【由利】GARNET CROW part15【七】

This is a thread for general chatting centered around GARNET CROW. Let's talk about a wide range of things together, and have fun. ◆ Keeping things relaxed is recommended. A too-hostile atmosphere is (・A・) no good ◆ No trolling, attacking named users, etc.; ignore them. ◆ Newbies, old-timers, and named users are all welcome. ◆ Don't cause trouble for or bash other artists or threads. ◆ Finally...There will still be "lovely music" in this world. Previous thread 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part14【Nana】 http://anchorage.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1255254504/

Past threads 【Yuri】 GARNET CROW 【Nana】 http://music2.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1050524388 【Yuri】 GARNET CROW II 【Nana】 http://music2.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1050524388/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW 03【Nana】 http://music5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1122031082/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW 03 part2【Nana】 (effectively part 4) http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1166779350/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part5【Nana】 http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1176893626/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part6【Nana】 http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1191322341/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part 7【Nana】 http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1200241988/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part8【Nana】 http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1203660376/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part9【Nana】 http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1205851574/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part 10【Nana】 http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1206516774/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part11【Nana】 http://mamono.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1206992098/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part12【Nana】 http://mamono.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1220156951/ 【Yuri】GARNET CROW part13【Nana】 http://anchorage.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicj/1235049082/

Artists I recommend to GARNET CROW fans: (This list was put together after discussions among the thread regulars. Everyone's tastes are different, of course, so please understand that.) PAATOS / Kallocain Chihiro Onitsuka / Insomnia hyde / ROENTGEN the brilliant green / the brilliant green Pain Of Salvation / The Perfect Element Part I GRAPEVINE / From a small town ACIDMAN / equal Nick Drake / Pink Moon Sean North / Story Neverend Jun Shibata / Hitori Do As Infinity / BREAK OF DOWN rumania montevideo / rumaniamania the cranberries / everybody else is doing it, so why can't we? Spitz / Hachimitsu Anri Kumaki / Sappūkei Ringo Sheena / Muzai Moratorium Radiohead / OK Computer THE BACK HORN / Ningen Program Cloudberry Jam / Fun'iki-zukuri Bjork / Vespertine Evanescence / Fallen The Cardigans / Gran Turismo — new! OLIVIA / The Lost Lolli — new! Corrections, additions, and all kinds of opinions are very welcome. Let's keep discussing and adding to the list together with the thread regulars.

>1-3 A乙UKI七

>1 A future just for Otsu.

>1 If you stretch this Otsu out... That thing from the previous thread about them starting to emphasize getting the crowd fired up at live shows and so on — it's kind of like Do As, which turned into the much-discussed Avex quality, isn't it? Leaving the change in direction aside.

>1, otsu I cracked up at “やってみりゅ” lol

>1 Otsu

>1 Timeless Otsu

Lost to the rain, lost to the wind, and still, >1, otsu. By the way, I think the paper CD cases like the ones for 5th AL and 6th AL have a nice feel to them. What do you guys think? For singles, I like the one for “Maboroshi” too.

>1 Otsu Mita Ato de You mean those things called digipaks? The one for Towa Bare got a bad reputation because the lyric card made it bulge when you put it in lol I kind of like it, though.

I'll recommend an artist again, since it's been a while since I updated the list. Syrup16g — I・N・M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VicoMvuB9s They've already broken up, but this downer atmosphere is really good. It conveys the ennui and sense of emptiness well, though it's different from Gane, and has a kind of desperate, self-destructive feeling in it. I've been into them lately, so here's one song.

>10-11 I'm kind of neurotic lol Handling a digipak takes a ridiculous amount of care, so it's exhausting~ lol But I guess digipaks are better at giving a CD some character, or expressing its whole aesthetic, you know? Not just with Gane, either. Still, whether it's a digipak or a plastic case, it comes down to the design lol

I only have the regular edition of LOCKS. Is the first pressing a digipak too?

I liked the accordion-fold lyric card for “Yume・Hanabi.”

Who is the male voice saying “Timeless sleep~” right after “Iki wo Fukikomu Deshou” in “Eimin”?

>16 It's not a male voice lol I think it's Yurippe's backing vocals.

>14 Yeah, that's right.

>12 Syrup makes me feel sluggish when I listen to them. But it's a pleasant kind of sluggishness. They feel like a “negative-positive” band. >16 It's not a guy lol

>18 Oh, I see. I don't own it, but STAY was only the regular edition that came in a digipak, right?

風とRAINBOW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1v59yjViq8 0:49~ Those were the days http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNVit7cesj8 0:27~ Waaah lol They're identical lol Latest single's first-week sales: 13,823 copies ← wwwwwwwwww

I wonder if Yurippe is actually writing songs properly?

>21 I cracked up because there wasn't even a line saying, “They quietly got a god-tier tie-up, too.”

The fact that they have antis means they must have built up a real career. Still, it's honestly sad that most of my family and friends react with, “Those people are still around?” Only a handful of friends who are into music even remember that they exist. It's a shame.

There are people like me who became fans recently, so it's fine. Though I got into them by listening to their early works lol

It'd be such a waste if they didn't do more activities when they're making such good songs. Are GARNET CROW actually making money from this?

Well, their cumulative sales consistently break ten thousand. But from here on, there aren't many live shows, which are the key to making money.

Live shows don't make that much money, do they? If the merch doesn't sell, you're in the red. Still, selling ten thousand should make them some money somehow. It doesn't look like they spend much on the budget lol

You can't make money from releases, so working hard with live shows in venues is important.

Do more live shows already.

Ever since “瀬来也” (sorry if I got the kanji wrong), GARNET CROW has captivated me, and the more songs I listen to, the more I like them because they suit my taste. But at live shows and stuff, do people who aren't young stick out? Is a 40-year-old lady standing alongside elementary schoolers really that out of place?

>31 I don't think there are many elementary schoolers, but apparently there are quite a few older people. Also, it's the character “籟.”

・Mostly men (not that there are no women; there are couples too) ・A wide range of ages ・Quiet live performances and crowd energy There isn't any particular way you're supposed to get into it, so both first-timers and people who aren't used to live shows can enjoy themselves and listen in peace.

When I went to a live show, there was a normal group of women in their 40s there. I got the feeling there were more people in their late teens to early 20s, but there were also lots of men over 30 wwwwwwwwww, and they were all creepy as hell www

You lol You could've wrapped that in a little more euphemism lol

>34 Sorry for making you uncomfortable. I won't go anymore.

At least it's not one of those closed-off idol or voice-actor live shows. It's a live show you can invite people to, for starters. With the ones mentioned above, you can't enjoy them at all unless you understand that whole scene.

Not that different lol

>32 >33 I see. So the age range really is pretty broad. Sorry, my home computer doesn't offer “籟” as a conversion candidate for “ライ.” > There isn't any particular way you're supposed to get into it, so both first-timers and people who aren't used to live shows > can enjoy themselves and listen in peace. That sounds nice. >34 I'm jealous of you — a whole group, too. There aren't many people around me who like GARNET CROW.

Sorry to derail the flow, but when Mochi Cream was brought out on GT Special, Yurippe went, “Aaaass!” ... lol That voice is scary lol Was she an ex-delinquent? lol

>38 Leaving Yurippe's singing aside, I don't think watching a Gane live DVD makes you recoil right away. But that perfect audience groove with glowsticks, like at voice-actor and idol shows, is pretty wild even through a DVD lol

>41 Are your ears rotten? lol If you watch a live DVD, the A and B sections have this deep, sticky groaning and almost inaudible muttering, like bubbles gurgling up from sludge on the ocean floor. Of course you'd be completely put off.

Then go watch a voice-actor or idol show lol You'll understand that what leaves the strongest impression on the viewer is the atmosphere of the whole live show. After seeing one, you won't care about the quirks of any individual vocalist.

...This incredibly pointless argument is still going, so here's a commercial break.

Commercial's over. Well, the main thread might be even worse than the voice-actor and idol ones lol

I became a fan recently, but honestly, watching live footage on YouTube made me recoil a little. The glowsticks, the screens displaying the lyrics... Does the band actually like that kind of atmosphere?

Even major artists use glowsticks for ballads these days. As for the screens displaying the lyrics... you can read between the lines.

Without that, it wouldn't be Yurippe's singing (ry Oh, looks like someone is coming... whoa, what are you doing (ry

I see Nana-san came. Got it.

Sorry, this might not be the place for this, but I was thinking of making a thread on the Worst Board specifically to bash the troll who's been clinging to the main thread. However, my IP is under a thread-creation restriction, so it looks like I won't be able to make one for a while... I have the title and template ready, so is there anyone who could make the thread for me?

Sorry, I asked the thread-creation request desk instead. Sorry for cluttering up the thread.

It's up. Come by if you're bored. Thread to bash the Johnny's otaku nesting in the GARNET CROW thread http://mamono.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/tubo/1276202272/

Well, for some people it builds up more stress than the vocal tone itself, I guess. It's fine if you can listen to the lyrics as just sound, but what Yurippe is singing (ry Oh... looks like someone is coming.

With “silence,” I want to forgive her for stubbornly calling サイレン “sairan,” but I just can't. When she lowers the key live, her distinctive low-mid range sometimes sounds strained instead.

Not a period — I meant “でした.”

Her voice was so low at a live show that for a moment it felt occult lol It was an incredibly low voice, like she could put a curse on you lol

There is supposedly a legend that Yurippe's low voice can make even a crying baby stop crying.

Even if she lowers it, it's only a semitone, right? Why does it get so damn low? lol

I can understand lowering the old songs, but she lowers the recent songs too. Why don't they set the original key at a pitch she can sing comfortably?

Well, before even getting to actually singing a song the way it was meant to be sung at that range, there must be a little artist's struggle behind it. Even lowering a song by a semitone can change how some songs sound quite a bit.

The low part of “Trans Trap” being impossible to make out is ridiculous.

But that's what makes it good. The Friday anime, *Angel Beats!*, used Gane as a motif. The heroine's name is Yurippe, the song played in the show is “Crow Song,” and the title of the first installment of the novel published in another magazine to fill in the gaps from the main story is “Futari no Rocket.” Being used by a famous eroge writer is so Gane in every possible sense, or whatever lol

Nakamura-san doesn't use vibrato at all, does she? It's an effective technique for making people think you can really sing, and I think it's one of the reasons people often say her voice is creepy lol But she must have her own unique view of vocals, or some particular convictions.

>62 Maeda, huh? Now that's nostalgic. CLANNAD and AIR did a lot for me, but he wrote an anime too? >63 Well, there's no need to use it anyway. Frankly, it's in the way.

>12 I knew the name, but this was my first time listening to them. That languid feeling is really pleasant.

Syrup broke up, huh~ I listened to them for a while because I liked that “so what, bring it on” attitude, that desperate, self-destructive feeling. They seemed to look at the world from one step back, having understood that impossible is impossible and no good is no good, and then deciding to do whatever they could anyway. “Karma of God” and “Life” are both great songs. I think GARNET CROW fans could get into them pretty easily. >65 That song is good too. “Let yourself be rolled around by the confusion you can't completely ignore for the rest of your life” is the best kind of negative-positive, I think.

There was a time when they were called one of Japan's three great gloomy bands. Not because they were pretending to be tragic or self-harming, but because they had this resigned, giving-up-on-everything mood from beginning to end.

>62 The character's surname in the anime being Nakamura made me laugh my ass off.

They even brought “GARNET CROW” straight into *MÄR* as the name of a move. It really is an otaku magnet lol

U is finally on the new release aaaaaaaaaa It's one of my personal top-three masterpieces, but it never got to see the light of day for such a long time... I'm seriously so happy.

There are way too many masterpieces, so even really good songs get buried. That's Gane for you. Wait, “Koi no Aima ni” isn't on it! GORAA!

There are lots of hidden masterpieces among the album tracks and B-sides. Not just with Gane; a lot of artists are like that.

Could someone who owns the DVD tell me something? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5leNLF5RC8 Does “call my name” get cut off halfway on the DVD too? If it doesn't, I'd like to buy it.

>72 While a lot of artists get carried away by the popularity of their already-released singles and end up shortchanging the album tracks, it's actually pretty rare to have so many outstanding songs on the albums and B-sides. Anyway, what do you think of the symphonic concert?

If anything, with recent Gane, it feels like B-sides and album tracks >> singles lol

>73 The DVD has it all the way to the end. Don't worry.

>75 Was OverDrive any good?

>76 Thanks! I ordered it right away.

>75 I feel like that trend started when the *MÄR* tie-up began.

Please keep it sage.

>74 I look through all kinds of artists' threads, and it feels like every fandom says the coupling tracks are better than the singles lol

Hyper bump time.

GARNET CROW is still maintaining its coupling-track standards. It's about time we got some mystical, intense sounds with a touch of gothic, like “Nogarere no Machi.”

I think “Go for it” is a very Gane-like mystical, intense song. Maybe it's too understated, so people don't talk about it much.

I'm the opposite; I don't need intense songs. I want them to pursue a more ambient direction. Give us more songs like “Mizu no Nai Hareta Umi e.”

>84 The chorus is very much current Gane, for better or worse. It doesn't feel very stylish. The way the synth strings and guitar backing come together in “Nogarere no Machi” is really cool. It's not like the current sound, where the guitar is simply pushed to the front.

Doesn't “ambient” mean something like the album Old Man put out?

Even though it's “Nana,” whenever someone writes Nana-san as 七さん, I end up reading it as Shichi-san...

What is this “Mutual Love ver.” thing?

This makes absolutely no sense.

GARNET CROW and Ikimono-gakari have similar musical styles.

I can't really agree with that.

>90 You aren't using “nonsense” to mean “having no sense of taste,” are you?

>93 I'm not using it that way lol I'm talking about this album lol

>87 Yeah, that's true. Ambient originally meant easy-listening music that doesn't get in the way and gives you a sense of peace. But there are also genres like dark ambient that contain their own distinctive atmosphere, so describing it as a fantastical sound isn't necessarily wrong.

Happy yakudoshi, Yurippe lol

Yurippe is eternally 24.

Yurippe is seriously Yurippe. Anyway, “Yurippe” is such a cute nickname, really. Nana did good.

It's a nickname? lol “Yurippe” really is a good one. It's not “Yuririn”; the “-ppe” part is what makes it charming.

I've been listening to the instrumental version of “Nake Naka” on infinite repeat for a while now, and it's good, right? “Nake Naka.” Groovy, stylish, and sentimental! It's such an amazing song that I want to cry in a corner of Eden tonight!

*Silence...*

I still can't accept “Namida no Yesterday,” even now. Including the title.

I want to talk with >100 all night lol “Nake Naka” is my favorite, but there don't seem to be many people like that... orz

┌─────────────────────── ┤　May the world someday be wrapped in gentle light └───────────────────────

Has this turned into a bump thread?

The arrangement of “Nake Naka” feels a little dated. The melody is kind of iffy too, so I can see it being divisive. The synth bass is good, though... As a work, it's still a little understated.

>106 What's “shinbe”?

Synth bass, obviously.

I was wondering who this Shinbei person was.

>108 I see.

The melody in “Nake Naka” is weak.

The sound of Yurippe's breathing in that unfinished tone is heartrending.

I listened to “Nake Naka” again, and it really got to me.

There aren't many songs where the bass is as prominent as it is in “Nake Naka,” are there?

Are all four members of GARNET CROW single?

>115 Some are married.

That one is married, that one is single.

I just thought of something. Yurippe's way of speaking is similar to Miki Ando's. The way she keeps repeating “maa...” and “...nanode” is practically identical. Maybe it's because her voice is low? Her tone and energy are both low, then she suddenly raises her voice... it feels kind of awkward somehow.

