On a recent radio show, Yurippe kept repeating words like "bittersweetness" and "nostalgia" when talking about Gane, and suddenly it made sense why the songs have been sounding more alike. If she has fixed Gane in her mind as "bittersweetness," they'll probably keep following the established route. But if the core fans are just propping up that established route, they'll only go backward. Strengthening the fan site and going into defensive mode is fine, but I want the songwriting to stay on the offensive.

>535 >It feels like their expressive range has been getting narrower lately. >On a recent radio show, Yurippe kept repeating words like "bittersweetness" and "nostalgia" when talking about Gane, >and suddenly it made sense why the songs have been sounding more alike. >If she has fixed Gane in her mind as "bittersweetness," they'll probably keep following the established route. >But if the core fans are just propping up that established route, they'll only go backward. >Strengthening the fan site and going into defensive mode is fine, but I want the songwriting to stay on the offensive.

The two album tracks included on the DVD don't really stand out. Even "Koi no Aima ni" feels a little lacking as the final track... Though I won't know until I hear the full versions.

This is where I'd normally say, "Don't complain until you've heard the album—it's bound to grow on you," like the fans always do. But these days the word "grower" itself feels like a bit of an escape.

>538 >These days the word "grower" itself feels like a bit of an escape. I kind of get thatー. It isn't Gane, but I remember telling myself "It'll grow on me, it'll grow on me" when another artist released a new song that didn't stand out and I didn't really like lol The whole thread kind of has that atmosphere too lol Sometimes a song really is a grower, and sometimes you just never manage to like it no matter how long you wait... But as far as Gane goes, I actually prefer the recent stuff, and I'm looking forward to the album.

>537-538 I wrote something positive in >525, but this is what I really think... Still, if you keep writing things like that, you'll start hearing the songs that way too(｀･ω･´)

Yurippe's talent has dried up, I guess. Make Mochi compose instead.

The only artists on the Japanese music board that people especially keep calling "growers" are probably Gane and GRAPEVINE. >541 Mochi knows his way around guitar pop surprisingly well, so he might produce something unexpectedly good. But PS Mai (etc.)

>541 Agreed. I don't think they need to be so attached to Nakamura Yuri as the composer. Mochi is a member of the same band, after all. Lyrics are stuck with Nana-sama, though—nothing we can do about that lol

>541 I can feel them experimenting by making the new melodies more complicated, but there are still a lot of songs I just can't like at a fundamental level. Still, it's hard to imagine Gane changing composers. Maybe she's thinking too much about her own voice and the live arrangements.

Conversely, I wonder what kind of image and worldview Yurippe would write about if she handled the lyricsー? (・ω・｀；)

You Beautiful Wonderful Hate Strong Weak

Huh?

I wish they'd just break up cleanly at their 10th anniversary.

If Yurippe weren't the composer, I'd quit being a Gane fan. Even if it were Mochi. I've heard a few songs Mochi composed, and honestly, I don't feel any compositional talent there personally. Though of course, everyone has different tastes. Personally, I want them to keep working in the same format they've had up to now.

>542 By the way, I wasn't talking about GRAPEVINE lol I knew the name, but I've never listened to their music. Sorry for the double post.

>549 There's no point in changing the formula now. There's no doubt that this kind of stance is one of the things keeping Gane going. It's just that lately there are places where the songs don't build any dynamics properly. Yurippe's emotionless vocals used to be good because they never got in the way, but now they just feel increasingly monotonous and rambling. I feel like people who already thought her voice was gross lol would find it even grosser.

>550 I just meant that they're the artists people often bring up when they talk about "growers" lol

That emotionless, inorganic singing was just an excuse from back when she wasn't a good singer, right? She's improved dramatically since around Ninnaji, so maybe it's time for her to shed that skin.

>551 In terms of being easier for the general public to accept, I think her current voice is easier to listen to. Her old voice had quirks that were irresistibly lovable in its own way. So basically, I like both lol But I feel like I kind of understand where everyone is coming from. It might be painful for people who loved the old songs to see things this way now. >552 Ah, I see. That's what you meant.

I think the people who feel unsatisfied are just asking for what they don't have—an "I want you."

Still, there are things about the present that have started to get interesting too. Yurippe has gotten better as a singer apart from the color of her voice, and now we get to hear Mochi's long guitar solos. Even to an untrained ear, she sounds much more flowing, and I think her volume has increased a lot. Her falsetto and pitch also seem more stable. Her growth since joining GIZA has been pretty incredible. Though no matter how good she gets, the general public will probably still think she sounds bad because of her timbre lol

>555 Hard agree.

>555 Yeah, that's definitely part of itー.

>555 >557-558 But reading through the posts so far, don't you think there are actually a lot of fans who feel unsatisfied? For GARNET CROW, which has so many hardcore fans, that seems like a pretty serious negative. What do you think?

Anyway, what songs would count as the kind >559 is talking about—songs you liked from the first impression? (・ω・　)

>559 Honestly, I don't know whether the current situation is really a negative. I guess all we can do is leave it to the patience of the hardcore fans. I mean, is Gane's current situation really that serious? Mochi-ron, I also have that feeling of, "They should be able to do more." But looking at the long term, I think periods of stagnation like this can happen during growth and change. Come to think of it, Gane has never taken a break or gone on hiatus since debut, has it? So that probably makes it even more likely.

>553 It's not like putting emotion into a song is always good. The almost emotionless, like something has slipped out of place, feeling of "Eien ni Houmure" is great. And when the sadness seeps through in the falsetto, it makes my nose run. It's difficult, thoughー. If you don't put in emotion, you sound awful; if you do, you can sound childish or overly pushy, and people stop wanting to listen...

>559 If Gane is making the music they want to make, isn't that enough? I think this is the kind of music they want to make right now. Whether fans like it or hate it is up to the fans. Whether sales go up or down is Gane's own responsibility. I think taking a break from them once in a while is a good idea. It broadens your perspective and lets you look at things more calmly—speaking from experience. Maybe Gane is currently experimenting with ways to gain new fans. But the tie-ins are so lame they're having no effect.

>560 Most of the songs I like are on the 1st and 4th albums... Is that a good enough answer? (´･ω･｀) My favorite song is "Hashiri Tsuzukete Yuku." >561 Looking at how people have rated them since the 6th album, I do wonder what happened. Some people seem to have come to like the 6th after watching the DVD, but something about it still doesn't quite click for me... And with the 10th anniversary coming up, I'm even more anxious ＞＜ >563 Leaving aside the new-fan stuff, I think your opinion is valid too. But I can't leave them ＞＜

>562 The live version of "Eien ni Houmure" was great with the emotion put in too. >563 I think it's actually the opposite: maybe the producer told them not to let their current fans drift away.

Garnet's songs... they sink into your heart. Being able to hear songs like that is enough by itself.

>564 We get along (^ω^　)

>565 I see. That's another way of looking at it. But if that's true, Gane seems pretty lost lol

>565 I wish the producer would read this thread lol >567 Ah, thanksッ///

The producer is Nagato, right? The Nagato of today probably wouldn't say anything. In practice, it's probably Osaan. If Osaan read this thread, he'd cry. It might make him lose his direction even more.

>570 Poor Osaan(´･ω･`) There are people like me who prefer the current direction, so I want Osaan—or rather, all of Gane—to do whatever they like to their hearts' content.

I like Gane best when they're doing whatever they want.

Compared with the changes from 1st → 2nd → 3rd → 4th, the real change with the 5th and 6th was that the songs became easier to understand and catchier. On the 5th, Mochi's guitar became more prominent with things like bends and arpeggios, the vocals got more belted, and the arrangements and songs were built around obvious climaxes. The 6th suddenly pushed a breezier image, with the drums and bass becoming more prominent. The songs were just as easy to understand as on the 5th.

Isn't this the result of them doing whatever they wanted?

It's not just doing whatever they want! This is GARNET CROW. Isn't what >566 said everything to a fan? Whatever the timbre or the musical style, this is something only this band has. Isn't that what everyone loves?

>575 I like Yurippe's face.

They weren't as well-known back then, and they were just working their asses off making songs. Now maybe they have some weird sense of ease, or maybe they're playing around too much—mainly Yuri. I'll piggyback a little on >560 and talk about myself. Songs that made me cry on first listen: "Last love song," "Yume Mita Ato de," "in little time," and "Crier Girl Crier Boy ~ice cold sky~." Songs that I'd heard many times but somehow still made me cry: "Maboroshi" (single version), "WEEKEND," and "Ushinawareta Monogatari." I think all the songs that made me cry on first listen were from when I'd been a fan for less than a year. The songs that made me cry despite being familiar are relatively recent ones. I wonder why.

I used to give Gane my unconditional approval too... But precisely because I love them, I don't want them to stay in one place, if that makes sense. Hang in there, Osaan!

Maybe we're expecting too much. There seem to be a lot of longtime fans too. When I first became a fan, I listened to every new song with my heart pounding, but I don't feel that way at all lately... Maybe that's just familiarity, though. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the album.

As long as Gane stays together, I'll find another song that hits me right in the sweet spot someday.

People's hearts are always changing, and so are the songs they want. Just because an artist doesn't give you what you hoped for doesn't mean you should attack them. Putting some distance between yourself and them and checking out other things is an experience too. The moment you suddenly want to listen again is when you're closest to them. It's never too late to start listening again from there. It's okay. Their songs never get rusty, no matter when you listen. I'm saying this as someone who drifted away around the 2nd album, so I know I'm right. Now I can understand their songs with a refreshing clarity.

>581 Hard agree. It really is exactly that, gayo na.

>582 Typo orz "gayo na" → "dayo na"

It's impossible to make a song that satisfies everyone, gayo na.

>584 Dude lol

So I figure this is the time to make an effort to look for other artists. I've gone through most of Yurippe's Björk, Cloudberry Jam, the Cranberries, and Alanis. The Cranberries and Björk were pretty interesting. By the way, about Do As Infinity, which came up briefly here before: Tomiko's really changed (´・ω・｀). The new song seems pretty good, but their next album is called "Eternal Flame." What are they, Nana Mizuki?

>581 You drifted away at the 2rd? That's unusual.

>587 How do you pronounce "2rd"?

>588 Why did I even write it like that? 2nd, I mean lol

>588 "Sekādo."

>590 Oh, so that's what it was!

You guys are way too mean, I'm dying lol

This kind of flow isn't bad once in a while lol

(´ω｀)ﾏﾀｰﾘ

Yeah, not bad lol

>586 Tomiko getting a little plump isn't something that only started recently. She was cutest around the time she appeared in that Vodafone commercial a while back. Not that I'm comparing them, but Yurippe's figure is still amazing as ever.

If you like GARNET CROW, what kind of Western music from the 60s through the 90s should you listen to? (・ω・)

>597 I don't think you need to listen to any.

>598 Rather than starting with something as vague as a decade, why not start with the artists they themselves respect and love? For Yurippe, that'd be Alanis and Björk, plus Cloudberry Jam and the Cranberries. They're fairly well-known, so you can't go wrong checking them out anyway.

I meant >597.

>598 Thanks! I was just about to reply, "Okay, I won't listen to any!" Then I saw >599. Thanks!

>601 You should definitely listen to Evanescence from the recommendation list too. You may have heard them already, though. Yuri once said that if GARNET CROW got more intense, they'd probably sound like Evanescence. They're not pure gothic metal and have catchy parts too, so even people who aren't usually interested in Western music can get into them.

>602 Oh! That's the first I've heard of that(　ﾟ∀ﾟ) Thanks so much!

First post of September. Looks like this year will be our GARNET CROW autumn and winter. And then, onward to the 10th anniversary...

And then they'll just fade out...

And move to the legends board...

And transfer to Avex.

That one's never happening.

(´･ω･)ｖ

Can they keep going for another ten years?

>602 Yeah, it does feel a little aesthetic and more intense. But the singing style is pretty rock-oriented, so people who like Yurippe's voice might have trouble with it. Within Temptation's album "Mother Earth" is pretty close in the same genre. It feels like GARNET CROW with a little Celtic flavor and a crystal-clear sound. Their later albums feel different, though.

Nakamura's favorites directly influence her compositions, so starting there really is a good idea. The Corrs are very poppy and easy to listen to (the 1st and 2nd albums). The Cranberries, also Irish, have a despair-filled quality that connects with GARNET's darkness, but the 1st album mentioned here is honestly hard to get into, so starting with the 2nd might be better. Sorry for the long post.

>611 Bands like Within Temptation and other Nordic acts often do album-buyer-only live shows at Ginza Yamano Music, right? I go see them pretty often.

I also like ELIS and Nightwish. The gothic metal crowd does fantasy and classical elements really well. That languid atmosphere covering the whole song is just enough to set them apart from the usual bombastic anime songs. (Not that I hate anime songs.) But if you listen to them consecutively, they can get a little tiresome lol; so many of them have similar styles. Something like Evanescence, with a song-centered feel and accessible melodies, might be easier to listen to for a long time.

Evanescence - "My Immortal" Official Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idd_92ajjwY Evanescence - "Hello" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih61MJ72v1Y I think both were on their 1st album. I like these standard ballads too.

Evanescence often isn't treated as pure gothic metal. Though that's basically how they became known. One song on the 1st album was even called the female version of Linkin Park, if I remember right.

Looking at Yurippe's favorites, I get the feeling that if she arranged Gane's songs herself, they'd all end up as simple ballad-type songs... Maybe Gane's songs really are better with Osaan doing the arrangements.

>617 I'd kind of like to hear Yurippe's arrangements.

>618 Hard agree.

But Osaan re-arranges the songs based on Yurippe's rough arrangements, right? He said he wants to preserve the images she has in her head as much as possible.

I turned all the GARNET CROW tracks into instrumentals, but "Ai ni Niteru" is really good.

When I tried Evanescence, it somehow made me think of "Anywhere." The wiki says "Anywhere" represents Gane's musical style better than anything, but personally it's the only one of their songs I never really managed to like orz

Ah, that song definitely has that kind of feel. The programmed drums are a shame, but the shadowy piano arrangement is irresistible. For me, it's one of those songs where you have to say Osaan did a great job.

>618 The piano arrangement sounds promising, but I can't imagine Yurippe thinking through the guitar and synth parts too. It would be interesting to have Mochi play a guitar solo Yurippe came up with, though.

Yurippe seems like she could handle anything competently. Though it would only be "competently" lol

>624 In the music magazine *SOUND DESIGNER,* Yurippe said she makes rough arrangements during the composition stage: >"I put in things like strings and distorted guitar on the keyboard too (laugh)." So there may be a lot of sections we thought were Osaan's arrangements that actually preserve Yurippe's rough arrangements. Since "Sekai wa Mawaru to Iu Keredo" uses a drum loop, Yurippe's rough arrangement may be reflected quite a lot in it.

By the way, I really want to hear "Natsu no Maboroshi" with the original arrangement at a live show(´･ω･｀) That intro and the guitar cutting...(*´∀｀*) I guess it's difficult to do live... Though I like the secret-arrange version too.

>362 Yeah, Britney Spears. Some people call this kind of thing plagiarism, but since it was right after their debut, I'd call it more of a playful homage than a ripoff. Anyway, that was a pretty awkward wrong-thread post.

As for their musical style... I don't think it's changed all that much. It feels like a natural progression. What kind of songs would actually satisfy everyone? "nora" and the recent single B-sides are all masterpieces. "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" is a new frontier too. Besides, trying to recreate the delicate atmosphere of the early days now would feel unnatural. Yurippe's singing has finally developed the expressiveness to match the scale of the lyrics, so fans should support her more. ...The Gane worldview of the early period, especially the 2nd album, expanding from a tiny enclosed garden out into the universe, is one of a kind. Those songs vividly captured that brief happy period around their breakthrough and just before the lives, so we'll never get the same thing twice. (The excitement of "nacked story" is unreal.) Yurippe used to be like a frightened kitten, but now she's a proper boss cat. Nana-sama's lyrics lately don't have the same sharpness as before, and I don't feel the creative drive. Maybe I've gotten a little tired of Yurippe too? When something's gone on this long, it's inevitable that it becomes an extension of the past and starts running on momentum. Most bands and units end up that way with almost no exceptions. A lot of them change things around for no real reason and end up looking like they've run out of ideas. Gane has actually done pretty well. Besides, how much are you really expecting from a commercial Being unit? The fact that they've survived this long is practically a miracle. You're asking too much. By the way, the lyrics of "DOING~" gave me a premonition that they might break up... The strangely old-fashioned musical style adds to it.

>629 Yeah, "Doing all right" gave me a bad feeling too.

How do you even determine that they're just running on momentum?