What's the easiest Gane song to play and sing? Preferably one with simple, few chords.

I barely know anything about chords, so just going by pure intuition: “over blow.”

>120 Hmm... Even apart from the chords, I don't really feel like playing “over brow.” But I get the impression Gane probably doesn't have any three-chord songs. At least five chords, maybe. And probably a lot of barre chords. Still, with this many songs, there ought to be at least one that's super easy.

Same, just going by intuition, but “Kono Te wo Nobaseba.”

No, I think “Kono Te wo Nobaseba” is pretty difficult. The chord changes are insanely frequent... Maybe “Maboroshi” is surprisingly easy? There aren't many chords themselves, but the intro has a barrage of arpeggios over slash chords... And there are lots of F chords. Still, it might be good to start with this one to overcome arpeggios and barre chords.

Let's play “Wasurezaki.”

>124 It'd be amazing if I could play “Wasurezaki,” but for now I've decided on “Futari no Rocket.” This one seems manageable.

So which is it? lol

Sorry for the late reply. >119 How about “Mijikai Natsu”? It sounds like it has lots of simple chords, so I think it would be easy to play... Someone mentioned it above too, but songs with the C-major canon progression, like “Wasurezaki” and “Hallelujah,” and “Doing All Right” also seem easy to play. There aren't any difficult chords, though there is a key change...

Don't all the guitar tones in the recent songs sound pretty much the same?

They've got a formula, don't they? Like, “This is where we put in the big climax.”

The sound design is monotonous and boring too. The early stuff, especially the indie material, may have been rougher, but the phrases and sound design were excellent, with lots of variety. It's not like simply making the guitar part longer automatically makes it a good guitar arrangement, you know.

The other day I bought “Detective Conan — Easy Piano Collection” and practiced various Gane songs from it. “Kimi to Iu Hikari” was the easiest to play.

>130 I think the recent phrases are melodic and pretty good too. It is true that the guitar is more upfront in the recent songs, and the solos and such have gotten longer. Personally, I like this kind of thing too, so I'm fine with it as it is. But if this was foreshadowing that Mochi is going to move further to the front from now on — musically, in promotions, and elsewhere — I'd hate that. Sorry, I can't put it very well.

>131 “Kimi to Iu Hikari” is nice on piano, but I think it's pretty difficult as a guitar singalong. There are a lot of chord changes too.

>132 Gane doesn't really need flashy riffs or solos, though. The vibe of the current songs somehow feels like old Being. I want them to play arpeggios on acoustic guitar and stick to supporting from the back. For a song with drive like “Spiral,” though, I'm fine with them pushing the guitar right to the front.

>134 Gane's electric-guitar riffs and solos were ideal to me. The guitar stood out without overdoing it, and the solos were melodic enough that I never wanted to skip them. I do like band sounds to begin with, though.

I wonder if Nana-san could play a keytar during “Spiral” at live shows. I think it would look cool.

I wouldn't complain if they did something a little funkier.

Agreed. Yurippe's singing has improved too, so I'd love to see it. I want them to do something with a darker, Black-music feel. Actually, I want them to keep incorporating jazzy R&B and stuff. I want to see more languid, stylish Gane.

>134 Come to think of it, why does “Yume Mita Ato de” turn into such a rock-ballad-like song live? lol It's not just that they lower it by a semitone; it's practically a completely different arrangement. How hard are they hitting those crash cymbals and snares? lol I watched it for the first time in a while and was surprised lol The guitar comes pretty far forward too. But it sounds cool that way, so I don't really mind lol

>138 Like “As the Dew”?

Jazzy R&B...

Acid jazz or something? By the way, Old Man knows his way around everything from UK rock to dance music to AOR, right? He can do ambient stuff too — he's a hell of an all-rounder. Since “Garnet sound” has almost no fixed image in sonic terms, I want Old Man to use every sense he's got at full power and have Yurippe sing all kinds of songs. He's the leader, after all, so I think it's fine for Old Man to take more control.

It just sounds like someone lined up a bunch of words they looked up at random...

Even if you line up more than a thousand words...

I just thought of this, but isn't “flower” basically dead air among the B-sides?

Even though it's so damn cool...

>145 Exactly. The lyrics are relentlessly depressing.

There really is no hope.

“Flower” has this nice sense of languor. The lyrics and song are good, and so is the arrangement. I want them to make more songs like this.

Something like “flower” is good, but love songs like “Last Love” and “Yume Mita” are the best too. I think “Koi no Aima ni” is their greatest masterpiece in particular. “The heart is freer than anything else and never stays still.” It's so ordinary, yet it hits you incredibly hard. I guess this is what they call talent.

Another album already? I'm starting to lose the feeling of novelty.

The recent songs don't have enough falsetto.

>152 True. Of the recent songs, the only ones that really use it properly are “Hyakunen no Kodoku” and “Nora,” maybe? But “Tell me something” had falsetto too.

It's not like she suddenly gained a range where she can get by without ever using falsetto. It's obvious she can't hit the high notes as well as she used to, so I want her to use falsetto more.

The live version of “Kuraga” is so overwhelmingly powerful it makes my chest hurt.

livescope2010 THE BEST TOUR Nana-san is so cute — she doesn't look like a woman over 30 at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cG5EqfEOCg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHShfoaEO0Q

Listening to “juel fish” makes me feel completely miserable. Especially the ending: “In that all-too-familiar despair~~ No one can reach the future~ An unreachable love~” Those parts go beyond being merely heartbreaking — they make my stomach twist lol And since Yurippe has gotten stronger, the destructive power is doubled.

Nana-san's look during “Jōnetsu yo~” in “Yume Hanabi,” the song you want to hear in summer, is way too provocative wwwwwwwwww

>157 So “jewel fish” was actually a good song. I avoided it because it seemed like the kind of thing otaku would like.

What does “the kind of thing otaku would like” even mean? lol And you avoided it because of that? lol

I wonder if the 8th album has remnants of theme-song candidates scattered throughout it.

>161 Probably. But it was the movie people who rejected them, not the members, so I don't think a rejected song necessarily equals a bad song. Though GARNET CROW has never had a bad song in the past anyway.

>162 Yeah, yeah. The rejected songs would probably hit the fans right in their sweet spot.

Sorry to derail, but what are they saying at the end of “timeless sleep”? The lyrics say “out live,” but it sounds like they're saying English along the lines of “prease me in a love in for you” (I forced myself to decipher it, so the grammar is a complete mess lol), right? I can't figure out the bit in “Sayonara to...” either. I love the song, but even when I want to sing it at karaoke, I can't lol It's been bugging me, so can someone tell me? orz Or let's decipher it together lol

>156 She's not just over 30 — she's almost 40.

>165 Saying she's over 30 isn't wrong.

I can't understand the ending of “Eimin” either.

Summer's ending... GARNET CROW really hits different now.

The autumn sky is speeding up.

The long rain at summer's end~

Azuki-san is definitely getting more wrinkles, though.

Whenever the cold season rolls around, I always feel like listening to the 3rd album.

My image is: 3rd and 7th for autumn; 1st, 4th, and 5th for winter; 6th for spring; and 2nd for summer.

The 5th isn't tied to any particular season; as its title suggests, it gives me a twilight feeling.

With “over25℃” on it, I don't really get a winter feeling from it. “Yuzukuyo” feels kind of autumnal too.

The 4th is full of songs that feel like winter, but “over25℃” was shoved in there anyway, so it sticks out.

>176 Are “Tsumetai Kage” and “Kono Fuyu no~” really the only winter songs on the 4th? “Yuzukuyo” and “Wasurezaki” feel like autumn, and “Kimi Tsuresaru~” feels like early autumn. I don't think “picture of world,” “fill away,” or “Aoi Mori” feel particularly wintry either. Still, I can understand what you mean about “over25℃” sticking out.

“Kimi Tsuresaru” feels like the rainy season to me.

Because it has the lyric, “Like reflecting the world of dew~” lol

Come to think of it, “over25℃,” “Ameagari no Blue,” and “over drive” are all treated by the members like songs they're proud of, but honestly, they're kind of meh.

Isn't “over25℃” the same song as “Ameagari no Blue”?

“It's one of our proudest works” = Please buy the CD ☆

>180-181 LOL wwwwwwwwww

60: Mademoiselle名無しさん 2009/10/08 (Thu) 15:36:35 ID:B6I1g/Ev Tsundere? Shishi-Ebi's boyfriend suddenly kisses her and says, “There isn't any reason,” or “So what if I do? Is it bad?” When he puts his arm around her shoulder, he says, “You're short, so this is just more comfortable for me. It's not like there's any other reason.” He makes her carry his stuff, teases her, bullies her — and at a level like a middle-school boy. When she's drinking water, he hits the bottle and makes her spill it, or suddenly yanks her ponytail while they're walking. He can't even properly hold hands with her. He'll say, “Race me to that spot and if you win, I'll shake your hand,” then deliberately lose and say, “Why are you taking this so seriously?” before taking her hand. And yet he'll suddenly lie down on her lap and act spoiled, lean against her on the train, or go quiet and lean into her when she hugs him from behind. Apparently he likes having his head petted; he's quiet for as long as she's petting him, but the moment she stops, he comes to his senses and starts mouthing off again. This guy is really entertaining. Is Shishi-Ebi especially tsundere? If it were a girl, I think she'd be insanely cute. Shishi-Ebi = (＾ω^) Ponytail = (´･ω･)

>184 You absolutely have to come to the yuri thread lol

Wasn't this posted in the wrong place? lol

Write something already!! lol

There are nights when you can't write...

The new album news is out. I never expected them to put “Sora ni Hanabi” or “As the Dew” on it, but it's a pleasant surprise. They've been putting out nothing but god-tier songs lately, so I'm looking forward to the other tracks too.

parallel universe “Track list” 1. Over Drive 2. Sora ni Hanabi 3. As the Dew (album ver.) 4. Kyō to Ashita to 5. tell me something 6. Aozora Kanata 7. Nagisa to Secret Days 8. Era 9. Himitsu no Chiheisen 10. White Rob 11. Daremo Shiranai Basho 12. Hachigatsu no Yakusoku 13. Wasururu wa Omoi Are there any bonuses or anything?

>190 The tracks after number 8 are probably fake.

>189 Exactly! But it's a pleasant surprise for people who didn't buy the singles, while for the people who did buy them, it's a sad surprise... As the Dew being an album version makes it okay, I guess, but Sora ni Hanabi... then what's the point of Oruraba? lol What kind of album will this be? The last one had a lot of dark songs, so a brighter album this time would be nice too. Though I'll like it no matter what kind of album it is lol I'm already insanely excited!

>191 It's not fake!

>193 Oh, really? Sorry. Do you have a source?

>194 An FC email.

>195 I didn't get any email like that.

>139 That's Kurose's trademark, right? I can understand it for rock, but it sounded like he was using 18-inch crash cymbals for both of them lol A quiet band like GARNET CROW needs a skilled, more all-around drummer who can play in a wider range of styles.

Because Yurippe has been Kurose-ified.

Was Gane's early neo-acoustic direction something deliberately created, like GIZA's current push toward jazz?

I really want that indescribable feeling from the early days again. Something like “in little time” would be absolutely impossible now.

>198 Did you fall asleep? lol Jokes aside, the only other drummers are PON, Kamei, and Kurumatani. Kamei is out of the question first of all. His sense of fills is so bad it makes me nauseous. PON and Kurumatani are also power hitters, though not as much as Kurose, but their styles are quite different. PON's sound is pretty hard, and his rhythm feels like it pushes forward aggressively. The rim shots he uses sometimes and his double-bass-like accents are good too. Kurumatani's sound is surprisingly soft despite being loud, and while his rhythm is simple, his sense for the fills he drops in now and then is really good. I compared them using “A constellation,” composed by Okamoto (the Kamiki live version). PON is the first one, Kurumatani the second. The arrangements themselves are pretty different, so it might not be a very useful comparison, but here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoQ9Q0PFNc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA6wSScz0o&feature=related

>201 I see. You can really tell the difference between the hard and soft sounds.

Her voice has gotten a lot fuller, so she could never produce that helpless feeling from “Eien ni Hōmure” now.

Kurumatani's drumming is better than I expected. It seems like it would fit Gane's sound too.

>201 Are the band members the same apart from the drummer? It's amazing how different the atmosphere is just from the drum sound.

>204 He fit really well in the band section of the August symphonic concert.

Was the drummer on “Sorairo no Neko” Kurumatani-san too?

But when the symphonic concert switched from the orchestra to the band arrangement, the sound was unbearably muddy. Though I guess that's what it normally sounds like.

The foreign guy who played at the first live show was the best drummer, though. I forget his name.

>209 He was called David something-something C, right? lol

David Carlton Brown.

>210 That guy has gone back to his home country.

Kamei-san's poor drumming is pretty famous among Being otaku. His fills are straight out of a textbook, and he drags or rushes all over the place — he can't keep time at all. He was awful when I saw him before. >199 I don't think there was any particular concept. It was a completely divided labor setup, so I think they were allowed to work relatively freely according to their own musicality. Looking at their stated favorite artists, well, if that really is the case, it seems they freely chose the neo-acoustic genre themselves. I do think the unit's lineup was deliberately designed, though.

>201 Kamei-san can just play cajón at fan events lol His rough edges won't stand out at that kind of live show lol

>213 No, I think it was the agency's idea at first. I think they're working with a fair amount of freedom now, though.

But was there anything close to Gane's musicality back then? Was that kind of thing even popular? Neo-acoustic was from a different era. There was a healing-music boom back then, though. Being has a tendency to aggressively imitate whatever trend it decides to latch onto, right? Unlike other companies, they seem conspicuously conscious of it. Maybe they deliberately aimed for a genre a little outside the mainstream in order to emphasize the “creator” aspect?

I loved that obscure Gane. Being nowadays aims for the waves of every boom, but can never quite ride them.

>216 That probably has a lot to do with it. Even the first album's cover made it look like they were determined to take them in this direction lol But I personally feel that was only the initial phase, and in the end they wanted to develop the band into one that could make all kinds of songs.

They were jack-of-all-trades, master of none. If they'd kept digging deeper into the world of the 1st album, they might have become the greatest band.

>219 That's a matter of taste.

If they'd pursued the 1st album's music to the absolute limit, they might have become the greatest band for some people, but I doubt they would have received support from such a broad audience. They needed to try different things too, and going on TV and doing live shows must have changed what they felt as well. Whether that's good or bad is another question.

>221 If their musicality had stayed at the 1st-album level, I definitely wouldn't have become a fan. Then I never would have discovered all those masterpieces, including the early ones.

The four great beauties of Japanese music (at the peak of their looks) Izumi Sakai, Tomiko Van, Kyo Kodama (formerly of Exceed), Yurippe

But the women above are still beautiful even after getting older... As long as they maintain their figures, their faces won't fall apart. So I guess a beauty stays beautiful even when she becomes an old lady.

By the way, did everyone go to the fan event? >219 >221 Regardless of how polished the 1st album was, I think it was made more on momentum — maybe the drive to break into the mainstream — than through careful calculation. Even though the members were all experienced, I think they leaned more toward the latter than the former. In other words, that album couldn't have been made without the sensibilities they had at that time. Their favorite artists are mainly guitar pop (Nana-sama is a little off in that regard lol), so if they tried to make something similar again, they could produce something faithful to that genre, but they can't return to the perspective they had during the 1st album and make another 1st album.

>224 Tomiko is looking a little iffy, though lol She's put on a little weight and looks like a young mom now lol Still beautiful, though. Do As really was only good in the early days. They reunited, but their songs don't have much bite anymore.

GARNET CROW was better in the early days too lol But I get what >222 is saying...

>225 Listening to it, I didn't get the impression that it was made on momentum. Maybe it's a matter of personal perception, and I'm the only one who feels that way. If anything, the recent stuff feels more like it was made on momentum lol Though in a way, that's unavoidable. The company relies heavily on Gane at present, so naturally you want them to increase the pace at which they make songs. If we assume they had a stockpile of 100 songs when they made the 1st album, then by the time they released the 8th album, they would have used up almost all of it. Even if they want to take their time and put out higher-quality work, being signed to a company creates all kinds of problems. Fans expect 1st-album-level quality. Once you add in the live shows and events they didn't do in the early days, there just isn't enough time. Maybe this is where the subtle gap came from between fans who think the early days were better and Gane's music. Sorry for the long post.

They didn't have a stockpile of 100 songs lol I'd be shocked if they did. What does “1st-album-level quality” even mean? That's a matter of personal taste. I think every album is high quality.

I like both the early stuff and the current stuff, but I do feel that the sense of “the four of them together are GARNET CROW” has disappeared. Do we really need Mini-Crow?

>221 Then I guess I'm one of those people who likes the 1st album. My favorite songs are still the early B-sides. Of course, I don't dislike the recent, more mainstream J-pop songs either.

>229 The 100 songs was just a hypothetical example. I think so too. I don't think the other albums are low quality.

>230 Mini-Crow really is unnecessary~ I still have no idea what they were trying to do with it. >232 You did say “hypothetically” lol Sorry, I jumped to conclusions. Still, I don't think they had much of a stockpile in the early days; they were even more frantic than they are now.

Putting taste aside, I do think there are a lot of similar songs lately. The vocal melodies overlap all over the place, so I get tired of them quickly.

>233 Mini-Crow, definitely lol Mochi's solo format was better. I think they each had their own stockpiles in the early days. But since the lyricist, composer, and arranger were all different, it's hard to say how useful that stockpile actually was for GARNET CROW. I'm not unhappy with the current format, but I think it would be nice to try a few songs on an album with lyrics by Yurippe, music by Mochi, or outside arrangements. It could be good to give each of them some new stimulation.

>231 I don't think the recent songs are particularly mainstream-friendly. “Natsu no Maboroshi” and “Jewel Fish” seem more likely to appeal to the general public.

>234 Haven't they always had a lot of similar songs? Personally, I never get tired of them. That's just a matter of taste. >235 I was talking about “stockpile” as in completed songs. >236 Even among the early songs, the Conan songs were probably made with mainstream appeal in mind. I think the recent singles are very conscious of appealing to the general public too. Putting likes and dislikes aside, I basically like catchy songs, so I enjoyed them lol

>235 I don't want them to break up the formula of Yurippe composing, AZUKI writing the lyrics, and Furui arranging. I think that's GARNET CROW's conviction, or its greatest defining feature.

>238 I understand that. I don't want them to break that part, but I would like to see a different form of GARNET CROW too. I know I'm contradicting myself lol Changing the format could lead to new discoveries and provide some stimulation. But I still want GARNET CROW to stick to this format. It's difficult.

>239 They've experimented with various things already, though. Mini-Crow (Mochi rearranging things), Furui's backing vocals, and so on. I think this level is enough. If they changed the original division of roles...

The songs this person makes vaguely remind me of early Gane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrCpDYC1P4s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jmr4DIGpTU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UnzSixpHfo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQJkf9LWu68 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUdgqTqNAko

>238 Hard agree. I don't want to see anything other than Nana-sama's lyrics, and I have absolutely no interest in Mochi composing songs. This style is what makes Gane Gane, so I want them to stick with it no matter what. Still, I can understand old fans who aren't satisfied with the current songs wanting to somehow change the status quo. But if they did that even once, I have a bad feeling the whole thing would start collapsing bit by bit. Sorry, that made no sense.

“Monochrome Out” is nice. I often listen to Vocaloid songs from Nico through the singer covers, and this one has a nice, brisk midtempo. If they tuned it with Luka, it might turn into something very Gane-like. It's pretty flat, but the arrangement does a good job of building it up. I went to hear some anime-song singers at a school festival and it wore me out... Gane doesn't really have that kind of thing lol Gane fans don't wave glowsticks the way voice-actor and anime-song fans do, and there are no mosh pits or crowd-surfing like at rock shows, so it's peaceful and relaxing lol

>240 True. But I can't help thinking Mini-Crow would've been better off making new songs instead of Gane songs. They could've had Yurippe write the lyrics or Mochi compose them, for example. Changing the subject, I actually kind of like Mini-Crow's “Seichi.” I didn't like “Koi no Aima ni” or “STAY” much when I first heard them, but I came to like them after hearing the Mini-Crow versions live. Still, when you think about it, 1,500 yen for three arrangements is way too expensive lol

>244 That would just make people resent it even more. It is called “Mini-Crow,” after all. Maybe it was better that it still felt like a self-cover?

>245 You think it would draw backlash after all? lol I wanted them to do something they can't do as Gane, but yeah, it would be difficult as long as they call themselves “Mini-Crow.”

>244 Mini-Crow's CD is basically like live-show merchandise, so it's a much more reasonable price than a 3,000-yen scrunchie.

>247 But weren't *REMIXES* 2,000 yen? That was a little different since it had originally been planned for general release, though.

I wish they would hold a fan-event concert featuring B-sides, early hidden tracks, and other songs they don't perform very often. I don't even care if it gets no one excited lol

The members are wandering around lost, so of course the fans will get lost too. I want them to establish their foundation before trying new things. It's important to keep some things unchanged too. (´･ω･｀)

Are the members really wandering around lost? They talked about having a “sense of landing” around the time of STAY, so I don't think that's the case.

>251 Yeah, I don't think they're wandering around lost either. If anyone's lost, it's GIZA lol Even though that's nothing new.

They performed “Yume Mita Ato de” with just Yurippe at the symphonic concert, but I thought, “Isn't this basically no different from having all four of them there...?”

Fujiwara-san's piano performance was amazing.

>253 There wasn't much difference, was there? It wasn't really enough to call it a solo. But not having the other members behind her must have made Yurippe feel all kinds of things, right?

(´･ω･) “Yeah, having the audience's eyes all to myself was the best.”

Usually she has to split the audience's gaze with Nana, after all lol

>243 It's “Monochrome Act,” lol

>243 A mistake people make all the time lol

The flow from “Iemoon” to “Mō Saga” really hits me; I can't stop crying.

I couldn't understand what you were talking about for a second lol Anyway, Gane has started playing bigger venues too. The Forum, of all places... The next step is Budokan for 8,000 people, right?

The Forum is a pretty nice place, and I like it. When I went there for the first time, there weren't any Gane fans around me, so I was moved.

Yurippe is a virgin.

>261 I wish they'd done it for their 10th anniversary as a group, or their 10th anniversary since debut lol

Let's liven things up here for a while.

I've gotten hooked on “Ai ni Niteru” again lately. Nana-sama's lyrics are the best.

The staff blog was updated on the 16th. It's a theater during rehearsal. It's a pain having to tilt your head 90 degrees to the left to look at it lol

I'm looking forward to the new album.

But they really should include the theater version of OverDrive.

Is it really that different? I've never heard it.

It starts with Yurippe singing a cappella, without an intro. I'm also a Conan otaku, so I went to see it, and hearing her voice suddenly come in was really moving.

It starts with Yurippe's voice, with no intro. I'm a Conan otaku too, so I went to see it, and hearing the voice suddenly come in was really moving.

Yurippe is a virgin!

You're bumping it way too much. It's starting to look like the main thread.

>272 Thanks. I've never watched Conan, so that was helpful.

We've tried pretty much everything already, right? What should we expect from Gane's next album? The last one had a jazzy, adult-oriented arrangement. Maybe it's time for some post-rock approaches with guitars, keyboards, and the likes of Sigur Rós.

Go back to the roots.

It doesn't even have to have a band-style sound.

Were they even aiming for a band-style sound in the first place? If so, use real instruments.

>279 Even a cool song with a band-style arrangement doesn't work when the sounds are programmed, especially the drums. Even if they're going to use programmed sounds, some of the choices make you wonder, “Why that sound?”...

Being's programmed sounds only kept up with the times through the '90s. After 2000, they just got tackier and tackier. That cheap plinky-plonky stuff is unbelievable. Just let Kurumatani or Kurose play the drums. No need to bring in Ōga or anything lol

The songs are good too, but isn't there some way to find out where the clothes Yurippe and Nana wear are from? I've tried searching with all kinds of different keywords, but I can't find anything... Nana's clothes especially are simple, but the lines and the way she puts them together look so cool. The jackets, inner layers, and pants are all cool. Furui-san's shirt-and-jeans style is simple but cool too.

Nana-sama has a great figure to begin with. She could probably make even Uniqlo look cool.

The official *parallel universe* album cover is out.

The theory that a beautiful woman with a good figure looks amazing in anything. >282 The level of Mochi's handsomeness in photos is insane.

Also, the fact that Mochi's album is out is important. Hey, the regular and first-press editions have wildly different cover vibes, don't they? Obviously. The first-press edition looks cool.

Make Old Man and Nana Gane-exclusive from now on. Mini-Crow can make stuff centered around keytar or flute.

I'm moved that Mochi secretly made a solo album. Did Nana write the lyrics?

>282 Mochi... >285 “In photos,” huh? lol As if he's...

I want to have sex with Yurippe.

I want the panties Yurippe and Nana were wearing after the live show.

Mochi's album is kind of understated, but “Res-no” and stuff is good. The melodies and arrangements are compact too, but that plainness is pleasant in its own way. The riffs and solos have become more prominent lately; I wonder if he can make something interesting as a guitarist's solo album.

Mochi uses Martins and stuff, right? Maybe that's only natural for a professional, but I'm still jealous. Sorry for the personal-note posting.

Mochi is a guitarist, you know. He's not going to be a home-recording kid forever. (｀・ω・) Actually, I feel like Mochi is more likely than Gane to deliver the guitar pop I want. Who knows where Gane is going from here anyway. Though it won't be the same as Gane's stuff. There are all kinds of genres involved too.

>289 Aside from the off-duty staff photos, he photographs really well. Especially in things like the calendar — newer fans used to say he looked like a different person or that the photos were retouched lol At the time of “Yume no Hitotsu,” I thought it was a miracle shot, but seeing how consistently good he looks, maybe the photographer figured out the trick, Mochi learned how to pose, or they really are retouching them (ry

I mean, I think artists who don't retouch their jacket photos are actually the minority... (´･ω･｀) Otherwise, how would someone with a face as big as Mochi's (ry

If they were retouching him, he'd look handsome in every photo. Even the current Mochi photo on the website is kind of iffy lol

I want to have sex with Yurippe.

I want Gane to do more rock-like songs. I think they'd suit Yurippe's current singing pretty well. But I really want them to stop programming the drums...

When you say rock, do you just mean something heavier, with the guitars pushed harder? The melodies have gotten cheesy lately too, and Old Man's arrangements in that vein are very Being-like. For better or worse, the most they can manage is wannabe rock that feels like anime songs, like “Spiral” or “Atsumeru.” Even if it's rock, I want something gothic or post-rock, with arrangements that use the keys more effectively. That's what I thought after listening to Within Temptation and Anekdoten lately.

I think the GARNET sound is something spiritual. More than genre or elaborate sound production, I just want the vocals and lyrics to bring out the best in each other.

It's not just the spirituality; it feels like they've exhausted both the lyrics and the music. Sometimes I wonder if Nana doesn't really have much left that she wants to write about.

Well, after making this many songs, I think anyone would eventually run out of things in their toolbox.

Rather than reaching a limit, I think they've just become gentler with age.

They were basically a fully formed band from the moment they debuted. Mochi and Yurippe's technical skills have changed, though.

Nana-sama's piano skills haven't changed? lol

>303-304 I think songs like STAY are masterpieces they could only make after getting older. The calm lyrics, Yurippe's voice, and the stylish sound all work so well.

>307 I got that impression more from hearing it live than from listening to the album. I don't think they could have pulled off that kind of singing in the early days. It's a transparent yet powerful way of singing.

>306 Seriously, I think Nana-sama has improved a lot too. But once you reach a certain level on the keyboard, it seems like you don't change much after that lol Especially if you started taking lessons as a child and could already play to some extent when you were young. Just my irresponsible personal opinion as someone with experience lol

Gane barely has any arrangements where the individual players' skills really stand out, so it's hard to tell. I think the keys could go a lot wilder in songs like “Mizu no Nai Hareta Umi e.”

Furui-san's arrangements are restrained, both in a good way and a bad way. He prioritizes Yurippe's singing and the song, and the arrangement is almost just decoration.

It's not just Furui-san's style; that's Being's arrangement style. Whoever does the arranging, they use low-cost programmed backing to support the song from behind without ruining its atmosphere. So whatever they do, it either gets an average score or comes off as a cheap imitation. The impressive thing about Gane is Yurippe; nobody really talks about Old Man's arrangements as a standalone thing. Once Yurippe runs dry, I guess it'll be over.

>310 Since they've always aimed for arrangements that don't try to lead Yurippe's songs or get in their way, we probably won't be hearing words like “gothic metal” or “post-rock” here anytime soon.

>312 True... I think they could afford to take a few more risks. Can't they do something about the programmed sounds?

I think they do experiment. More than enough. ( ・∀・)y─┛~~ Among artists in Being — no, in the mainstream scene — who could aim for the upper ranks of Oricon, their range of musical genres is remarkably broad, and they show a flexible attitude. > Since they've always aimed for arrangements that don't try to lead Yurippe's songs or get in their way On that point, it was a decision made before the group even formed, before their personal personalities or musical convictions came into play. It's one of those unavoidable adult-business circumstances that comes with being signed to Being — I don't love putting it that way, but the completely divided labor system where each person sticks to their own job, and the concept of a creator collective, are probably the biggest insurmountable obstacles to their musical growth. ( ・∀・)y─┛~~

They were a thoroughly manufactured unit. They're the oddballs within Being, yet completely loyal to Being.

I still can't believe a band this good came out of Being.

Being had been B-grade commercial music since the '90s, for better or worse. What amazes me about Gane is that they're artists who emerged after GIZA was founded, when it was called an underground-idol label. Even though they produced Kuraki, Komatsu, and Airi Uchino, once GIZA got established they clearly started adding more disposable acts, and their development of individual artists became sloppy.

When I listen to recent songs like “As the Dew,” I'm moved by how they've reached the point where they can perform styles that were borrowed, for better or worse, as their own. That blues- and soul-style singing on STAY probably wouldn't work without a certain level of ability. Their neo-acoustic direction, with its rich selection of genres starting with R&B like “holding~” from the 1st album, was stylish, delicate, and cool, but current Gane is definitely better!!

I liked bands like WANDS in Being too~ After they broke through, they tried to push out rock songs, got into a fight with Being, and the core members left. Somehow, songs like “secret night” and “same side,” made during that period of conflict, ended up being their best, I feel. (Uesugi and Shibasaki went on to do various things, but I haven't found them very compelling...) Gane has maintained that tension all this time, so it's kind of a miracle. AZUKI's lyrics are still punk, lol

The chanting parts would've been nice too. The chanting parts would've been nice too.

>320 That felt like pseudo-grunge. I didn't hate it, but I think Uesugi's voice suited the catchy, classic Being-style songs from before that better. I never listened to al.ni.co's songs after the breakup. Apparently they pushed the grunge angle even harder. Shibasaki is in a band with TM Revolution's Nishikawa now, right? He's doing his best as one of the two guitarists. Maybe Shibasaki enjoys being a guitarist more now than he did back then, since he can do all kinds of things.