Speaking of Being's commercial artists, didn't Ueki move to Avex? I wonder what Gane would be like if they moved too. I wish they'd gone with an atmosphere like the 4th album. That record mixed change with a return to their roots. Given that it had a rearrangement of "Sky," they probably consciously made it as a summary of everything they'd done up to then. Change is necessary and inevitable, but lately I feel like I'm constantly being left behind.

If we're talking about bands that have lost fans badly, The BACK HORN is much worse. The eerie menace of their early work disappeared and they grew into a perfectly respectable band. It was a natural change for them, but for people who've listened since the beginning, it's... well, this happens all the time. Artists are selfish by nature. Gane, on the other hand, was already complete from the start. They've consistently sung about resistance to change and that feeling of seeing the end coming but being unable to do anything, which is why I trust them. The members are probably the ones worrying about it most. Fans should properly see the changes through. ...Ultimately, Nana-sama's unshakable nature is part of what keeps saving this band. If the real threat of being unable to continue—GIZA going bankrupt and then breaking up, for example—ever got close, what kind of feelings would they put into the lyrics? That alone makes them worth following, I'd say.

Rather than momentum, I feel a sense of twilight in the songs. I especially felt it in "Yume no Hitotsu" and "DOING." The songs are more straightforward, and while the lyrics are similar to before, there's less experimentation, which somehow makes the feelings seem deeper.

Can you elaborate on how "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" is a new frontier?

Looking across the albums, it feels like the scale of the lyrics gradually gets bigger: "Meguri Kuru Haru ni" → "HOLY GROUND" → "Eien o" → "U" → ? → "Sekai wa." (A change in worldview?) The sound behind them seems to expand outward in proportion. They're gradually shifting from a unit-like sound toward a band-like sound. I think this song is where the tendency pushed forward on the poorly received 6th crystallized into a new Gane-ness. As you can see in the PV, the four members' positions and presence have been highlighted much more clearly lately. The guitar solo is memorable too. You get to fully enjoy Yuri standing proud as a vocalist. (Songs like "Rai Rai Ya" are still a little weak in that regard.)

It's like this is the first song on this path that you can really listen to properly. "Timeless Sleep" also has a solid, huge-scale sound, but early Gane was about Yurippe cutely struggling against the background, which made you adore her. Lately she feels like she's developed enough power to hold her own against the music. Still, like someone said, the 4th album had the most natural balance. This album's title is wonderful.

(ﾟωﾟ;)・・・・・

>633 I thought The BACK HORN's new album "Pulse" was good too. It can't beat their early "Ningen Program," though. The one before that was the worst of the lot. As for a band sound, Gane spent so long fighting with those low-cost programmed sounds, so I'm not sure how I feel about the rhythm section standing out now. The 6th definitely brought the band sound to the front.

The premise that the 6th was poorly received is already kind of wrong.

Nana-sama is getting older and mellowing out too, you know. Everyone becomes more conservative as they age. It'd be creepy if her lyrics stayed young forever lol So calling that "running on momentum," or saying you're tired of Yurippe, is a little...

MUCC is good too (^ω^)

>239 The album before the previous one really was the weakest. The programmed sounds seem to have gotten more serious starting with the 4th, and the bass sound on the 6th was clearly different from before. "Hyaku-nen no Kodoku" feels like Osaan really brought his A-game—the rhythm is more memorable than anything they've done before. >240 Wait, wasn't that one poorly received? I think everything except the 3rd is a masterpiece. >241 I can believe getting tired after sticking around for a long time; it would be stranger not to. Fans don't seem likely to appreciate new directions designed to avoid stagnation. Quite a few people left after the 6th, saying the old delicacy had disappeared. Judging from the singles, the next album looks like it'll be conservative. Then people will complain about that too, so what the hell are they supposed to do?

>633 Even if GIZA went under, I bet Nana would just carry on like nothing happened lol Then she'd keep unfolding the same old AZUKI world lol

>643 I became a fan starting with the 6th. So I'm looking forward to the next album too. But they've been around for a long time, so there are fans from every era. No matter what kind of album they release, someone is bound to complain. There's no escaping that, so they might as well do whatever they want.

>645 Everyone knows that, but we still end up hoping for songs like the old ones.

It's not just the production—the fact that lowering the key at live shows has become standard also bothers me. For example, "Rusty Rail" gets a little weird when it's lowered by one key. They are lowering it by one, right? It's one of the better guitar songs in Gane, so it's a little disappointing. Speaking of Gane guitar, "Nogareru no Machi" and "Eien ni Houmure" are the best.

Come to think of it, have they never performed "Nogareru no Machi" even once? I really want to hear it live. Though yeah, the key is ridiculously high.

Then what's the song with the best bass?

"Rhythm," obviously.

"Wonder land" is pretty good too...

I really started giving it my all from the 5th. I want them to keep charging forward without hesitation.

>649 Can I give an obvious answer? "Naka Nake."

>653 It's "Nake Naka," isn't it?

>647 She only sings in the original key at fan events. Just making things up.

I've never been to a fan event(´･ω･) Does she really sing in the original key at those? Just thought I'd ask.

If she couldn't sing "Eien ni Houmure" and songs like it in the original key, that'd probably be the end of the world. Though that won't happen—the range is manageable even for a professional male singer.

>649 "over blow" "Kyou no Kimi to Ashita o Matsu" I like them because the bass really stands out.

What is that mysterious voice in the interlude of "Kono Fuyu no Shirosa ni" saying? (Is it Yurippe's voice?) I hear something like, "Tsu-kidashiteー, akan deー, akan deー, yeah yeah," but that's definitely not it lol

I've always heard that part as, "Nekirashite! Kama henー, kama henー, yeeaahー," and I sing it that way too lol Yurippe is so stingy. The way >659 hears it sounds kind of dirty, but at least it's still Kansai dialect lol So what is she actually saying?

>659 I have no idea about the "tsukidashiteー" part. >"Akan deー, akan deー" I hear it as "Love again. Love again."

>660 >"Let me bargain!" People from Kyoto don't haggle as much as people from Osaka.

>662 No... um... that's not what I meant... I meant that's just how it sounds.

I cracked up lol

Maybe submit it to the GARNET☆RADIO mondegreen corner and ask lol "Push it out!" sounds dangerous, so let's go with "Let me bargain!" lol

>665 I sent it in ages ago already(´；ω；`)

>665 I wonder who came up with that one lol Hopefully they didn't consciously record it that way.

I like the recent singles too. Listening while watching the PV changed my impression of them. They'll definitely work well live, I think. So I'm looking forward to "STAY ~Yoake no Soul~."

Is the key change at live shows because of the tuning? I don't know anything about guitars. Someone knowledgeable, please explain.

Just like they layer the sound of several guitars during recording, the songs are built up in extremely fine detail at a higher key, so reproducing them live must be difficult. Yurippe could probably sing them, but if it hurts her pitch or volume, it's kinder to the fans to lower the key and let her sing steadily. Even lowered, she can reach hiD#, which is pretty high for a female artist. That's plenty good enough.

>670 I have no idea what the key names mean, but what song and which part is hiD#?

>671 The highest part of "Yume Mita Ato de." When you lower the key, it becomes that note—the black key above D, D#. I can get the general idea, but I'm not the kind of person who can identify it instantly by ear either. You need a keyboard, comparisons with other songs, or music software like Onkaikun to get an exact answer lol

>672 Thanks. I kind of get it now. I'm a woman and sometimes sing "Yume Mita Ato de" at karaoke, but there's no way I can hit the high notes in chest voice lol They're too high lol Now I understand how wide Yurippe's range is...

>672 Isn't the highest note in "Yume Mita" hiD# in the original key?

It's lowered by a half-step live, so I think the highest is hiD.

So she can hit hiD at this point. That's a perfectly respectable level, really. If she can use that range, I wonder where Yurippe switches to mixed voice.

She hits hiG for a moment in "wish★." "Watashi wa Kaze" has a sustained hiF#. "Tell Me" reaches hihiC in falsetto. Her range is pretty wide when you think about it.

Still, I wonder whether she could actually sing something like "Watashi wa Kaze" in the original key now. There's no telling whether she'd be stable or even able to produce the note. On the recording, it's definitely pretty high. I'm surprised because people often say elsewhere, including on karaoke boards, that GARNET CROW has lots of low songs that are easy to sing. It's true that they have some easy songs, but not that all of them are easy.