Bands like al.ni.co and the other grunge-influenced bands from that time sounded authentic and looked cool technically, but... in the end, they felt like Japanese people doing monkey-see-monkey-do, which kills the mood. There was no realness to it. Even with WANDS, apart from a few songs that worked because of the balance between pop and rock, it's hard to shake the impression that it was industrial music.

I have no interest in music that's just free in every sense. Gane's balance in that regard is perfect. I feel like those lyrics reflect that kind of outlook, too.

On the Best Live DVD version of “As the Dew,” the final “shō” in “The rain is unfortunate, but let's go out as planned” is so flat that it bothers me incredibly. If they could get details like that perfect, I wouldn't have anything to complain about.

>323 But WANDS and the rest of the Being camp were good. They had an approachable, high-quality standard sound, while still delivering the kind of J-pop musicianship that really gets to you. Avex later seemed to follow that model and establish the Avex sound, but I don't think it ever matched Being's thorough commitment to “industrial music.” The playing and songwriting taste came together at a genuinely high level. Even if you call it “industrial music,” the feelings they put into it were real.

>326 Yeah, calling it “industrial music” was a poor choice of words... I heard Being's production policy was modeled on the old Motown sound. They were incredibly thorough, the sound quality was good, and they had respect for their roots. It doesn't feel B-grade as music to me. I think the quality still holds up after all these years, even if some people call it old-fashioned lol Still, unlike other pop music, they called themselves bands while severely limiting the individuality and personality of the songwriters and players. There was something unnatural about it, something fake. Manufactured. On the other hand, the lack of restrictions and exposure could also bring out an excess of individuality and musicality. Gane, with its setup that's neither quite a band nor a unit (a production collective?), has continued to embody that ideal state lol Everyone before them was just fake, but Nana-sama and the others are seriously the real deal...

I think the opening “ta-ta-ta” in “Hibi no Hotori” ruins the atmosphere. You get immersed in the beautiful piano sound, and then the programmed sound comes in...

>327 What's with those weird line breaks? lol Still, there was a time when people really did mock it as B-grade industrial music, and the Rockin'On-type magazines definitely have a problem with it. Nagato himself says he intends to stick with that kind of music, though.

Furui's real thoughts on using so much programming, which even Gane fans hate: “It's not like it'll sell anyway, recording drums takes two days even with a veteran, it's not like it'll sell anyway, and what's the point of learning high-end programming gear and techniques at this stage? It's not like it'll sell anyway, the otaku will buy it regardless, so there's no point in working hard, it's not like it'll sell anyway, the other members won't complain — actually, none of them has that kind of motivation, it's not like it'll sell anyway, and if I spend too much on production by trying too hard, they'll shelve us instead lol It's not like it'll sell anyway, even when we occasionally release a song with real drums, nobody makes much of a fuss lol It's not like it'll sell anyway, and honestly, I don't care about any sounds besides the keyboard lol”

Wouldn't programming actually take more work? Even songs that sound similar use slightly different sounds. It doesn't look like they spend much money, though.

Isn't that the broken-phrases guy from the Being thread?

The fighting-game-style “dukushi dukushi” in “Maboroshi” is so awful it made me laugh. The guitar arpeggios have a mournful sound with real character, and Nana's lyrics are poetic. Yurippe's falsetto is as clear and brilliant as ever. The drums, though... how did it come to this?

>333 I was going to write that too w That song alone is a total no-go~

Furui: “Dukushi lol Dukushi lol” Gane fan: “Oof lol Bfuh lol Mr. Furui lol Could you please stop using programmed sounds lol”

A while back, videos of PON and Kurumatani were uploaded, and they really made me realize that drums are the core of a song. The Gane songs that come to mind with real drums are: “Futari no Rocket” “Yūdachi no Niwa” “Sorairo no Neko” From top to bottom, that's Kamei, the foreigner whose name I forget lol, and Kurumatani, right? Kurumatani can casually play everything from the extremely simple drums on “Sorairo no Neko” to pretty intense songs. Shouldn't Gane hire Kurumatani, who seems to have the widest range, as their support drummer?

I love the mismatched feel of the programmed drums in “Maboroshi,” though lol

Kamei is the only one whose level is bizarrely bad. If you're going to use Kamei, it's at the “anything is fine as long as it's played live” level.

There are songs like “last love song” where it has to be programmed, but “Maboroshi” is such a mismatch that it made me laugh. Anyway, the intro to “Sekai wa Mawaru~” is definitely consciously based on “call my name,” right? Not that they reused the actual material or anything.

Wasn't “Futari no Rocket” programmed too?

I don't know about “last love song,” but “Holding you~” and songs around that era were probably programmed by genre. The indie version of “Futari no Rocket” was programmed.

The criticism of Furui-san is intense.

I mean, rather than just being programmed, maybe Gane's generally modest arrangements are meant to keep you from getting tired or bored even after listening for a long time. That could be one reason people say Gane's songs are soothing and never get old.

Apart from the weird programmed drum sounds, I've never thought the arrangements were shabby... Old Man is really good at using strings and piano. When those two are added, he avoids the usual overblown, overly ornate arrangement. The bass lines are lovely too.

>344 His guitar-solo phrasing is really good too. He seems like he could handle composing as well.

>345 Exactly! Gane's guitar solos are my ideal. They feel exactly like what I've been looking for lol I didn't mention the guitar because I consider it a joint development with Mochi lol

Synth bass is fine too. That's partly just a characteristic of the bass sound, but as long as the line is solid, it doesn't matter if it's programmed. >335 Oof lol I've seen that on VIP lol >344 Old Man's arrangements are part of it, but maybe there's also the fact that he handles everything with synths, like the strings. When you make those sounds with synths, it feels like there's a thin film over them. The sound doesn't come forward, which creates a distinctive transparency. Put negatively, it sounds cheap.

This is a bit late, but is the person playing violin on the footbridge in “Maboroshi” a professional? I've wondered about it for a while, but for some reason never asked.

We'd have to ask the members themselves to know. For now, at least, that string part isn't a live recording.

>347 Yeah, that's definitely part of it~ Personally, I prefer synth strings to real strings. As you said, real strings are beautiful and therefore inevitably stand out, so when you use them in a ballad, the result gets especially heavy and overdone. For J-pop that emphasizes lyrics and vocals, I feel synth strings bring out the song better. Of course, it depends on the time and situation...

Rather than prioritizing vocals, J-pop prioritizes excitement and catchiness. So instead of using thin-sounding synth strings, it's easier and sounds better to put real strings front and center. Synths are fun because you can also make flute and organ sounds with them, and apply them flexibly from scene to scene. But there's no need to show off that kind of thing with a female solo artist.

>351 I love catchy songs, but synth strings sound better to me... I guess it's just a matter of personal preference lol

>352 That was a misleading way to put it. I took the J-pop in the flow of the conversation to mean mainstream Japanese pop in general, so I thought we weren't talking about Gane lol Gane doesn't need to force real strings into its songs. I actually prefer the current synth-string arrangements.

>353 No, sorry — I was the one who made it confusing. Yeah, exactly. Personally, I have no complaints about Old Man's arrangements apart from the drums. Actually, I really like them lol

Programming is fine for songs around the 2nd album. The attention to detail in “please~” is stylish and cool. If the 5th had used arrangements centered on real drums, it would've been an incredible masterpiece... What a waste.

The bonus-CD arrangements of “Hyakunen no Kodoku” and “Hana Yure” let the lyrics sink in more naturally. (Personally.) Once you hear versions like that, the single versions start to feel like they're confined to some kind of formula, maybe because of the tie-up restrictions. That's why I keep saying I want an Old Man-produced remix album!

Since it seems like nobody is looking forward to it, I'll buy Mochi's album. >355 The 5th is always “Anywhere,” no matter when I listen to it. Those drums are such a shame. When everything else is good but this one thing is bad, and that one thing happens to be programmed, it makes you want to curse them.

>356 Ah, I get it. I listened to Furui-san's solo album recently, and the quality is insanely high. I can't shake the feeling that even the programmed sounds are subject to GIZA restrictions lol >357 Anywhere is such a shame... Everything else is perfect. The 3rd, by contrast, has an atmosphere that probably wouldn't work with real instruments.

“Nogarere no Machi” and “Endless desire” absolutely have to use real instruments... just kidding. The synth brass in the intro to “Koisuru~” is so beyond cheap that it reaches the point of being hilarious.

Isn't that totally half-assed feeling exactly what makes it good?

Even if it's Mini-Crow, please give us this kind of “guitar-sounding sound.” ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBff4F5egLc

I think “Eden” would be better if they removed the drum part and let the bass and piano stand out more.

Speaking of guitar sounds, the chorus effect on “Eien ni Hōmure.” I want to hear that arrangement again.

The guitar solo in “Eien ni Hōmure” is really excellent. “Eimin” and “Eien ni Hōmure” have some of the coolest guitar solos from the early days. The live versions of “Eimin” and “clock work” are so cool I nearly wet myself. Old Man's synth strings and Mochi's arpeggios in “Eimin” are unbelievably beautiful.

You can really feel the taste in the intro to “Eimin.”

I want to lick Yurippe's naughty bits.

I wonder how many copies Mochi's album will sell.

I'll buy one first, so at least one copy is guaranteed to sell.

Is the brilliance from before “Crystal Gauge” never coming back?

>369 Don't... don't say that... (;_;)

The piano in the instrumental break of “cried a little” sounds exactly like Ayumi Hamasaki's “SEASONS,” but Hamasaki copied it, right? It absolutely has to be, right?

The intro to “Yume Mita Ato de” sounds exactly like “Let It Be,” right? The Beatles copied it, right? It absolutely has to be, right?

The Beatles debuted after Gane, didn't they...? What are you talking about? Just kidding. I'm looking forward to the new album. I wonder what kind of music they'll attack us with next.

The intro to “Stay” sounds exactly like “I'll Be There,” right? The Jackson 5 copied it, right? It absolutely has to be, right?

You don't have to listen to Hamasaki, the Beatles, or the Jackson 5. The GARNET CROW right in front of us is everything to me and you guys!

I want to have sex with Yurippe.

Me too.

There isn't a man who doesn't want to lol

Touching Yurippe feels almost too presumptuous. She's not like ordinary women to me. But she's the same on the inside, right? I'm projecting way too much onto her lol

>378 It's not that I don't want to, but with Yurippe I feel more strongly that I'd rather have her beat me up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCWZC_gZTP8 Around 8:37, is Yurippe going commando? Or is she wearing something underneath?

She's probably wearing leggings or safety shorts. That's standard.

I only realized now, but “Yurippe” is such a cute nickname. You can see Nana's extraordinary sense right there too...

>381 I've stared at that scene dozens of times, but all I can see is darkness...

I want to touch Ms. Yuri's beautiful, pale skin.

>380 I want her to stomp on my face with high heels.

At the fan-club event, AZUKI-san was wearing surprisingly heavy makeup. Was she trying to hide her wrinkles? She's aging beautifully, so she didn't need to push herself like that.

>380 >386 What exactly is Yurippe's image supposed to be...?

>388 The Queen, obviously.

Why does the Best Tour DVD have to skip doing full versions of all the songs I love so much? “Yūdachi,” “Sen Ijō,” “jewel fish” — please, just perform the full versions, I'm begging you.

>387 She's almost 40, so what can you do? lol But her figure was unbelievably good. Mochi next to her looked like Doraemon lol

The payment slip is hereーーー(*^o^*) I'll pay the 3,235 yen.

“Love is a Bird” is such a god-tier song my chest hurts.

That's a heart attack.

When are they finally going to play “Nogarere no Machi”? Even if they lower the key, please play it this time, seriously. It would absolutely shine live. The riff and melody are stylish and great.

Of course the members would ignore Yurippe if she tried to decide the next center position with rock-paper-scissors. She probably thought it would be fine if it was only for one song.

The photo on the official homepage (the regular-edition *parallel universe* cover) has an armadillo army closing in behind Yurippe. What is it supposed to represent? Is it a symbol of perverts?

↑ Depends on whether they have penises or not.

The armadillo army made me laugh lol

Those armadillo-army guys are definitely trying to crawl under Yurippe's skirt and peek.

I want to sniff Ms. Yuri's panties.

The Best Tour DVD is starting to gather dust lol I keep thinking I should watch it once in a while... but there isn't really any particular scene I want to see.

>402 I forced myself to buy it too, but I haven't watched it much lol

Gane's live shows get a huge boost from being there in person. It feels weird saying this as a fan, but the quality of the live DVDs on their own is hard to defend.

I watch the temple-concert DVD over and over.

>395 Have they seriously never performed “Nogarere no Machi” even once? They haven't, right? For Gane's next fan-club event, couldn't they do a hardcore show made up mostly of obscure songs — B-sides and album tracks they don't usually perform?

>402 The Best Live DVD is pretty mediocre, isn't it? I watch the Ninna-ji one sometimes too.

It's a shame Nana-sama doesn't stand out much in the Best Live.

Also, Yurippe is too sparkly and isn't cute.

>407 Yurippe in the Ninna-ji show is seriously cute. The ponytail suits her; she looks like a princess.

>409 The first outfit is a major negative, though. How did they even choose that one?

>410 She was beautiful at the Premiere show too. I prefer the frilly dress at Premiere to the red dress at the Symphonic show.

As for the clothes, Yurippe can wear whatever she wants. As long as she sings with a smile. Yurippe's smile is the most beautiful thing.

The Best Live should have included B-sides like “Jewel Fish” and “Crier~.”

“Go for it” is the best, obviously. I want them to play “Nogarere no Machi” too. Are there really that many other songs they've never performed?

>415 Timing, blue bird, hi-speed special oneday, Trans Trap, white out Shiawase na Pet, For South, Natsu no Owari no Nagai Ame, Float world, lose feeling Flower, Matsuri no Jikan, Circle Days, Itsuka Mata Aimashō, Tatoeba Jūnigatsu no Yoru ni CANDY POP, over blow, Kaze no Oto Dake wo Kiite, His Voyage, Ring Ring a ding Ushinawareta Monogatari, nonsense, Ichiban Suteki Datta Hi, Kanata Made Hikari wo, Mijikai Natsu Ai ni Niteru, la-la-la Sorekara 1・2・3 dreaming of love, wonderland, Please, forgive me, Nogarere no Machi, Only Stay U, fill away, picture of world, Yellow Moon, Mō Chotto Sagashite Mimashō doubt

>416 Oh, thanks. Wow, there really are quite a lot. And they're almost all songs I like lol Are they difficult songs to perform live?

They played “blue bird” at a fan event, with Mochi on backing vocals. I had really wanted to hear it, so I was incredibly happy.

>417 It's less that they're difficult to perform and more that they prioritize a song's popularity and newly released songs when choosing the setlist. So B-sides and some album tracks probably can only be sprinkled into the live show a few at a time. I'm already stuffed with “Yume Mita Ato de” and “Seichi” lol >418 Thanks for filling that in. I've never been to an FC event, and it's hard to get information, so that's helpful. I'm sure there are plenty of omissions, so please keep correcting me.

“blue bird” at the fan event was really good. Their cover of B'z's “Mō Ichido Kiss Shitakatta” surprisingly worked too lol

Nah, “Yume Mita” and “Seichi” are in a class of their own. Even more so with the string orchestra.

>419 I wouldn't mind “Yume Mita” and “Seichi” either lol Though I guess we all have various sentimental attachments to them.