>677 I haven't heard the CD versions of "Tell Me" or "Pasadena no Baachan" yet. What are they like? Were both of those from the early days?

>679 Sorry, I meant "Tell Me."

>679 There is live (？) footage of "Tell Me" on YouTube. I don't know about "Pasadena no Baachan."

>681 I think it was on Nico Nico Douga. By the way, there's that story about Oyamada from Flipper's Guitar, one of Yurippe's favorites, making people eat shit back in middle school. Ozawa too. Their music is good, but they seem like the kind of people who'd make enemies wherever they go lol That's what I thought when I happened to find the CD.

I'm 680. Thanks, >681-682!

I finally understand why Yuri makes songs aimed at live shows. If she can project her voice that powerfully, then of course she would(´･ω･｀)

Is it true they're covering B'z at the fan-club event? But they picked "Mou Ichido Kiss Shitakatta," which isn't particularly high, huh lol Even women can sing that one easily. I can sing it too. It's one of the lower B'z songs.

>685 It's true. But if they're going to do a cover, I wish they'd sing a GARNET CROW song instead.

>686 I'd like to hear Gane cover B'z, but yeah, I'd rather they sing one of their own songs. Why did they end up covering B'z anyway? Either way, I'm not a fan-club member, so it has nothing to do with me orz

>687 Are you a closet fan? Or are you a student?

I've been curious about them for a loooong time, and finally became a fan this year. Now I'm completely hooked. With other artists I follow too, I don't even join the fan club, or buy singles unless I really, really like themー. Sorry for the self-introduction(´･ω･`)

>687 Apparently the official site put out an open call for suggestions, but I bet lots of people didn't know. Important announcements come by email, and nobody checks the site every day.

>690 Ohー, I see. So was "Mou Ichido Kiss Shitakatta" the popular choice? lol I guess they'll only cover songs from the same Being family.

>691 Of course they will lol

Even for B'z, the difficulty is only a little above the average female singer's level. So she can handle most songs, but even Yurippe would struggle with things like "Giri Giri" and "Real Thing Shakes"＾＾

Are there any GARNET songs that you just can't bring yourself to like?

>694 "yellow moon" (I think that's the right spelling?) Aside from "Rusty rail" and "Kakurenbo," I have a hard time with most of the songs on the TowaBare album... And probably "Namida no Yesterday" too. I feel like I struggle with a lot of the more recent songs.

Not really. I never even thought about it.

"Rai Rai Ya" is rough for me.

>694 Topics like this can basically turn into a fight, so drop it.

>698 Oh, is that how it is(´･ω･｀) I'll drop it. Thanks, everyone�d!

Because it'll only bring out negative opinions. I hope this thread, at least, doesn't turn into a fight.

Yeah. It would've been fine if the question was, "What's your favorite song?" Nobody feels good when a song they love gets named as someone else's least favorite lol

There aren't any people coming in spoiling for a fight, so I don't think this thread will get heated over something minor(｀･ω･´) Though it's true that negative opinions tend to come out lol

I'm 695. Sorry about that. Sorry to everyone who likes the songs I listed. It was only my personal opinion, so don't take it to heart.

>703 Now I feel bad too lol Don't worry about it!

My ID changed lol I'm >701.

I just looked in and what is this wholesome thread? (｀・ω・´)

ﾊｰｲ(´･ω･)人(^ω^ )ﾊｰｲ

I like "yellow moon," though.

Compared with the main thread, this one seems to agonize every time a new song comes out lol

(´ω｀)

"Hello Sadness" and "Stay," which I heard at the event, were pretty good. They're the kind of songs you can't remember after hearing them just once. And there's also "Rainy Soul," which Mochi declared a masterpiece, so I'm looking forward to the album.

Apparently some stores are playing "Stay." I'm insanely jealous.

>711 What was the intro to "Hello Sadness" like? I got curious after seeing the staff blog.

>713 It's insanely cool(｀･ω･´) Driving energy... no, that's not it. I can't put it into words, but it's just really cool(｀･ω･´)

>714 Hmm... I can't really picture it, but now I'm looking forward to itー.

>711 Playing devil's advocate here, but it's hard to judge when Mochi calls something a masterpiece.

At least the title is good. "Rainy Soul."

I wondered if "Rany Soul" had some kind of source or motif, and used the same title as a sort of homage, so I searched for it, but nothing in particular came up. Is this title original?

Sorry, I meant "Rainy."

Is anyone going to the live show?

>720 Which live show?

GARNET CROW NEW ALBUM "STAY ~Yoake no Soul~" Release Event Date: Saturday, October 3 Time: 14:00~ Place: Lazona Kawasaki Plaza, Rufa Square, Grand Stage To celebrate the release of GARNET CROW's new album "STAY ~Yoake no Soul~," out September 30, there will be a free live show! GARNET CROW's Yuri Nakamura (Vo.) and Hitoshi Okamoto (Gt.) will appear at Lazona for the first time! Customers who purchase the new album "STAY ~Yoake no Soul~" at the participating stores below will receive a ticket, first come first served, for the event held after the free live show. The members will hand out postcards at the event, so please come join us. There are two postcard designs. You'll be able to choose one design at the event. Customers with multiple event tickets may receive multiple postcards at once. To attend the event again, please line up again as directed by the staff.

>722 Is the live show just the two of them with karaoke backing? Will there be support musicians too? Either way, this is something they've never done before.

Having an event in the middle of the tour feels a little odd(´･ω･｀) Though I guess the release delay is what caused it...

>723 I guess it'll be a simple, light acoustic live show with just one acoustic guitar( ・∀・)y─┛~~ Something like a bonus where they play a few songs.

They were incredibly lovey-dovey at today's fan-club event too. What, you only show that emoticon to Yurippe?!

(ﾟДﾟ)Huh?

>726 Did you accidentally post this in the yuri thread? lol

>726 ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ Is the emoticon you use "(^ω^)" after all?

Nana-sama's playing had gotten bizarrely good... I could hardly believe she was the same person who used to flub the outro of "Yuzukuyo" lol Mochi's Matsumoto imitation was great—very cool! And thanks to Osaan's conversion, it also felt fresh to hear Nana-sama play a string sound.

Mochi could actually do the imitation (^ω^) I wish I could've heard it. Nana-sama used to be off with the timing in the intro to "Wasurezaki" too, and her tempo was unstable... Has she really gotten that good?

Actually, Nana-sama sounding a little iffy is partly a sound-balance problem too, right? On the previous album tour, Kurose's drums completely buried the synths, piano, and strings.

The drums were way too far forward yesterday too. I thought Shibuya meant I'd get there quickly and took my time, then ended up late. （´・ω・｀）

People have been complaining about the drums forever. And yet they haven't improved it at all(´･ω･｀)

>725 ( ・∀・)y─┛~~ ← This is cool. I'm taking it.

It's a sound issue, but Kurose's drumming itself doesn't suit Gane either. I want David's light, nimble fills. Kurose's drums sound cool when the song is meant to foreground the band feel, but Kurose always plays with that same groove.

I wonder where David went. Has anyone seen him lately? His background is kind of a mystery in the first place.

Here's someone who went to one GARNET CROW live show (I've been a fan since their debut single), but the drums were so loud that I never wanted to go again.

Sorry. http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q116106511 There was a question like this on Yahoo Chiebukuro. I wonder if it's true.

>736 Agreed. To put it harshly, Kurose seems kind of drunk on himself. Like, "Look how cool I am pounding the drums hard lol"(´･ω･｀)

>740 >Self-intoxicated. Well, musicians are probably all kinda like that lol Otherwise you couldn't keep doing it lol I don't mind them getting intoxicated at all, but they need to play in a way that actually fits the song. And besides, they're support members at the end of the day.

It's interesting that someone like Ohashi, a bassist from the metal scene, is there. And Oga even shows up on guitar. Gane's support members are a pretty random bunch. Though Gane doesn't exactly need twin guitars (ry They were originally a band built mainly around programmed tracks, so I don't think they need, or ask for, anything especially advanced or flashy from the rhythm section. The parts meant to grab your attention are the synth leads, piano, strings, that sort of thing.

Personally, I'd like a violin section. It's the arm part...

(´･ω･)「Don't be so hard on Kurose-san, everyone.」

Has the ticket for the first day arrived? It's already two weeks away, and mine still hasn't shown up.

Well, since this one's at a live house, it'll probably be Kurose. Maybe he'll play harder than usual.

>743 Mochi, good work! Somehow I can understand Mochi's feelings too, like an office lady in a cardigan and white slip-on shoes heading out to the office district on her lunch break lol

>741 But the support members' playing level is really high. Especially Oga, Ohashi, and Kurutani... Osaan and Mochi have done support work too, though.

>742 Lately they've been saying they're conscious of the band feel, and of playing live... Are they deliberately making the drums and guitar stand out more?

>741 Getting intoxicated is, well... But it feels like he gets so intoxicated that he forgets he's a support member(´･ω･｀) >742 I get what you mean, but I think it's fine for Live to be like that(´･ω･｀) It's just that when the drums are so loud they sound like nothing but noise, that's a problem.

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That drum makes me feel like I'm getting sick-drunk too, if you know what I mean.

In the Gane thread, Kurose is starting to get treated like Oga's old character lol At least nobody's grilling him about drumming technique like they did Kamei. That's one mercy. Not long ago, Oga was getting called out for masturbatory live performances, Komatsu's arrangements and programming being flimsy, not understanding what would sell, ruining the songs, and being Being's jinx. People were really brutal about him lol

>751 What are you to Kurose-san?

Oga gets on people's nerves because he sticks his nose in too much lol Mochi gets hate just for arranging too lol even though he keeps to himself(´･ω･｀)

>753 Some people disliked him, but basically he seemed to be valued. His arrangements were kinda weak, but I still want him at Gane's lives. Though maybe it's not great if he stands out more than the members.

Speaking of Oga, his "Spiral" at the Premium Live really stuck with me. I loved his jump during "mu-ne-ga"... But that right hand in "pray" at the Ninnaji Live—what the hell was that? Unforgivable(´･ω･｀)

>751 .....Ms. Sakai...!?

>751 Who even is that lol

>751 Please lower the drum volume from heaven.

If we had multi-instrumentalist Mochi play drums, it'd probably be a pretty restrained performance. Have Nana-sama play guitar, and God-Hand Osaan play piano and synth at the same time or something.

>751 Izumin's AA lol. This is the Gane thread lol Though for ZARD, Kurose really does fit better than Dave-san... I mean, Sakai-san can play drums, right? Have her play from heaven in Kurose's place lol

>761 If Nana-sama were to play something else, am I the only one who thinks the bassist's position would suit her? Rather than charging forward like a guitarist, she seems better suited to stepping back and supporting everyone around her. Though whether it's bass or guitar, there are people who stand out and people who don't.

And Yurippe would handle vocals and guitar.

The one time Mochi looks cool is when he's playing guitar. Wouldn't it be cruel to take that away from him(´･ω･｀) And you can't rule out Oga showing up either.

Going against the flow here, let me ask this as a test: what's Gane's most neo-acoustic / guitar-pop-ish song?

"君の家に着くまでずっと走ってゆく。" Either version works. The early version with its cheap programming and exquisite pop feel, and the album version with its percussion-like programming, refreshing chorus, and generally more stylish sound are both good.

I watched MUSIC FOCUS, and the album looks really damn good lol They introduced every song, and it felt like both new and old fans would like it. There were some lyric captions during "Stay," and Nana-sama's lyrics still sound great as ever. Come to think of it, Nana-sama said this album was written with Dazai Osamu as an inspiration (I forgot what the other two said, though), or something like that. Ahhhh, I'm getting super excited for the album!!!

"夏の幻" is good too. Though once it gets arranged, the guitar-pop ratio goes down. "Inspired by Dazai Osamu" sounds pretty cool, but lately that whole kind of phrasing hasn't really been working for Nana, so who knows~ Just throwing out a deliberately contrarian opinion.

"愛に似てる" was pretty good, wasn't it?

>767 Sorry to Osaan, but for "君の家" I prefer the indie version's arrangement. "簡単にhappy♪" is just too much（；´Д｀）

I like the single version of "君の家." It's by far my favorite arrangement out of all their songs.

Writing songs in their specialty, "neo-acoustic," is the proper path for GARNET CROW. The respect and trust they've built up from fans that way will eventually save GARNET CROW itself. That means far more than the petty gains and losses right in front of them.

For "君家," I like the single version's "何処にいてもはじまるから."

>774 For me, it's the high note in "過ぎてゆく時間に戸惑うなんてどうかしていたんだ." Hearing that part instantly turned me into a fan. Back then, even though I owned Gane CDs, they never really clicked with me and I barely listened to them. Then one day I pulled out their first album on a whim, and that beautiful high note hit me right in the sweet spot.

Whether it's from playing more and more lives, or simply getting older, it's interesting how she hasn't deteriorated but has actually gotten better. I think that every time. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that the new album looks really promising right now.

>776 I could understand saying someone who used to sing well has "deteriorated," but Yurippe wasn't that good to begin with, was she? Still, I loved Yurippe just the way she was. ...I want to hear the album already(´･ω･｀)

>777 (^ω^)「To think someone stole 777 from me...」

>778 Sorry, I should've given it to AZUKI-san...

Three days left—or two for the early birds, I guess. Just thinking about it has me full already.

I still haven't even taken 「花は咲いて ただ揺れて」 out of the CD shop bag. Because my stereo died ages ago（´д｀）ｳﾍｧ And it skips when I listen on my PC, so I can't bring myself to listen. What am I supposed to do?

I don't own a stereo, so I've been listening to CDs on my computer for the past ten years, but the other day this computer finally gave up the ghost... And I'm supposed to get the new album early tomorrow. What am I supposed to do...

Why not go to an internet café?

I-I suddenly realized just now how good 「花は咲いて ただ揺れて」 is(ﾟωﾟ;) It really is a song that grows on you...! By the way, how do you make one of those songs that grows on you? Does making the melody more complicated turn it into one?

First, prepare a squid.

Then roast it.

And then?

>782-783 Just buy a cheap CD stereo, duh. Or if the only thing that died for good was the hard drive, buy an external one.

I'm 783. >784 >789 Thanks! I'm not good with internet cafés, so... I'll make use of one when it really comes down to it! The monitor's fine, so an external drive might be the way to go! ...I might even buy a boombox too... I wanna hear Stay〜い!

Was that really worth bumping the thread for?

>791 ◆Beginners, old-timers, and regulars all welcome. Maybe just suggesting that people try to use sage when possible is enough?

>790 Q. How do I make a post number turn into a blue link (a reply anchor)? A. Use two half-width `>` characters followed by the reply number, all in half-width digits. You can also specify a range by connecting the numbers after `>>` with a half-width hyphen, like `>>1-10`. If your phone menu doesn't show `>>`, the 「写」 section below the thread list at `>>1` shows `>>1-10, >>11-20, >>21-30`. Q. One `>` also turns blue. A. Depending on the browser, it won't become a link unless you use `>>`, so doubling the `>` is the standard. For replies to nearby posts, you can distinguish them by using just one `>`. Q. What are age and sage? age (あげ) means moving a thread to the top of the thread list. The word comes from "raising." Posting automatically bumps it. sage (さげ) means typing `sage` in half-width characters in the mail field when posting, so you can post without changing the thread's order (without bumping it). Q. Why sage? A. To avoid making the thread an easy target for trolls and ads when it gets bumped. Some threads even have a rule that you must sage.

What a kind and cozy thread＾＾ Pretty rare on the hostile 2ch of today. I think having this kind of attitude is important. Anyway, the album's almost here. I'm looking forward to it; it seems like it'll wipe away the impression left by the previous album.

Should I listen to the songs I haven't heard yet, or listen straight through from the beginning?

The track order is also part of the creator's intent. Just listen from the beginning without overthinking it. Come on, CD.

I like eating Yoshinoya's "morning set" after a night shift, and yesterday 「花は咲いて〜」 started playing as the restaurant BGM. I turned around in surprise, and the food arrived at exactly the right moment. I was happily eating, thinking, "Breakfast feels different today~"... Then, sure enough, Yui Ichikawa came along and interrupted me. I'm usually glad to see her, but yesterday I wasn't having it.

This album is great, the flow is fantastic too, it's really good(｀･ω･´) Hallelujah

Sorry to interrupt while everyone's getting excited about the new release, but I only found them recently and started listening, and 「夢花火」 won't leave my head, so I listen to it several times a day lol I love it. I also like things like 「夢を見たあとで」.

I'm listening from the beginning right now. What a damn good crow. It's going on heavy rotation. Thanks, GARNET CROW.