>421 They were great at the Symphonic show. Both “Seichi” and “Yume Mita.” It's just that they're starting to feel less fresh. Well, that's just me asking for the impossible. >422 I get that they're sentimental songs, and they're good songs I like, but we still want to hear lots of new songs, right? Songs they've never performed before, songs they played at an earlier live show, songs that fit the season, and so on.

>416 So they've played songs like this and songs like that, huh. I wish I'd gotten to hear them.

>423 I want them to do bright, uptempo songs like “Koyoi Eden,” “Futari no Rocket,” and “Spiral” at the Countdown show, and at the International Forum show I'm going to, I want them to sing “Rhythm,” “A crown,” and “Yasashii Ame” lol That's my selfish little wish lol

>425 They already did “Yasashii Ame” at Symphonic, so I guess it depends on how much weight the members give to Orlava. “Rhythm” might have a pretty good chance; they often play songs from the early albums. Did they play “A crown” at Towa Vale? I feel like the odds are higher at the Countdown show lol I can't go to the Countdown show either because of work, so I'd be happy if they played my favorite songs at the Para-Uni live show. Personally, I'd like to hear “Sora ni Hanabi” one more time.

I want to drink Yurippe's pee.

Seeing Yuri Nana in the PVs for “Timeless,” “Yume Mita,” and コールマ makes me want to go back to those days.

Yuri-san in the “Timeless Sleep” PV is nothing other than an angel, if you ask me.

So even this place is getting visits from that unemployed moratorium guy now. Guess this thread is done for.

>430 What is this, Ringo Sheena?!

It's rare to find someone whose photos and real-life appearance differ as much as Mochi's. I'm talking about after “Yume no Hitotsu,” by the way.

Ironically, GIZA's jacket quality is better than its arrangement sense. Stop aiming for a gap between the jacket photos and reality and give us some decent arrangements lol

>426 I was happy they played “Ōkan” at Towa Vale, but I couldn't help feeling the passage of time too, for better or worse. Maybe that song's entire essence is in that cheap indie CD recording. Even if they do it this time, or during the album tour, it would feel kind of iffy.

>433 The more underwhelming the real person is, the more their jacket photo seems to be a total scam lol

>434 Well, time has passed and they're performing it as the Gane of that time, so there's nothing to be done about it. I don't think they can recreate the atmosphere from back then. It's not like they've been singing the song all the time, either. The fact that it was placed as the encore might have had some effect too.

The bass is pretty active in “over blow,” isn't it?

>432 Yeah, I saw Mochi up close at a fan event, and he had zero aura, just looked like some ordinary staff member. He's not as handsome as people make him out to be, either. The older guy was cooler.

01- Aozora Kanata 02- As the Dew〜album version〜 03- Over Drive 04- tell me something 05- Mayoi no Mori 06- Sora ni Hanabi〜orchestra session〜 07- Nagisa to Secret Days 08- The crack-up 09- strangers 10- Kyō to Ashita to Are we actually allowed to get our hopes up for “Mayoi no Mori,” guys?

>438 Okamocchi should change his hairstyle. His current one is way too lame.

>438 Nobody said he was handsome. I think his singing voice is handsome, though.

Well, singing voices are a matter of taste. I don't like a voice like Mochi's, though.

>439 I thought it was fake news, but it's true? Wasn't it supposed to be 11 songs in total, though? Well, the second one had about that many too, so whatever. Going by the title, is “Mayoi no Mori” going to be a song like “Nogarere no Machi”?

The second one has 12 songs if you count the rearranged versions, so the number of songs is still pretty low.

>444 Oh yeah, that's right. But the limited edition comes with a live DVD, and the regular edition has one bonus track, so it doesn't feel like that big a difference. More importantly, the quality of the new songs is the issue. I don't think we need to worry since it's Gane, though.

>442 Same here, I'm not really fond of that singing voice either. I think it works well for backing vocals, though.

Mochi is kind of iffy on uptempo songs, but he's good at his own guitar-pop songs and ballad covers. “Wasurezaki” was nice. Between a Gane album and an ACIDMAN album, I'm really looking forward to the new releases in December.

>447 “Wasurezaki” was good. Actually, I liked it better than when Yurippe sang it lol They should probably stop doing Mini-Cro. It'd be better to have Mochi sing. Or instead of Mini-Cro covering Gane songs, they should cover songs written for Yurippe or songs written for Mochi.

Mochi might actually sing “Wasurezaki” better. It instantly becomes a more mainstream ballad. A simple song like that probably suits a mellow, easy-to-listen-to voice like Mochi's.

Well, SUPER RIGHT will probably just be a one-off and never continue lol If they stubbornly put out another one, it'll have a different name again, maybe five years from now.

>SUPER RIGHT 　Super right-wing?

Mocchi was good on “Crystal Gauge.”

>452 It's hard to say Yurippe was good either, but Mochi's “Kurige” wasn't that great.

Mochi's “Kurige” wasn't that bad, was it? Besides, that song isn't really the kind where good singing stands out anyway.

Yurippe showed up in the official Diary. >“The impact of Natsuo Okamoto” I wondered what that meant, so I looked it up. Is it this↓? ttp://sankei.jp.msn.com/economy/business/100909/biz1009090035003-n1.htm

As expected of Yurippe. She's serious when it comes to boobs☆

>455 (´･ω･)「Goodbye, goodbye, my boobs」 She actually wants to say gags like this at live shows too, but the agency won't allow it, so she makes Mochi do it. Maybe she's constantly making dirty jokes with Nana and the others behind the scenes...

Even pushed together, still a low hill — Okamoto Santōka Flat as a board, hello — Okamoto's Sagan

Natsuo, you mean. Once you hit your forties, your mammary glands suddenly shrink, right? People who used to be stacked are the real tragedy. Yurippe never had any to begin with, so don't worry.

I wonder what would have happened if GARNET had belonged to a different agency.

>460 They probably wouldn't have been able to debut in the first place. I think the fact that they could form a unit was partly because they were with Being. On the other hand, being under Being has also held them back in some ways. A lot of people automatically dislike artists just because they're with Being.

>460 Nana wouldn't have been allowed into the band.

There wouldn't really have been a reason to include Nana-san. Yurippe's singing ability isn't anything special either, so who knows whether she would have debuted. Mochi wasn't originally in a band with them, and surprisingly few bands are short a guitarist. Kamite seems like an arranger specialized in Being too. He might have shown his talent as an arranger rather than as a band member, but it's questionable whether they would have brought him in as a member.

>460 If Nana had been younger, they probably would have forced her into being some cheap idol based on her looks, and it would've been a disaster lol As far as Nana goes, Being was probably a good fit. Selling her initial mystique and rarity worked. The staff also seem pretty casual, and it feels like she gets to do her own thing locally.

She was a local talent to begin with.

>465 She was a local talent? I mistakenly thought she was an announcer.

>466 She worked as a reporter when she was a student, but she wasn't an announcer.

>466 Search for 「菅谷りえ」 on YouTube and you'll see.

She probably hasn't changed on the inside at all, then or now lol

>469 So she was already this poetic back then? Impressive.

>468 I've seen that video. For some reason, watching it made me mistakenly think she was an announcer. I only watched it casually before, so I'll watch it again once the kids are asleep.

>461 I became a fan without even knowing they were Being artists, too. I can't thank them enough for creating GARNET. Otherwise, I would've gone through life without ever meeting Nana.

>455 Okamoto Natsuo says here that her C cup became an E cup. I don't understand what that means. Can changing your bra really make your bust bigger?

>460 If they'd been with Avex, they would've been treated half-assedly like Do As Infinity. If they'd been with Sony, they would've been turned into something like the Brilliant Green.

I don't know much about KARA, but I like them. I can't get this song out of my head. MV Kara Wanna [HD] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDTvh0_VLy4&playnext=1&list=PL88C02F8E9465B9AD&index=3

Wrong thread.

Mochi's solo sales totaled only a little over 1,000 copies, and they still haven't axed the solo project? lol But this bundled release feels like he was given one last chance.

If they bundle it together, the sales probably won't be disastrously low at least.

They should have Mochi cover GARNET songs for his solo project.

Poor Mochi, getting this much flak just for releasing a solo record for the first time in six years.

Poor Mochi. Anyway, just give in already and practice songs like “U” or “picture of world,” then play them at the next live show.

“U” was on Orlava, and Yurippe said she wanted to perform it, so maybe they'll do it at Para-Uni or some CD-related event? They probably won't do “picture~,” though. The way the fourth album has been treated is just sad...

AZUKI-san = GARNET's weapon of mass violence

I don't know how to describe it, but I want them to make more songs that are a little dark and cool. Songs like “Endless Desire,” “doubt,” and “Clockwork.”

Quit going on about “dark, dark,” you're noisy as hell. They're making them without you having to say so.

What lol? “Weapon of mass violence” is such a concise way to put it lol

>485 >“Quit going on about ‘dark, dark,’ you're noisy as hell.” 　Nice, nice.

I don't understand what the concept of this album is.

The fantasy known as “concept.”

>488 Isn't it song recycling? The songs got rejected by the tie-up partners, but they're gems in their own right, so the concept is to avoid wasting them and release them to the world.

In that case, there's no need to buy it.

tes

Mō Chotto Sagashite Mimashō ttp://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12679344 I might like this better than the original lol

About to bump this.

“Kono Te wo Nobaseba” isn't very popular, but I actually like these heavy, solid ballads.

It's a tier below “Kimi Kazarishi.”

It's easy to understand, but it gets boring.

One more day.

Mine arrived from Amazon. Is it because of my speakers? The sound is ridiculously thin. The only songs I can really listen to are the last three... The first one isn't bad either, but it leans way too hard on the vibe of “Over Drive.” “As the Dew” feels incredibly out of place. For some reason, the melody of “tell me something” sounds like Mr. Children. The lyrics feel way too calculated. The sound on “Mayoi no Mori” is such a disappointment (or is it just me?). This is turning into nothing but complaints. The last three songs are good. But still... what a bizarre album. I think this is the first time they've had so little cohesion. Maybe it'll grow on me if I listen to it more? I might not buy the next one.

↑Well, I can't exactly say I don't understand where you're coming from.

The transition into the chorus of “Kyō to Ashita to” makes my head feel all foggy. I haven't felt that way since “Ai ni Niteru” and “ON THE WAY.”

Why is “Hanabi” aiming for the northern night sky?

What do you think of the new album? At first I was like, “I dunno about this...” but the more I listen, the more it seems to grow on me. Still, it's a little disappointing that it doesn't have the feeling of a full cast of characters like “Stay.” It also feels like they didn't have enough time to work on the songs... >502 That part really makes you wonder, doesn't it? That one line gives the song so much more depth, and it's my favorite part.

Besides Polaris, there's also something in the northern sky commonly known as the Garnet Star. I think I'll aim for that one instead lol

I'm trying to decide whether to buy Mochi's album. What do you think?

>505 The lyrics are good, but the rhythm is kind of weak.

It's Nana-sama's little jab at Mochi and Kitasora (already fired).

>505 I like the first song, though.

>502 I thought it was a reference to “The Nighthawk Star.”

Sora ni Hanabi　★★★★ The Crack-up　★★★★ Mayoi no Mori　★★★☆ stranger　★★★☆ Kyō to Ashita to　★★★☆ Aozora Kanata　★★★ Over Drive　★★☆ tell me something　★★☆ Nagisa to Secret Days　★★☆ As the Dew　★★ Sora-Hana really is good after all.

It might've been better if they had released “Sora-Hana” and “As the Dew” as album tracks. Since they weirdly put them on Orlava and the best-of, they don't feel special anymore.

I bought it on release day, but I haven't even taken it out of the bag yet. Where did that passion I had back then go? >511 If they didn't include them, Orlava and the best-of wouldn't sell either. That kind of sales tactic started with the first best-of, but man, I don't know.

Orlava really wasn't necessary.

“As the Dew” is really awful, huh? It feels like they threw it in to pad the tracklist, then gave it a light arrangement because it didn't fit the rest of the album. I think this song symbolizes the album. This album was a stretch from the start. It's obviously an eco-minded album made by reusing the remains of Obadora, cramming in existing songs, and rushing to get something ready for the live shows! Haven't they already entered an “album doesn't sell → churn out more releases and add more live shows → album quality drops → album doesn't sell” “infinite spiral of flapping your wings while falling”?

“Nagisa” sounds like a ZARD song no matter how I listen to it.

>515 Now that you mention it, the melody and arrangement do feel pretty similar.

That's awfully negative... Though I felt the same way for the first two days after buying it. But I don't feel that way now. I listen to it every single day, and the last three songs even make me feel glad to be alive. In other words, stop overthinking it and listen with your soul.

The individual songs are fairly decent, but I don't think it works as an album. These days I listen to it on shuffle.

I'm jealous that you guys can judge an album's quality as a whole. All I can think is “album = lots of new songs to listen to.” But since I can only judge songs individually, I'm satisfied with this one too.

>519 Exactly the same here.

Who do you think you are, judging people? lol Why don't you go make GARNET yourself? lol Not that you could lol

What on earth is supposed to be “parallel universe” about it?

>522 Since it was their eighth album, they came up with a title starting with “pa.”

Since it was the eighth album, I thought it was Hatchan's turn to appear...

>522 Apparently it's because their old sense of wistfulness and fragility fused with a new side that's fresh and bright, letting you experience two worlds.

>524 “Eighth album, Octopus Hatchan, coming soon!”? That's pretty fresh. I like it.

Just heard it for the first time, and it's short... There are songs that were rearranged like “Namida no Kinō,” with the chorus moved to the front, and some lyrics are blatantly repeated. It's just... just... disappointing. It actually made me desperately want to listen to the seventh album.

I listen on headphones a lot, so please don't make the sound jump from left to right at the beginning. In both a good way and a bad way, it feels like they've let all the tension out.

The fact that Mochi's album was better than expected. Nana-sama's lyrics are great.

Mochi's album put a ton of effort into the arrangements and is packed with playful touches, which makes it interesting, but there are so many arrangement ideas that the melodies get buried and don't stick in your head. It's also a little disappointing that he changes his voice so much despite having such a good voice. I thought it was good at first, but I'm already tired of it. I want Mochi to release an album of Gane covers with simple arrangements.

Maybe he went all out because it had been so long since his last one. I agree about the voice; there was no need to change it so much.

He uses way too many effects lol I'd like to hear something raw, like just one acoustic guitar.

This was the first time I'd bought one of Mochi's albums, but on the day I listened to it, I ordered his first and second albums too. I'd like to hear more of his ballad-oriented stuff.

Even Yurippe on the first album had a lot of overdubbing, including the backing vocals, so I figured she probably wasn't confident in her unadorned singing voice. Though plenty of popular artists these days get cleaned up pretty heavily too. Still, Gane has nothing but songs that suit Christmas lol

Leaving early Yurippe aside, Mochi should just leave his voice as-is.

tes

I can't say I wouldn't like them to do a little of Mochi's solo material at a live show.

“parallel universe is an album where you can enjoy the feeling of various seasons all at once.” — the old man I thought, it's all in how you say it.

It was an album that felt kind of small-scale. Maybe somewhere between the sixth and seventh albums.

>502 Fireworks vanish in an instant, but stars keep shining, right? “The northern night sky” just sounds better as a phrase, and they're on the Pacific side anyway. It has less of an enka flavor than the Japan Sea side.

The Japan Sea is to the north and the Pacific is to the south, you know. Are you all right in the head?

Playing the new album's songs live makes them feel like a different rock band again. Since it's real live sound rather than programmed tracks, it's genuinely heavy. It feels like the piano and synth-lead sounds are gradually being cut out of the arrangements... It's something I've been worried about since the sixth album...