Feeling sentimental(＾ω＾)

I kinda killed the mood. Sorry...

┐(￣ヘ￣）┌ ﾔﾚﾔﾚ･･

The previous album was better.

The seventh is the best. It's so well-made there's nothing left to complain about. "Fall in life" sticks out a little, but maybe it's a song for live shows. It threw me at first, but the soulful songs work surprisingly well too. There are fresh songs, dark songs, bittersweet songs, straight-up rock, and classic ballads; the overall construction is excellent too. But in the end, this album is all about 「恋のあいまに」. It's officially the best ballad of the 2000s.

Hmm. I haven't bought the album yet, but judging from the digest, it's kinda underwhelming... There are a few good ones, though. I dunno, they all feel a little small-scale. ROCKS was so good that this feels like I got totally playedｗ But I can't really say until I buy the album and listen to the full versions. As an album, the cohesion and flow seem good. Hallelujah is the best one.

>807 I guess our opinions are pretty much the exact opposite... It's interesting how many different kinds of people there are in the world. Still, I think this is going to be an album people are divided over. Though Gane's willingness to keep trying new things is one of their good points.

>807 You don't understand how good it is until you've listened to the full thing over and over. That's Gane quality.

ROCKS is the worst, obviouslyｊｋ

>807 >ROCKS was so good Are you trolling?

ROCKS has its own strengths(´・ω・｀)

Since they said "Fall in Life〜Hallelujah〜" was the best, I figure they like songs with a breezy feel. LOOKS has a lot of breezy songs too. The album tracks on this one are good, but it's also nice that the singles are easy to listen to. There were songs I thought were kinda iffy as singles, but within the album they do a good job without disrupting the flow.

>808 Yeah. I can see why more people would prefer this album to ROCKS. It's exactly the kind of album most Gane fans would probably like. >809 It's too soon to decide before you've even listened to it. Especially with Ganeｗ >810-811 My badｗ Don't knock other people's tasteｗ >813 That's right. I'm always drawn to breezy, catchy songs. It was a shock how the singles on ROCKS were messed up in the arrangements, especially since I really love 波家... This time they seem to blend in well, so it doesn't look like I have to worry about that.

Breezy ≠ catchy.

>815 I knowｗ Songs that are both breezy and catchy.

I think the only catchy song on ROCKS is 涙イエ.

To me, a lot of the songs on ROCKS are catchy.

Catchy means something like easy to remember, right? Compared with GARNET CROW's songs up to now, I think things like 「ふたり」 and 「Mr.Holiday」 count as catchy songs. ...And now we're back to talking about LOOKSｗ

Besides easy to remember, catchy also means something that sticks in your head and is likely to become popular. In that sense, the songs on ROCKS don't leave much of an impression... >820 I completely disagreeｗ Saying the sixth is Gane's essence is a fresh opinionｗ

Well, isn't the album you like allowed to be Gane's essence?ｗ

>822 Yeah. "Essence" basically means whatever you like or consider important, after all.

Sorry to interrupt while everyone's talking about the sixthｗ But yeah, 「恋のあいまに」 is the best~ I love this kind of melodic line in the chorus. And the lyrics are the best too~ No question, this has to be Gane's greatest masterpiece.

Stay -yoake ver.- 花は咲いて ただ揺れて -siient poet ver.- Rainy Soul -closer souls disco remex- 百年の孤独 -the clouds break ver.-

Personally, I'd rank them 4 > 2 > 6 > 5 > 3 > 7 > 1. I like them all, though. I feel like I'll like 7 even more once I've listened to it enough. >810-811 Everyone has their own taste, so don't say stuff like that.

It's release day, but there aren't many posts. Why aren't they more popular when they make such great songs?

>820 It's interesting when you can really feel the difference in people's tastesｗｗ Personally, I'd rank them 1 ≧ 2 > indie era > 4 ≧ 3 > 6 > 5. I haven't bought 7 yet, unfortunately, because I'm broke (I do have a jobｗ), so I can't say. I think 4 is a well-balanced album. 5 has some good songs when listened to on their own, but when you listen to it all the way through, the songs seem to fight each other. It's a little hard on the ears... I like the last two songs on 6, but somehow the album doesn't leave much of an impression...

>827 This thread was never particularly active to begin with... I wonder if they'd sell better with advertising like B'zｗ

ON THE WAY is so damn good. Up until the chorus.

ON THE WAY is so damn good. From the chorus onward.

ON THE WAY is so damn good. The whole thing（´・ω・｀）.

The intro is so great, though. The chorus, though...

「恋のあいまに」 has some clipping in the audio.

I ordered the album from Amazon, but it still hasn't arrived. I should've bought it in a store...

>830 The chorus is such a shame~ I can see why Mochi said he likes "Rainy Soul." It sounds like a song he wroteｗ

I wanna lick Nana's pussy.

Uploading the full audio to Nico Nico Douga on the album's release day isn't something a fan should do.

>838 I already sent an email to the official website, but who knows if they'll do anything about it...

>840 Even if they're criminals, they don't actually get arrested, right?

GIZA's the only one who can do anything about it.

Honestly, I wasn't expecting much from the seventh before it came out, but it's been ages since an album gave me goosebumps like this. On the other hand, I can totally see a lot of people finding it unsatisfying because it's put together almost too beautifully. Personally, on 5 and 6 I felt Yurippe's voice was losing to the melodies, or rather, her strong personal color came through too much and I couldn't get into them. This one is easier to get into (easier to listen to). People who like 5 and 6 will probably rate it differently.

The intro and A-section of ON THE WAY have this adult, sophisticated vibe, so how did it end up like this...!!

>843 I don't think her singing style has changed that much this time either, though? Do you mean the songs have started to suit her voice better? >844 You'd have to ask Yurippe about thatｗ

They should let Osaan write and arrange a song however he wants, just once...!!

I've decided. I'm going to buy a stereo next Saturday. I got the album early, and this is what I get? It's torture.

>843 I'm a listener who likes 5 and 6, and honestly I feel exactly that way too—it leaves me wanting more. Figures. The guitars are much more restrained than on the previous two, and it's painful. The credits don't list it, but the mix on 「夢のひとつ」 is subtly different too, isn't it? It has more impact.

The main thread got insanely heated when ROCKS came outｗ The fifth was kind of poorly received too. Personally, I was more like, "Why can't people enjoy change?" Actually, I don't think Gane is for people who pick and choose based on genre.

I just can't get into 6. I can listen to 5 now, but I couldn't before. I don't really like DOING〜... I bought the album, but I always skip this song...

Isn't it strange(´･ω･｀) that people who like LOOKS don't bash 1–4, while some people who like 1–4 bash 5 and 6?

>851 People have been posting things in the main thread like, "If you don't understand what's good about ROCKS, go listen to Girl Next Door," and "creepy otaku."

Oh, I guess they weren't bashing 1–4ｗｗ

While listening to the first track, "Hello Sadness," and reading the lyrics, I suddenly wanted to kiss the Yurippe on the opposite page... But I somehow managed to hold myself back. Heh.

>854 Go do that kind of thing in the main threadｗ

I don't have the album yet since I'm planning to buy it at the event, but from what I've heard of the songs in various places, it's a god-tier album(ノД`) Aaaaaah It feels like Furu-san's keyboards really shine throughout this album. What do those of you who bought it think?

Are the three booklets all the same? (I bought A, and the contents look like A's cover photo too...)(´･ω･`)

"Stay" is Japan's version of "I'll Be There." Maybe it's Furu-san's own way of paying tribute to MJ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6bARIaMhCM

In the photo in front of the carousel, Osaan looked like he had horns growing out of his head.

Someone had uploaded full versions of every song to Nico Nico, but naturally they've been taken down. I doubt it was because I reported it to the official site, but at least it's gone.

The new release is damn good, man. I haven't felt electricity running through my whole body from Gane in ages. I like "on the way" and "STAY." The backing-vocal phrases are delicious, and that first burst of Yurippe's voice in the chorus of "STAY" has so much bite. Gives me chills...

>845 It feels like the melody finally synced up with her voice and found its landing point. I'm a hardcore old-timer who was hooked after listening to 1 and 2, but I think 7 has pulled at least some of the people who liked 1 and 2 back in. They're starting to strike a good balance between new and old fans, but compared with the world of 5 and 6, this one is softer and rounder, while compared with 1 and 2, it feels like the songs have lost some depth (not that they're shallow). Still, judged as an album, I think this is their most complete work. The flow from tracks 6 through 8 is especially good. Even the unpopular 4 doesn't have a song that makes you think "This is the one!" but its overall level is even and the album is highly polished. I see this as the first time GARNET CROW has smoothed out the individuality of each song and tuned them into a cohesive work.

It really does feel like an album called "STAY〜夜明けのSoul〜." It keeps Gane's original characteristics, while also feeling like they're taking on something new.

Rock, then soul—blues must be next, right?

Take Mochi out and bring in a vocalist.

It's an album packed with incredibly individual songs. I've always liked 「夢のひとつ,」 and I'm glad it doesn't get overwhelmed by all that individuality. I compare Gane's songs to a hole dug deep underground. Everything else is rain. Rain ends when it falls and stops, but with a hole whose depth you can't see, you don't know how far down you can go. And on top of that, you can keep digging it yourself. Hmm~ That's deep.

It feels like the singles are doing a good job. That's the impression I get.

Everyone's analysis is so sharp... I just get completely absorbed in listening, and after replaying it way too many times my head's all fuzzy and I can't think about anythingｗ

>863 Oh wow. I agree with all of that. Personally, I think it's their greatest masterpiece... which makes me worry again about where they can go from here. Being able to enjoy change is definitely important, but I still can't really listen to albums 5 and 6 and end up deleting them... Anyway, I've been lurking in the main thread lately, so coming over here and seeing all these sensible replies was reassuring.

>870 Strongly agree. I also think it's unquestionably their greatest masterpiece. If they broke up on their 10th anniversary, it would be a beautiful swan song, but I really want to hear more Gane albums, so I have mixed feelings. Also, the main thread seems a little better now that there are fewer obscene posts than before.

Huh? What's this? Are there rumors they're breaking up?

>872 Just my personal fantasy. I don't think they'll break up for a while as long as Being doesn't go under. B'z seem to be doing pretty well lately too. They're surprisingly persistentｗ

>871 The thread's only getting more and more negative, so maybe we shouldn't talk about breaking upｗ I mostly look at the main thread for event info and reports.

At yesterday's live show, Nana-san told the members, "Let's play tons of live shows (heading toward our 10th anniversary)!" It really moved meｗ Nana-sama's motivated.

Don't stop at ten years—let's go for twenty, like LINDBERG~

Doesn't the opening after the intro of "Hello Sadness" make you feel like crying?

Looks like GIZA is more likely to go bankrupt first than GARNET CROW's own sales are to slump, which is worrying. The event was great. I don't want them to break up.

The way the chorus of "Hello Sadness" keeps piling on is incredible. There’s something really satisfying about Nana-san's "~te, ~te" lyrics. I still want them to play it as the first song live—somehow without lowering the key.

>878 >Looks like GIZA is more likely to go bankrupt first. Even if you think that, you shouldn't write it in a place like this.

>881 Sorry.

>881 Really?

I went and bought the album. I like ON THE WAY.

The intro to "Hello Sadness" really brings out something wild. It's such an RPG background track that you want to ask, "Which dungeon is this?"ｗ The intro to "百年の孤独" felt like that too, but they really show all kinds of different directions. Though I guess that makes people call them an anime-song band even more. I think Osaan has a really broad range when it comes to pad synths, strings, and synth arrangements, and he keeps creating such a wonderfully varied palette of sounds. The drums are, well, what they are.

When it comes to impactful intros, even though it's an old song now, "Naked story" is still the best, right? Though it does sound kind of like a game or anime at the same time.

I remember thinking the short intro to "only stay" leading into the first chorus was insanely cool.

I like Eririn the best. I want them to show the whole PV.

Eririn?

>888 You mean Elysium? Isn't the DVD included with the first pressing of 「花は咲いて」 the whole thing?

I just listened to the album for the first time, and her voice really is muffled...('A`) It's bothering me...('A`)

It was intentional in the production.

http://speedo.ula.cc/test/r.so/yutori7.2ch.net/mnewsplus/1254561640/l10n?guid=ON There's a thread on the entertainment-and-sports board too.

I have a really strong aversion to buying multiple copies of the same CD—well, the whole multiple-sales thing, I guess. Maybe I'm being full of myself, but it feels like doing that destroys the equal relationship between fans and artists. I won't deny that Gane has an idol-like side, but they're supposed to be competing through their music, after all. I wonder what the members themselves think about that.

>894 They probably tell themselves that, even if they don't like it, CDs as a whole just aren't selling these days, so it's unavoidable if they want to survive. I mean, if they went against the label's policy, Gane itself wouldn't be able to keep going.

Even if they don't like it, if it's company policy, the members can't really say anything.

Limited Edition A. The PV for 「夢のひとつ」. Where is that hilltop?

>893 isn't just a dangerous post number—the link itself is dangerous too. Virus Buster gave me a warning.

If you're so opposed, just don't buy it. It's not like anyone's begging you to. I've never understood the psychology of people who hate the multiple-copy sales thing. It just seems like they vaguely dislike it based on the image of it.

>900 Nice one! I had a feeling it looked kind of Kobe-ish, and I guessed right.( ´∀｀)

The local Yodobashi Camera didn't have a single copy left. Guess it's selling pretty well.

>899 I agree with the first half, but not the second. The image might be part of it, but it's probably because the tracklists are different.

>899 The problem is that it's bundle sales. In this case, if you want both the DVD and the "bonus" CD, you have to buy two copies of the actual album.

Well, I can understand how they feel. The company probably doesn't really want to sell things this way either. I guess that's how desperate things are.

Seeing Mai Kuraki getting promoted like crazy, you can tell that even though Gane's name recognition and expectations are nowhere near as high, the company really wants their steady Gane Crows to make some serious money too.

I wonder who's making the rearranged songs. If they're being made somewhere away from Gane's own hands just to run this different-version sales scheme, I'll be sad.

Was "Stay" Ikeda-san's work, and the rest Furu-san's?

I finally bought one! A mini stereo. Every time, I think the smell of the lyric booklet makes it feel even more like a new release and gets me all excited. I never expected the first track ("Hello Sadness") to make me cry.

>909 The person who had been putting off buying the seventhｗ I was actually wondering about that. Listening in the silence of the middle of the night or dawn really makes you sink into it. I get so immersed that I can't fall asleep...

You only understand the true value of Gane's songs once you let yourself sink into them, right?

People call it bundle sales, but with the visuals included, it feels like a work in its own right rather than just some bonus. Of course there are commercial considerations, but the single PVs felt all the more carefully made because of that.

I cried so much listening to 「日々のほとり」 that my nose got stuffed up.

Watching the PVs again, I thought the four singles were balanced and put together well to fit the album. "夢のひとつ" takes a story-like approach; "百年の孤独" is set on the stage of a story; in "DOING-" it's just Yurippe with live footage behind her; and 「花は〜」 has the traditional full-band performance. It feels like they've taken an objective new look at the appeal of a band about to reach its 10th anniversary. At first I thought releasing limited singles with DVDs attached was pretty overbearing, but at the end of the day you can just not buy them—and maybe the quality really is good enough to warrant including them.

As Yurippe says, "STAY," which is also the album title, has a slightly jazzy, adult atmosphere. Even on the first album they showed hints of acid jazz and R&B, but now that they've gained experience as a band (though maybe they were already a finished form to begin with), it might be nice for them to express an even more stylish atmosphere.

>A jazzy, adult atmosphere. I see. That's a good way to put it. At first I listened and thought, "What the hell is this?" but after a while it started sounding really good. Somehow Yurippe...

Continuing... Somehow it feels like something Yurippe would like... But I didn't know how to put it. Thanks.

I also thought the melody of "STAY" sounded a little soulful.

Seeing >904 got me thinking: I wish they'd sell both the PV DVD and the rearrangement CD together for, say, ¥5,250. I don't know how many people would buy both, but bundling the bonuses and raising the unit price seems like it would make more money. At least, even if you bought both, one of the actual album copies would probably just get neglected anyway. This would avoid waste, at least...

I've learned that you can't get by on pretty words alone.

GIZA isn't the only one doing the multiple-version sales thing, so aren't you aiming your criticism at the wrong target? Recently the AKB sales scheme at events became an issue: fans were buying piles of CDs, and it was considered unhealthy, so Oricon put a cap on how much event sales can count toward the rankings and decided to investigate more strictly. Isn't this multiple-version business a problem for the whole industry, including Oricon?