>542 The sixth album had a band sound, but I think the seventh had more piano in it.

If they're going to do a band sound, I want them to go all the way with it. It'd be even better if the keyboard sound were worked in skillfully.

But rock and piano actually go well together. It does make things feel a little old-fashioned, though.

At this rate, don't they have any need for Furui-san anymore?

Yurippe and Nana-sama are indispensable as the composer and lyricist, and Mochi is essential for attracting female fans, right? The old man is the one who's least necessary.

How can you say that? The old man is going to cry.

>547 Mochi doesn't have any female popularity either (though there is one weird Mochi otaku woman lol). If anything, most of the people cheering for Mochi are men. The girls are either squealing over Nana-sama or are all ponytail girls who look up to Yurippe. So Mochi is the one we don't need.

There isn't anyone they don't need, is there?

Does “Crystal Guage” have a similar vibe to Aztec Camera's “Oblivious”?

There are groups with 48 members in this world, so how could a group of just four have someone they don't need? Mochi and Furui-san are obviously both necessary.

>552 >“There couldn't be someone they don't need.” You mean, “There couldn't be anyone they don't need,” right?

>553 I'll go back and start over from elementary school (sweat).

It's Mochi season again, Okamocchi.

tes

Looks like someone died from mochi again this year.

Mochi needs some improvements, huh?

I want to have sex with Yurippe.

I came back to Gane and started listening to their songs again for the first time in a while, and the new album really feels like they've finally squeezed out everything they had... I wonder if the next one will be an extension of this too. Was that jazzy, stylish vibe of the previous album the last bit of flavor they could get by squeezing it completely dry?

Does the lack of posts reflect the quality of this album? I thought “Mayoi no Mori” and “The crack-up” were genuinely great, but everything else feels like a collection of rejected songs. Personally, I want them to stop the live shows and the nonsensical promotion and focus solely on making music like they did in the early days.

“strangers” is pretty good too, though.

But it's only that good, really. Lately it kind of feels like there's a gap between the lyrics and the music.

It feels like they've put too much emphasis on anniversary celebrations and performances. The live shows are nice, but this time I wish they'd put more work into the production. There was absolutely no freshness. Both the melodies and arrangements feel like they've run out of ideas. Doing all sorts of things for an anniversary just doesn't feel right for Gane. Maybe a homely, celebratory vibe doesn't suit them. I want them to keep that viewpoint of standing one step back and observing things. Am I being selfish?

>560 By “the previous album,” you mean the seventh album, right? Would you really call that jazzy...?

By the way, why doesn't this new release have a PV? I was looking forward to one.

>565 “Stay” and “Rainy Soul” kind of have that feel, I guess. Maybe it's the impression left by the title track; there is a stylish atmosphere to it. But if you look at them individually, they're totally different. “Hallelujah,” for example, has the feel of a '90s song, or an anime song from around that time.

Making a PV for an album like that would be a waste.

>566 Their schedule was packed, so it couldn't be helped.

I'd like them to finally spend some money on one PV that matches the song without having the members appear in it.

I actually like this album quite a bit. I can't wait to go to karaoke.

Listening to it while taking a dump cures constipation.

They've never performed “Float World” live, right? I really want to hear it.

More than that, I want “Nogarere no Machi”... The vocal range might make it difficult, but the arrangement would probably work great live. Heavy, distorted guitar riffs like that are rare in Gane songs, so I really want to hear it performed live.

I feel like they weren't in very good shape on the live tour back then. If they'd performed “Nogarere no Machi” at the time, it would've been a disaster. I have no idea whether this song is popular with the fans, though.

>573 They played it on the best-of tour.

>576 Seriously? It's not on the live DVD, though... Did the setlist differ depending on the venue?

Nice try, newbie.

>576 How was it? Did they lower the key?

>579 It wasn't included on the live DVD, but they definitely sang it at the Grand Cube Osaka venue. I don't know whether they lowered the key.

I'd be happy if they played rare B-sides live too, of course, but personally I'd like to hear some singles they don't perform very often. Things like “Hare Dokei,” “Kimi wo Kazaru,” and “Nake Naka.”

>580 Well, I haven't heard it, so I can't really say, but they probably lowered the key. The fact that even “Yume Mita Ato de” isn't in the original key makes me jealous of anyone who got to see Kudda perform that song. “Nake Naka” gets criticized so much it's a problem. At this rate, even its reputation as a live song will fade away and disappear. The bass line and lyrical world are interesting, though. Would it have been better if it were a little more danceable? I can't get enough of that vaguely retro atmosphere.

Yurippe said key nerds are creepy.

I think “Nake Naka” on the “Kimi to Iu Hikari” live DVD is pretty cool, though.

The brightness and childishness of “Shisha to~” mixed with Yurippe's all-out singing somehow has the opposite effect and gets stuck in my head lol Especially the parts like: 哀しみさえ〜見失いそうでぇ〜。　　え〜♪（o＿O）！ and あの日はまだ〜まんなかに立ってたぁ〜。　あ〜♪（o＿O）！

Yurippe, hurry up and get married already.

>585 >“頭に憑いて” Interesting choice of kanji there.

tes

It's a real shame that “Nogarere no Machi” wasn't included on a live DVD. People rated this song highly in various places from the very beginning. It made me think, wow, Gane can make some seriously cool riffs too. I want to hear more songs with this kind of languid, gothic atmosphere. The current stuff is basically just kayōkyoku-flavored songs with the guitar pushed to the front.

I think the kayōkyoku feel is mainly because of her voice, though.

She does belt it out. Is some kind of change in the voice just inevitable with Being? Is it a singing-technique issue? No, her vocal tone has definitely changed. Only fans would notice, but her voice got thicker around the third album. She had been layering it with choruses and overdubs before that, so I guess it is a kind of growth, though.

She really can't sing, huh? Her high notes are more stable, but she insists on emphasizing the middle and low range, which makes it even worse.

What songs have emphasized the middle and low range lately, for example? My only impression of her recent work is that it emphasizes the high notes. Besides, I thought that distinctive middle-low register was her selling point in the first place.

Why are you saying “lately”? Besides, what I mean is that she can't sing, yet tries to make that distinctive middle-low register her selling point, so she ends up sounding really awful. I'm sure the otaku will call it “character.”

>593 only has the impression that recent songs emphasize the high notes, which contradicts >592's opinion, so he's probably asking about recent songs. That would be different if >592 had been talking only about the early days from the beginning, though.

I see, my bad. Then let's use “As the Dew.” Whether old or new, a lot of people hear the A and B melodies, decide they're bad or creepy, and reject them without even listening properly.

>596 I see. Yurippe's high notes do carry well, but she seems to strain too much in the middle and low range. Lately, I felt that in the A and B melodies of “Aozora Kanata.” Personally, though, “As the Dew” didn't bother me that much. What people find creepy is probably the vocal tone, not her lack of skill.

Because of her vocal tone, she'll probably be treated as a bad singer throughout her career lol She strains way too hard to keep “As the Dew” low from start to finish. Even I have questions about the melody section. The arrangement and melody create a jazzy, languid, stylish flow, but I think they could've balanced it better and set the key a little higher.

Gane's jazzy songs are great, aren't they? They also put out somewhat dark R&B songs, but even those are jazzy without being too heavy, so they're easy to listen to. Though when it comes to the arrangements themselves, Being's sound is a little thin lol

People have been saying her vocal tone is creepy since way back, but that's purely a matter of taste. Whether she's actually a bad singer is still a mystery. Could someone who was truly bad at singing perform a song like “wish”? It could be because she doesn't use vibrato, but you wouldn't call a guitarist bad just because they can't do vibrato either.

I think being good or bad at singing goes beyond technique, so you can't sum it up in a single word. Even a very simple song that requires no technical skill can become something unique depending on who's singing it. Looking at it from a purely technical standpoint, not having vibrato doesn't make someone a bad singer. Kiyoe-chan from Ikimonogakari doesn't use vibrato either, but she has CD-level stability straight from her throat.

It's hard to judge whether someone is a good or bad singer, but I like Yurippe's voice. Lately, though, when she sings high notes live, she just belts them out. It has punch, but it's a little hard to listen to. I want a little more stability. She's become a much better singer compared to the past, but I feel like some of her appeal has faded.

Yurippe's voice is appealing, isn't it? Though her voice on Parallel is the worst.

I like that the drums don't dominate too much on Para-Uni. Rotsukusu was hell from beginning to end...

Songs with a fairly fast tempo feel vocally underexpressed. If she doesn't put any emotion into them, they don't have that characteristic sense of speed. Not that there are many songs like that. In cases like this, the programmed parts are weak too, so I'm not really fond of the studio recording of “Spiral.” It's the kind of song that transforms when a live band cooks it up onstage.

The version of “Spiral” on the five-year-anniversary best-of feels a little heavier in that respect. It really comes alive live. What a strange song lol

>600 When I first heard her, I was actually kind of taken by the fact that her voice was a little creepy despite her cute face. Once I got used to it, I thought it was a completely beautiful, distinctive voice. I didn't like “Spiral” when it was played on TV. I had no idea it was the same singer.

It sounds like the voice of a disabled person. People who provide care hear it all the time and are used to it, so they can immediately understand what that disabled person is saying, but a first-time listener has trouble making out their words. That's the kind of voice it is. I think she keeps expressing social issues involving disabled people through that voice. And I think she keeps using that voice so people can get used to it and interact with and understand disabled people more.

Don't make us deal with you showing off by writing a whole essay like that.

With vocalists like this, their speaking and singing voices are often surprisingly different, but Yurippe's speaking voice is kind of muffled too, so it's fairly close to her singing voice. Even when the song itself is catchy and very J-pop, Yurippe's vocals bring out an appeal that only she can create. I think they function perfectly as the absolute individuality that's most important in a vocalist: coloring everything in her own style. You can't get that distinctive nostalgia in “Wasurezaki” by singing with too much emotion. By not forcing the emotion and leaving the song's nuances up to the listener, you naturally start to empathize with it, if that makes sense.

That's because she writes the songs herself.

Even so, songs like “Wasurezaki” and “Yume Mita Ato de” are good songs, but they're pretty faithful to the basic, classic formula. With most vocalists, they'd probably turn into ordinary songs.

The first time I heard her, I thought it was a fat woman with a blocked nose singing.

After watching the first LIVE DVD, plenty of people probably got scared off by how much worse her singing was than on the CD. Her sales had been climbing steadily since “Crystal Gauge,” then they kept dropping and dropping. And her performances of “Yume Mita” and “Spiral” on the infamous M Station were awful too.

>614 I was the exact opposite lol That kind of instability was her greatest appeal to me. She went from “an artist who writes good songs” to a god in my eyes. Her singing has definitely improved lately, but her mystique is disappearing and she's starting to feel like an ordinary singer.

It's fine to say sales have fallen, but you also have to account for the fact that their Oricon trajectory was rising while CD sales across the music industry as a whole were steadily declining.

“Namida no Yesterday” and “Over Drive” did well in terms of results (their Oricon rankings and the sales gap compared to other singles). Sales really took a sharp drop starting with “Yume no Hitotsu.”

Honestly, even as a fan I never thought they'd make it this far lol >615 Their musical style has changed quite a bit, though, and they've tried all sorts of things over these ten years. They've made a concept album, pushed synths and piano to the front in genres like prog rock and post-rock, and so on. I hope they keep at it. But they probably won't ever push the sound to the front, will they? That's Being for you.

>618 The concept album felt less like a challenge and more like they gathered up the leftovers from the best-of. I'd like them to make a genuinely selected album without worrying about whether the songs had been included on a best-of or not. They've held all kinds of events and done plenty of live shows, so there have been lots of changes, and you can see that they're trying to respond to the fans too. I hope they keep working hard.

>619 I didn't explain myself well. I don't mean collecting previously released Being songs and selling them over and over. I mean I'd like them to make an album that expresses a message around one central theme. Something like Pink Floyd's “The Dark Side of the Moon” or ELP's “Tarkus,” a grand, epic album like that. I wish they'd make one. Though you hardly ever see that kind of thing anymore lol

>620 Towa Vale is probably pretty close to that, isn't it? Albums of that type are really difficult to make. There are issues with including singles, and the company can reject things too. I don't know how it is with Being, but artists have to deal with all kinds of complications and vested interests, so there are a lot of difficult parts.

This thread is full of people writing essays just to show off.

Am I the only one looking forward to seeing how experimental a sound they can make under the restrictions of Being as a company and label?

In Japan, experimental music like prog rock and post-rock is only accepted by a tiny minority. Gane works hard for a mainstream Japanese artist, but in the end they're still within the bounds of pop and kayōkyoku. Compared to the real thing, they're still fakes. Besides, with that lineup that has neither bass nor drums, nobody will take them seriously as a band.

Why did they choose such an awkward lineup? Two keyboardists with no bass or drums is a pretty bad balance, right?

Then from next time on, Nana-san can be the drummer.

>624 That's too extreme, too extreme. Gane just needs to incorporate bits of post-rock and prog-rock. That's the fun of pop music: it doesn't commit itself to one genre. They could actively use spacey effects on the guitar, for example. Even if they can't make the real deal, I think they can make something interesting. Yurippe's songs have some pretty wild key changes too. I don't want to rank genres against each other. Pop is pop, Gane is Gane, post-rock is post-rock, and prog is prog. None of them is so absolute that it should get in the way of the others. There are plenty of genres that work fine without drums and bass. It's just a shame that Gane only uses programmed sounds as a substitute for live instruments.

I think “kayōkyoku” is the term that fits Gane's songs best lol Every song has a melody and chorus, and the sounds and melodies are easy to get into, so I don't get a prog-rock impression at all. The arrangements are beautiful across the board, but I think Yurippe's voice is what gives them their individuality.

The melodies are pretty disjointed, though. They force them into the chorus or jump straight into a key change, which makes them pretty hard to sing. The singer herself probably struggles the most lol The synth Mellotron in “Yume Mita” and the oboe strings in “Wasurezaki” give off a little prog-rock nostalgia. Personally, I'd like them to do something like gothic metal. “Nogarere no Machi” has a little of that feel. Was it based on Evanescence?

I started listening to Gane because I'd gotten tired of avant-garde stuff.

>629 Personally, “Yume Mita” and “Wasurezaki” just sound like pure J-pop to me lol Mellotrons and strings aren't anything unusual these days. I don't know about prog rock, but I can definitely feel the nostalgia. >630 I get it. Gane has beautiful melodies and sounds, the lyrics are beautiful too, and everything is balanced so you can listen comfortably.

Isn't “nonsense” or “Futari” pretty experimental?

I became a Gane fan precisely because they're fundamentally universal pop and kayōkyoku. If they'd strayed from that, I never would've become a fan.

>632 “Futari” sounds like something a three-piece girl-rock band like Chatmonchy would do.

I got hooked before the first album by the strange melodies of the early singles, which weren't exactly conventional. So it's lonely that I gradually stopped feeling that old excitement in the melodies. I love Yurippe's voice, the way it seems to scratch at your heart, and I plan to keep listening forever, but these days... to put it negatively, it feels like they're using that voice and the key changes to make up for the melodies being ordinary.

>635 I get what you mean. It hasn't quite become childish, but I think it's starting to have the energy of a first-year college student. The songs sound like they want to cut loose.

Yurippe has already written well over a hundred songs, so it must be hard to keep making every song with your whole heart. She seems to keep working seriously, though. I wonder if she ever takes a long vacation.

Given their position, they feel like Being's hands and feet. The music industry is tough enough already, and Being doesn't have many artists putting up decent sales lol I guess it can't be helped. I wish they could jump ship from Being somewhere else. EMI, maybe.

Could they survive going indie? I feel like they'd make better songs if they could create freely.

Just look at what happened to the artists who left Being... Besides, Furui-san and Nana-san have activities outside Gane too, so I think changing labels or going indie would be difficult for them.

Mochi too. If they changed labels, I feel like they'd all split up.

Changing labels probably isn't possible. They're a group that only exists because of Being.

What do Furui-san and AZUKI-san do outside GARNET?

>642 The four of them are only working together because they're all with Being. With things so tough these days, I don't think the members would leave Being and take on that risk. GIZA's situation is pretty grim too, so maybe all they can do is keep working themselves to the bone with no time or money.

>643 They each provide lyrics and do arrangements, among other things. The three of them, including Mochi, are basically like company employees, aren't they? Mochi and the old man also join the backing bands at other artists' shows. ZARD, for example. They even appeared on Kōhaku lol Good thing it wasn't during the Countdown.

>645 But I haven't heard of these two providing songs to other artists in the last few years. Tell me who they've written for.

>646 I don't know either. Maybe they haven't been providing songs lately? I don't know whether it's because Gane has been keeping them busy.

Nana-san doesn't write lyrics for Mochi's songs anymore, either.

I don't know whether Nana-san stopped writing for Mochi, or whether Mochi wanted to write his own stuff. He does all the instruments himself too, so maybe he wants to handle the lyrics as well.

Furui-san seems insanely busy. With all the live shows increasing, arranging for Gane alone must keep him fully occupied. Nana-san has also been more subdued within Gane lately, so maybe it's hard to ask her for various favors? Besides, even before the issue of providing songs, all the people they used to provide songs to—their clients—have disappeared lol

>649 He doesn't play instruments; he uses programming lol But he did take on the entire range of work that the old man, Yurippe, and Nana would normally do.

Of course lol >programming It just occurred to me: does Nana-san actually play the keyboards on the recordings? Or does she only play them live? Even if the old man plays them too.

>650 That probably connects to what they said at the FC event about the number of days off being different.

Doesn't Being simply have no artists left to provide songs to these days? There probably aren't even any songs to give them lol What a waste of Furui-san and AZUKI-san's talent lol

>649 Okamocchi is a man, after all, so he probably has the pride to want to make it big and sell on his own, right? Though apparently he wants to be popular with women even more lol At the FC event he said something like, “I wouldn't be who I am now without all the members,” but it's about time Okamocchi wrote a good song and proved himself as a man lol

Mochi isn't bad, but he's weak as a melody maker. I'm not asking him to make something that appeals to the general public that much; I just want to see some development with a hook. “Res-no” is about the only song that left an impression on me lol >652 He doesn't play them. People have been saying this for a while, but if it's just the instrumental performance, the live show would work even without Nana.

Well, if it's just the instrumental performance, everyone except Yurippe could be replaced. Furui-san is still the best for arrangements, though.

This company already has an outrageous precedent with WANDS, so I really don't want Gane to continue after Yurippe leaves lol

I wonder if the new release isn't very popular. Now this feels like a real concept album.

>659 What kind of concept?

Isn't a concept album supposed to be made by writing songs specifically so that the whole album becomes one complete work? The new release feels more like they simply gathered up songs that were already lying around...

Hmm... Like Yurippe said in the interview, it's made so that the image of “new Gane” and “the Gane up to that point” running parallel and intersecting is spread through every corner of the arrangements, melodies, and lyrics. The intricately woven beats of “Mayoi no Mori” and “Crack-up,” for example. The way the voice resonates. It's way too convincing. Still, I can understand why an album with only ten songs, most of them already existing, hasn't exactly become a big topic...

I have no idea what you're talking about.

>661 I can feel a certain brilliance in the way they've cooked up this collection of leftovers...! People often say the poison is gone, or the mystique is gone, but I wonder if they simply changed where they put their effort? Especially with the lyrics. Without listening to the album as a whole, a lot of these songs would leave nothing but an impression of being light, breezy pop.

My friend seemed a little interested in GARNET, so I lent him a CD. I was surprised when he got more interested in the Mochi CD I'd thrown in as a bonus. Apparently the GARNET one wasn't his thing.

Since it's an album, it definitely has a sense of cohesion > the eighth But as individual songs, they're still pretty minor. It feels like they took things they'd done before and stitched them together again. I think this is the work from all their albums where I felt the least freshness or experimental attitude. Not that I'd call it a bad album.

Hmm, it might be a little minor... Personally, I felt that the experiments from “as a dew” on the best-of through “Over Drive” to “Sora ni Hanabi” were condensed and elevated into the album's two lead tracks. Anyway, the balance of the programmed sounds and arrangements is flawless. It's an album I can keep listening to without getting bored.

The direction they're going in came through clearly, but the impression it left was weak. “Mayoi no Mori” also left me feeling pretty let down considering its title.

They would've been better off leaving “As the Dew” off entirely, or not arranging it at all ('・ω・`)

>665 Which GARNET songs did you lend him?

He asked to borrow the album with “flying” on it, so I lent him the first one. Apparently he liked the voice and arrangement of the game version of “flying” better, so it wasn't what he expected.

>671 I see.

I also prefer the game version to the single version, where that single bass note just keeps ringing out, because the game version has a light guitar riff coming in.

I prefer the single version's sound, but Yurippe's singing is better in the game version. The way she sings as if she's spitting the words out is the best.

The single version has the best intro.

Not の, but が. Typo orz

I want them to make an album based on the concept of using live instruments on every song. I'd like to hear what that would sound like. It'd be a waste not to use dedicated drummers like Kurumatani, PON, and Kurose.

Put Ōhashi on bass. Looking back, Gane's band members are an impressive lineup. Ōhashi comes from the metal world, Kurose is a B'z support member, and guitarist Ōga needs no introduction—now that Shibasaki and Tagawa are gone, he's Being's premier technical-wank guitarist.

Where's Miguel already?

The appeal of Cyber and Miguel is an important part of the story, so it's worth talking about. They provide arrangements in a completely different league from anyone else at Being. How on earth did they find those guys? They got connected through Kuraki, right?

There really is absolutely no information about Cyber or Miguel. Even within secretive Being, nobody knows anything. Aside from the percussion-style arrangement on “Maboroshi,” though, they really do provide great arrangements.

Will Miguel keep participating from now on? Wasn't there some talk about him pulling out?

>682 Seriously? Sorry to the old man, but I want to hear a Miguel remix. How about on the next concept album?

We don't need another concept album...

Miguel is definitely good, but he doesn't really suit Yurippe's vocals anymore... Judging by Para-Uni, maybe they've abandoned that pseudo-Western-music direction. Her vocals can transform that much, after all—bare legs, teased-up hair, heavy makeup... Going back to something old: >600 >When I first heard her, I was actually kind of taken by the fact that her voice was a little creepy despite her cute face. >Once I got used to it, I thought it was a completely beautiful, distinctive voice. Speaking of that, the fourth-album live is the best lol A super old-man voice coming out of a cute face lol

The cuteness of Yurippe on the fourth album is seriously abnormal.

I really like the “call my name” remix. Who did it?

>685 Calling it an old-man voice is going a bit far lol But honestly, there is something kind of scary about it lol

The old man doesn't have a voice that cute.

I like her voice on the fourth-album live too. There aren't many people who can make a voice like that.

The fourth album itself is great, after all. I don't own the first one, so I can't compare them, but somehow the fourth is still my number one.

If you like the fourth album, I seriously recommend the first one.

I like the fourth, but I find the first one kind of iffy. It feels like it's missing some warmth and strength.

>690 It's not that she can't make that voice; she just doesn't lol But the fact that she sings with that kind of voice is part of Yurippe's appeal.

I've never seen Mochi play guitar like this before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCllsBej6JI

He's had that one since way back.

“strangers” feels fresh because it's like a gentle song made by a rock band.

>695 AZUKI-san getting so into it is way too cute.

>685 He kind of looks like Kenji Onishi lol

>695 Nana-sama is so cool.

>695 Are you talking about the part where he switches to an electric-acoustic guitar halfway through? That made me laugh a little lol

>695 Nana-sama is adorable. The crowd's energy cracked me up too lol

Does Yurippe ever get angry?

I was listening to Radiohead's new album, and for some reason it made me want to listen to Para-Uni lol Listening to it again, my impression is that it's a very pop album. I wonder if they'll stick with this direction from now on. >703 I've never seen it, but she must be terrifying when she's angry lol

>704 Radiohead released a new album?

I'm not an anti-fan at all, but I think Yurippe has been mixing her public and private life way too much lately. Mini-Cro is basically just something she's doing because she wants to be with Mochi, right? Couldn't they just do that at the Countdown live show? Also, I think she makes her bad mood way too obvious in her attitude. No matter how bad her mood is, showing it in front of the audience is rude to the people who paid to come see her, even as a professional. I guess everyone around her spoiled her, and she got carried away.

>705 They did. It's called “The King of Limbs.” You can listen to the whole thing on YouTube. I like Mini-Cro's acoustic style, so I'm all for it.

It's less about wanting to be with Mochi and more that GARNET should be the four of them together. And it takes way too long. I wouldn't mind if Mochi just casually did GARNET covers like before, but instead they rebuild a huge set, change clothes, and drag things out for three to five songs. There's way too much MC too. If there's going to be MC, I'd like Nana-san and Furui-san to join the conversation as well. Mini-Cro itself has some good acoustic arrangements. I only realized how good songs like “Koi no Aima ni” were after hearing the Mini-Cro CD, and came to like them. It's not that I hate Mini-Cro itself; I just want them to make the timing flow a little more smoothly. I know they're having fun, but I feel like they could just switch guitars instead of going to the trouble of changing clothes.

We don't need the costume-change version of “Rainy Soul.” That long wait even though it isn't an encore... At least play some live instruments. Why come to a live show only to have to listen to the CD recording? Isn't it weird that “Mizu no Nai” is Mini-Cro's signature song? That's Nana-sama's star turn! Besides, this is a GARNET live show, so just perform as the four of them the whole time... So yeah, I think we've had enough Mini-Cro.

>706 It's not that Yurippe wants to do it; the people above her are making her, right? Mochi in particular has openly said he's busy, and apparently he was complaining to Yurippe too lol Yurippe also kept saying things like she wanted to go somewhere tropical or run away. She worked her ass off through an insane schedule of flying all over the place for promotion during rehearsals, so criticizing her would be way too cruel lol

She seems to like doing projects like that, so I feel like it was probably Yurippe's idea. Now she's saying she wants to try playing piano four-hands too lol I don't think it has anything to do with wanting to be together. (If they were that kind of relationship, they'd want to spend time together privately.) Mochi does Mini-Cro, radio, and solo work, and even draws pictures. He's a real hard worker. Maybe he's just a nice guy, or maybe he simply does whatever he's told lol

Yurippe is a positive, good person.

The “I only recognize WANDS if Uesugi is in it” theory.

>709 Does Nana-sama even want to be the star of the show?

>714-san That's basically an unspoken rule. The fans all acknowledge that “Mizu no Nai” is Nana-sama's star song.

They've probably made it this far because they treat each other strictly as business partners.

>710 At the FC event, AZUKI-san said the workloads among the members were wildly different, and I thought maybe AZUKI-san was busy while Okamocchi was taking it easy.

>717 At the FC event, Mochi said he'd get fired if he worked like AZUKI-san lol >Mochi Apparently there are times when even the members and staff can't get in touch with AZUKI-san.

But from what I've heard, it doesn't sound like Nana simply failed to contact anyone. She had told them she was going on a trip and what day she'd be back, so they called her that day. For some reason they couldn't get through to her even though she was supposed to be home, and everyone around her started panicking. That's probably what happened.

>715 In other words, that's your own personal rule. Got it.

The groove of “Mizu no Nai Hareta Umi e” on LOCK ON is incredible. I know Kawaichi gets criticized lol, but he and Ōhashi make a good team.

The kick and snare on “Mizu no Nai” feel a little strange when they stand out that much. The heavy, chest-hitting feel isn't bad, though. I'm fine with the bass pushing things along hard. The rhythm section really comes alive on the sixth album's songs, though.

Do Kurumatani-san and Kamei-san not play drums for GARNET CROW anymore?

In the past few years, Kamei-san has only played cajón at a fan event, as far as I know. But honestly, his drumming is pretty mediocre, so before worrying about whether he meshes with Kurose's drums, it's just boring. It'd be fine if he merely lacked personality, but his technical ability is low too.

GARNET CROW has quite a few rock songs; they just need to use real drums.

Even their early songs would be cooler with real drums. “Eimin” would be awesome with real drums, wouldn't it? When the intro starts at a live show, it gets me hyped.

I don't care about drums.

I already like songs with a band sound, so drums are pretty important to me personally.

I like bands too, but keyboards >>> drums for me. If they're aiming to be a band, I'd rather have the four of them do it. I think the sounds a band can make with just its members are what define that band's sound. I don't think that lineup is necessarily good, but if you throw everything into it, a band starts to lose its individuality, I feel.

Furui-san should play bass.

There was a time when the old man played bass at a fan event or something, right? I couldn't hear it at all, though.

Basically, adding drums to GARNET CROW can only be a plus, never a minus, right? Besides, Gane's programmed drums are more pathetic than the arrangements for artists at other companies. They're worse than amateurs on NicoNico. The snares go *pachapacha* in this disgusting way, and the number of hits is just the bare minimum of a pattern. It really only serves the most basic function of programmed drums.

It's not guaranteed that it wouldn't be a minus. It'd be one thing if they'd had a drummer from the beginning, but they've been doing this as four people for over ten years. The question is whether a new member could be accepted into that setup. That goes for the four of them, and for the fans too. Without the human-relationship aspect, it would simply be a plus, but humans perform it and humans listen to it, so feelings are involved. It's not that simple.

>733 I think they're not talking about adding a new drummer as a member, but replacing the programmed drums with real drums...

>734 I see. Sorry, I misunderstood.

>733 The members themselves don't seem especially attached to keeping the lineup as-is, but there are probably fans who would hate it.

The drums are the only disappointing part of “Maboroshi.”

They sound like the punch effects from a fighting game lol Can't Being do something about those drums? I don't think they're even doing the bare minimum job that programmed drums are supposed to do. GARNET CROW isn't making a genre where programmed drums are essential, so if they have any spare capacity, I really wish they'd have a drummer contribute to the songs. To take it to an extreme, synth bass is fine for bass, since the bass instrument isn't very prominent anyway. Synth strings have their own flavor too, and even regular bands replace strings with synths sometimes. But drums? No, you don't get a pass.

>733 Obviously we don't need a new member lol I just want a support musician to consistently support the CD recordings. What was the deal with occasionally switching to live instruments before? They made the rhythm section on “Futari no Rocket” live and removed the programmed parts, for example. Why not do that all the time lol

The limits of an idol band.

That programmed stuff.

Is that programmed stuff really so awful? The tones are different for every song, and it seems like they put a fair amount of care into making it...

Sorry for going off-topic. I hear the ZARD memorial show is being released on DVD. At the Tokyo Gymnasium show, everyone except Nana-san performed, right? Are they putting the entire Tokyo Gymnasium show on DVD? Or is it more like a selection of performances from that year's memorial shows? I'm debating whether to buy it for Mochi, Furui-san, Ōga-san, and Morishita-san.

That programmed stuff is Being quality.

In the '90s, the drums were of their time. The programming was monotonous, but the drums had some heft. “A CROWN” follows that tradition, doesn't it? The drum programming on that one is especially old-fashioned. Once GIZA was founded and they started actively promoting female artists, things gradually became disappointing.