If Oricon said it wouldn't recognize CDs sold in multiple versions, wouldn't everyone stop doing it?

If anything, it feels like they're only now starting to seriously get into the multiple-version sales thing. Back when they weren't doing it, people said they lacked motivation. Some even said not using the scheme was their one good point.

I only just realized that even Gane CDs can have completely different sound quality from album to album. I feel like the best-of album has by far the best sound quality. That's not just my imagination, right?

It was just my imaginationｏｒｚ My apologies（´・ω・｀）

The scene of the waves in Sagan—it's dawn after all, right?

>926 The indies stuff definitely has worse sound quality, though.

>928 I somehow find that forgivable in its own way.

I'm completely hooked on the "enu" part of 「愛しさだけじゃわかり合えぬこと知りました」.

>927 I've read Sagan, but I don't think there was a dawn scene. If anything, I picture a seaside under the blazing midday sun.

>931 Thanks. So that's what the blazing passion means. Unrelated, but STAY has a lot of songs involving beaches, rain, water, and the like.

Sorry to interrupt the new-album talk. I'm not very knowledgeable about guitars and stuff, so could someone tell me: how good is Mochi as a guitarist, in the eyes of people who know music?

The pecking order inside the agency is... Takahiro Matsumoto ≫ Michiya Haruhata ≫ Takashi Masuzaki ≫ Yoshinobu Oga ≫ Mochi ( ^ω^) Go for it, Oka-Mocchi.

>933 There should be a thread about things like skill level.

>930 I'm hooked on the "yure" part of 「君の揺れる髪」.

Mochi is kind of average, neither good nor bad. More than anything, in the guitar parts Oga eats him alive, and Osaan eats him alive when it comes to riff arrangements, so his only option is to play quietly. >934 If you include old Being, Shibasaki and Tagawa would fit somewhere between Haruhata and Masuzaki. >935 That place seemed to be full of metal and fusion nerds(^ω^) I get that the technical standard is high, but pure technical supremacy is no good. Of course, Masuzaki gets rated absurdly highly because he comes from a fusion band. It's like comparing them with opera or enka and saying J-pop is technically inferior, so it's lower-class.

I watched the ending of ARMS's "call my name" for the first time in ages, and it made me nostalgic. That bit right after "存在して〜いた〜ね〜" where the people switch is just too much.

>934-935 >937 I see. Thanks.

>940 Oh, so that's how it is. Thanks.

He really rocks out at those non-GARNET CROW lives at the bread factory.

>933 There isn't anything that instantly stands out. Nothing where you hear one phrase and think, "Huh!? Is that Mochi on guitar!?"

>943 GARNET CROW values the flow of the song, so there's no need for him to stand out.

I'm broke, but I finally saved enough to buy the new album. Is it already impossible to get the first-press version with the poster...?

Mochi really went for it on that B'z song at the fan event. It had a nice flavor; I thought it was good. The same goes for Gane songs: it's nice that he doesn't overpower them. It's the opposite of masturbatory playing, so I think it suits Gane.

>945 What a coincidence. I'm in exactly the same situationｗ

>946 Gane has its own quirks, so I feel like strong, distinctive guitar would suit them too.

If Mochi had a strongly self-assertive personality, I think he'd have left Gane ages ago. GARNET CROW probably works precisely because he's so understated.

In a girl-favored group, the men are trapped and can't stand out. Avex is even more extreme—apparently their contracts actually say the men aren't allowed to stand out.

Not just Osaan and Mochi—the men backing GIZA's girls are all pretty low-key. Is that why Oga doesn't belong to a group (can't join one, can't keep one going)? There are all-male groups too, but they seem to be selling themselves on their looks.

What about OOM?

OOM is a group by Oga, for Oga, isn't it? They're already on hiatusｗ

They do have an idol-ish quality, but in reality they're a unit centered on music. As a fan, I'd like to see them go beyond the GIZA-girl framework and take on all kinds of styles. But being locked into a formula—like having the backing work a certain way—has ultimately helped extend the unit's lifespan, so it's complicated~ >948 The early stuff had a somewhat thin quality to it, so that was understandable, but with her current tone, it feels like she could do a lot more( ・∀・)y─┛~~ Well, this isn't about guitar, but the way they handle string arrangements with synth-string tones even in ballads could be a form of self-expression too. Though really, that's just Being's production budget (ry

>953 Seriously? The official site was still active, so I thought they were still going.

There's a rule that, for every album (excluding the indie one), track 6 is basically a masterpiece to me. For the fourth album, though, track 8 was the masterpiece. But somehow "ON THE WAY" feels like an evolved version of "fill away." >954 Yukio, long time no see. I don't listen to the other GIZA girls' songs, so I don't know what that framework is like. What do you mean by it?

>956 Hey( ・∀・)y─┛~~ I don't mean anything specific about the GIZA girls, just the things already mentioned: the backing being low-key, and structurally the men not being able to stand out. I'd like Gane to move beyond that and show us all kinds of musical possibilities, but staying within that formula has also extended the unit's lifespan, created its unique atmosphere, and produced the members' appealing personalities, so it's a difficult balance. Their own personalities are part of it too. At the end of the day, everything centers on Nakamura-san's vocals and songwriting, and the members themselves are satisfied focusing on that kind of production. It feels like they have freedom within it, and anyway we get to hear all kinds of sounds, so ultimately I'm satisfied with things as they are.

STAY satisfied me so much that I think I'll tone down my calls for an Osaan-composed-and-arranged song a little.

A lot of the recent songs have a heavy, full-bodied feel. I'd like to hear some more of that light, stylish early sound again. Something like "Timing."

Yeah, but wouldn't it be nice to have one or two songs like that?

>961 Hmm, personally I'd rather they didn't. And that's not just Gane. It'd be different if they'd always been a group built around that kind of setup.

Personally, I'm against it too. They've always stuck to the process of starting with a song composed by Yuri, then lyrics by Nana, then a God-Hand arrangement. The idea is that because Yuri composes the songs, Nana can write the lyrics and Yuri can sing them. Sorry to the male members, but... It'd probably hit me as hard as hearing: "Mom, I'm divorcing Dad."

Was "Timing" really stylish?

>964 Sorry, I phrased that badly. Not exactly stylish, more like... Maybe R&B-ish... I don't know how to put it（´・ω・｀）

I kinda get what you meanｗ Personally, when I think stylish, I think of "oneday" from Hi-speed Special.

>966 Exactly! That kind of sound.

I love "Timing." I wonder if they could sing it live someday. ...Probably impossible, huh?orz

>968 "in little~" and "未完成~" made it onto the best-of, but "Timing" didn't, so it doesn't look like they'll ever sing it.

A lyric fragment about the timing drifting out of sync~♪

Another lyric fragment: pretending not to notice.

And another: wondering how long they can keep riding it out~

The lyric continues with an image of an invisible tomorrow that never arrives.

Out of all the single and album covers, which one do you like best?

I like the retro-looking one for "涙のイエスタデー."

>975 Yeah, that one's good.

They should have Mochi sing songs Gane doesn't usually perform. They absolutely should try it on this album tour. The songs on STAY are obviously good too, but it'd be interesting to get some rare, hardcore B-sides with Mochi singing them.

"Sparkle" is great. Yurippe's cuteness on the cover and the song itself both represent GARNET CROW at their peak.

Looking at the cover of "二人のロケット" hit me with an incredible wave of nostalgia... Even though I wasn't a Gane fan back then.

Yurippe dressed as a panda in "flying" is the best.

I can't take it anymore... In "Stay," the line about waiting for the day it's released keeps sounding to me like waiting for the day my nose starts running...orz

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（・∀・）A lyric fragment about being just about to take off♪

（・∀・）The next lyric mentions an old woman sitting beside them♪

（・∀・）Then a lyric about wanting to be loved even more♪

（・∀・）A lyric fragment about close friends, pinky promises, and getting wet in the rain♪

（・∀・）A shouted lyric telling someone to run♪（ehhh♪）

（・∀・）A long, drawn-out call of "Stay"♪

（・∀・）A lyric about giving it a try♪

（・∀・）More sung syllables♪

(・∀・)A playful sung exclamation♪

(・∀・)I used to hear it as a line about a blazing fireball (maybe a will-o'-the-wisp?)♪ That's what I always thought it said.

（・∀・）A lyric fragment comparing a once-blooming flower to something that eventually withers♪

( ^ω^) "Filling the thread~♪"

( ^ω^) Fill

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