>743 The members except Nana-san appeared at both the 2008 and 2007 shows. Neither one includes every song, though. The other 2008 regional shows are labeled documentary footage, so I assume the main content is footage from Yoyogi National Gymnasium. Check the ZARD website for the detailed track listing. It looks like the 2009 release won't include the Osaka show where Yurippe appeared ;;

The first album is a masterpiece. Listening to it now, it's still a very distinctive album even within GARNET CROW's catalog. The sound has a lot of weight, and regardless of whether the songs themselves are good or not, the rhythms are powerful and feel great.

>747 Do people who support the early material mostly come at it from that perspective?

>748 I just like the songs.

No, more than anything, it's the musicality and the quality of the songs. They have a languid, mysterious guitar-pop sound with a hint of nostalgia woven into it.

Whether a song is good is ultimately a matter of taste, right? I don't think the songs on the first album are particularly better than the others. Maybe the album's reputation just raised the bar in my own head.

The first album brings out all the members' strengths (except Okamocchi). I think that was when GARNET was shining the brightest.

If anything, I feel like Mochi's playing was more intricate in the early days. It wasn't flashy, though.

If anything, I feel like Mochi's playing was more intricate in the early days. It wasn't flashy, though. I don't particularly like the songs on the first album, but listening to it gives me energy somehow. I don't know why.

I'm a fourth-album supporter, but I'd rank the first one somewhere in the middle. Its clarity is nice, but in a way it also feels like it has too little color.

I think “Meguri Kuru Haru ni” is GARNET CROW's classic style. Objections accepted.

The sound on the fourth album feels kind of dowdy overall.

I prefer her vocals from after she developed more power, so I'm not that into the first album. But I do like the sense of speed in songs like “rhythm.”

>754 This may be hard to say, but a lot of the guitar on the early material wasn't played by Mochi, right? It's obvious on “Kimi no Ie ni Tsuku Made Zutto Hashitte Yuku” from the first album, and I think someone else played everything except the guitar solo on “Timeless Sleep,” which came a little later too.

The first album really does give me energy. Not to mention the mystique and all that, but it feels very pure as music. I think the latest release is the closest thing to the first album.

It's unusual to hear that the poorly reviewed eighth album (which I like) is close to the first.

First of all, I don't think the theme of “the sky” suits Gane. “Over Drive” is one thing, but the other rejected songs weren't needed.

>759 Wasn't most of it played by Ōga?

I checked the wiki, and Ōga-san did play more of it in the early days. At the early live shows, Mochi kind of seemed to defer to Ōga-san. Not so much anymore, though.

I only started listening recently. Tell me some songs you'd recommend.

>765 All of them.

>765 Whatever song your intuition picks.

>765 Garnet Shopping.

>765 I use “Namida no Yesterday” as my ringtone and “Koyoi Eden no Katasumi de” as my alarm. That's me.

>765 Rather than recommendations, here are some I like: Sky, Dreaming of love, Mizu no Nai Hareta Umi e, Holding and Swinging Happy days?, Pray, Marionet Fantasia, Nogarere no Machi, U, Tsumetai Kage Anywhere, Maboroshi, Rasty Rail, The first cry, Hello Sadness, Rainy soul Koi no Aima ni, Kaze no Oto Dake Kiite, Flower, Mayoi no Mori, The Crack up, Go for it Last love song, Lose Feeling, Sekai wa Mawaru to Iu Keredo, Yofuke no Ryūseitachi Matsuri no Jikan, Mikansei na Neiro, Cried a little, Float world, Kakurenbo, Lalala Sorekara 123 Sorry, the titles and order are all over the place. Of course, I recommend the other songs too.

>765 Narrowed down to these seven: Sekai wa Mawaru to Iu Keredo (including the instrumental), Tsumetai Kage, Anywhere Yūdachi no Niwa, Timeless Sleep (including the mixes), Endless Desire, Yūzukiyo Personally, the top three are supreme.

I also think the instrumental of “Sekai wa Mawaru to Iu Keredo” is the best. It's practically cheating.

>770-771 Those are impressively dark songs that probably won't appeal to the general public. Then I'll recommend some brighter songs. Futari no Rocket, Spiral, Bokura Dake no Mirai, Kimi no Omoidaita Yume Atsumeru HEAVEN, Koyoi Eden no Katasumi de, Namida no Yesterday, Over Drive These are all singles and live staples, so you absolutely have to hear them. A crown, Jewel Fish, Sky Blue, Ameagari no Blue, Hare Dokei, nonsense, Marginal Man, Kanata Made Hikari wo, Mr. Holiday, Secret Path, Fall in Life〜Hallelujah〜, tell me something, strangers are also recommended. For now, why not just listen to the best-of?

The problem with the best-of is that “Natsu no Maboroshi” isn't the original version, and “Kimi'n-chi” is from their indie days. I think if you start with the brighter songs, you'll eventually be able to appreciate the dark songs more.

I want to have kinky sex with Yurippe.

GARNET CROW appeared on Music Station several times. Were they playing completely live every time?

AZUKI777

The temple one is still the best DVD, right...? Yurippe is impossibly beautiful.

“Natsu Mabo” used to get compared to Buri-chan's song, but the song itself is clearly much better, right? It also seems like “Natsu Mabo” came earlier chronologically. I don't understand why it's treated as a dark chapter.

“Seichi” at Ninna-ji is the absolute peak.

>779 Why was Britney's debut album containing “I Will Be There” released earlier? Whyyyy?

I want to have kinky sex with Yurippe.

I thought Symphonic might surpass Ninna-ji, but the song selection was kind of weak.

Is “Koyoi Eden~” a rip-off of “The Girl with Golden Hair”?

What's that?

>781 Huh? Britney's was earlier? I remembered wrong. Ōga is the one playing it, but I wonder who wrote that intro phrase. Was it the old man? Or a ghostwriter? Whatever the case, if they intentionally borrowed it, I wish they'd follow through with it to the very end.

Ah, Nana-san's gorgeous mature-woman vibe is irresistible...

Does Nana have a little sister?

She only has male siblings. Probably a younger brother.

>786 It was Furui-san.

I see. Guess I was a little mistaken. Thanks.

>783 Yeah, the song selection was kind of weak. I kept thinking, “Why this song...?” “Wasurezaki” was the best one. So what songs would've made it better?

I wanted them to play “over blow.” It was on Orlava and seemed like it would shine with an orchestra, so I thought they'd play it.

I wasn't sure about forcing uptempo songs into orchestral arrangements.

>784 It really is pretty similar lol

That live show made me wonder why they had bothered adding strings at all. Speaking of strings, they get pretty muddy live, don't they? They fix them up on the DVD, though.

I want to have kinky sex with Yurippe.

>797 Like what?

>798 2Girls1Cup

>799 Hey, stop it. Now I'm imagining Yuri and Nana doing it.

I'm getting hard.

>784 It's similar but... only a little similar lol

Honestly, does Gane have a ghostwriter?

The music? The lyrics?

They can't afford a ghostwriter.

Yurippe's songwriting consistently has all kinds of her own little preferences and touches, even within the classic J-pop formula, so there can't be a ghostwriter. She was definitely influenced by older Western music, and people sometimes accuse her of plagiarism, but artists naturally absorb the good things from those who came before and make them part of themselves. That's completely different from outright copying.

>784 It's practically identical lol

Wouldn't it be Furui-san rather than Ms. Nakamura?

I-I dreamed Mochi got bitten to death by a giant dog like Cerberus.

>806 There are always people who say things like they understand everything. It makes my skin crawl...

I want to have kinky sex with Yurippe.

>811 Like what?

>812 On a December night.

I want to pant while Nana-san, that cute older woman, plays the keyboard as I take her from behind.

>814 Seriously, go get swept away and killed by a tsunami.

If you want to indulge in fantasies, go to the main thread.

What's your favorite Gane intro, guys? I like “Last love.”

These plagiarism nerds who jump at every tiny similarity are such a pain.

>817 I think the intros to “The crack-up,” “in little time,” “Anywhere,” and “Ameagari no blue” are amazing.

I like the intros to “picture of world” and “Kanata Made Hikari wo.”

“Natsu no Maboroshi,” obviously.

>817 Some that haven't been mentioned yet: “Holding you, and swinging,” “Ushinawareta Monogatari,” and “Cirer Girl & Crier Boy 〜ice cold sky〜.”

Gane's songs are all good, though. The best.

If we're talking intros alone, “Saigo no Ritō.” It gets me hyped.

I like the intros to “Secret Path” and “stragers.” They're cool and get me excited.

“Namida no Yesterday.”

“Spiral.” I love that flute-like synth sound from Kamite.

I'm the one who started this topic, 817, but is nobody going to mention “Float world”...? I love it.

>817 “Hare Dokei,” “Namida no Yesterday,” “Doing all right,” “yellow moon,” “Mijikai Natsu,” and the classic “flying.” That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but there must be more lol >828 I love “Float world,” but the intro isn't anything special...

I like the outro of “Float” more than the intro. But I like the instrumental break even more.

>830 The instrumental break is really good.

>828 Strongly agree. >829 “Hare Dokei” is great too. I also like “Marginal Man” and “Endless Desire.”

Yurippe's “うぉういぇ〜い〜いえいやぁ〜♪” in “Float world” is really great. It's also nice how they process only the very beginning (is it reversed?).

Isn't it reverb?

>834 I think they processed the voice itself rather than just using a normal effect. Since it only lasts for an instant at the beginning, I can't really tell whether it's reversed (playing the waveform backward) or the pitch was altered. Using the old man as a reference when practicing mixing is seriously useful. Though it'd be hilarious if Yurippe actually sang it exactly like that.

>835 I didn't know there was something like that.

Nana-san, firing up the live show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liUpwL8N5i0

So cute...

Yurippe talks differently there, doesn't she?

So this is the real Yurippe. The current Yurippe is putting on a good-girl act.

Isn't it the other way around?

Her face looks completely different in the first place. Is it the makeup?

Well, she was younger. The makeup was probably more natural too.

Wasn't the intro arrangement of “Float World” by Miguel-san? I think I saw Yurippe say somewhere, “I was surprised that it turned out so full of a floating feeling, just like the title...”

It seems to be a joint arrangement.

No, it isn't.

When are they finally going to release a proper PV collection?

Are they going to do what Rina Aiuchi did and release a box set after breaking up?

Huh, then they don't have to release it.

>845 Both names were listed on the single's jacket. The sound is clearer on the BEST version.

Furui-san, maybe.

Is Yurippe from Kyoto City in Kyoto Prefecture?

Deciding to say goodbye and having once been in love... it becomes nostalgic. That's all.

>852 Kameoka City.

Kameoka, huh.

I guess they'll just fade away like this.

I wish they'd rerecord the first album. It'd be interesting to listen and compare.

Totally unrelated, but in the “えいしいいいい” commercial, when it gets to 「そうしてあとで　さみしくなって」 does anyone else hear “そして〜欲し〜がる〜〜♪” from “Float world”?

>858 Now I'm going to notice it every time because of you.

The three-title release is here.

Yurippe is the best (*^o^*)

Ah, I want to go on a date with Yuri-san just once.

I could understand it if you said Nana-san, at least.

When are they going to make another song where lots of people die?

>821 When I sing this at DAM, a Conan video plays. The intro matches the video so perfectly that I got goosebumps the first time I sang it.

>865 You got goosebumps over that? lol

You must've had a cold.

This is pretty late, but isn't “Over Drive” way too similar to all kinds of things?

>868 Like what? Hello?

The first time I heard it, it sounded like “Christmas Eve.”

The official website was updated! 　Nana-san is way too cute!

>871 Nana-san is beautiful. Mochi is unnaturally white, and with that hairstyle... he looks like Prince Oikawa.

Nana's hair grows so fast every time I see her.

Are they never going to make another sublime song like “Seraya”? Other bands can make love songs. That kind of song was where GARNET CROW began for me.

It feels like she grows it long, cuts it, then grows it long again.

>875 Isn't that everyone? lol But Nana-san's hair is pretty thin, isn't it?

It looked really thin in the Para-Uni comment video. I wonder if Nana-san is okay.

Could we stop talking about hair in front of me?

Are you Mr. Nukumizu?

>877 When I saw her live, she had a perfectly normal amount of hair.

It's not thin at all! So can we stop talking about hair in front of me already?!

Uh... yeah, I don't think it's particularly thin either lol Nana's hair just lies flat against her scalp, and she has a high forehead. I have a high forehead too, so styling my bangs is essential.

http://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/819365/blog/

AZUKI-san's hair is just fine, that's all.

AZUKI-san cuts her own hair sometimes, right? It must be hard to chop off a lot of the length like that.

>885 She says she cuts her hair in the park.

I love Yuri-chan.

AZUKI888

I watched the Premium Live DVD again for the first time in ages, and back then her vocals were more muffled and lower than they are now. The current sound is easier to listen to.

I thought it was a matter of the microphone settings, but I guess that's really how it was. It became easier to listen to around Towa Vale, didn't it?

Yuri-san and Nana-san both seem like perfectly ordinary people you might see anywhere, yet they look incredibly charming. Maybe it's because they're in the media?

>891 In person they're just ordinary people who are a little polished, but maybe they have a certain atmosphere when you see them on video.

>891 Maybe being watched by so many people helps them maintain their beauty.

What, you were asleep? It's sunny today.

AZUKI-san is the most beautiful woman in the world.

Getting to high-five all four members at the fan event was a rare treat. Yurippe was unbelievably cute, just as I'd imagined, and Nana-san was shockingly beautiful. I was amazed by how small her face was and how great her figure was.

yeah

yeah

yeah

900 get

Yurippe's makeup was way too heavy. It was kind of creepy.

I won't tolerate anyone badmouthing Yuri-san.

Yuri-san is the one who won't tolerate badmouthing.

Both of them are wearing pretty heavy makeup.

I won't tolerate anyone badmouthing either of them.

Won't tolerate it.

If anyone knows what brands Yurippe and Nana-san wear, please tell me.

Haven't they been looking kind of gaudy lately?

Nobody dies these days.

I don't know that tie-in show called “Futtenda” lol

Yuri-fart stinks.

Yurippe is ridiculously moe.

Hey, knock it off. I will not accept any argument that Yuri-san is beautiful.

Still, the two women have suddenly gotten a lot older lately.

After aging suddenly, you bounce back a little, so don't worry.

It's inevitable at their age.

Even if she has aged, Nana-san in “Koyoi Eden” is cute. http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x1ghwa_frontier3q_garnet-crow#videoId=xffvdj

They've both aged really well, though.

You guys only ever talk about their looks.

Nagato is actually a main-family relative on x-Azuki's mother's side and...

>917 I agree she's cute, but that song is “Sayonara to...”

>920 Details, please.

>921 It loads one song at a time automatically, so maybe they copied the URL after finishing “Eden.” Even though I own the DVD, I ended up watching all the way through “Spiral.”

>919 Rather than “you guys,” I think it's one particular person. Whatever, though. This thread is over.

>924 There are at least two of us. I know because I'm one of them.

I wonder what “Hachigatsu no Yoru” sounds like. I want to hear a poisonous B-side again for once.

“lalala” has some poison in it too.

>914 Her lipstick is ridiculously heavy.

>927 Huh?

Hairstyles and makeup follow trends too, you know.

They've probably both gotten married by now.

It'd be stranger if they were single. I just hope Mochi doesn't fall seriously for a hostess lol

What are you guys even talking about?

I want to have a threesome with Yurippe and Nana-sama.

Unfortunately, they're married women.

Normal fans go to other fan sites instead of 2ch.

I consider myself a normal fan, but I don't really plan on seriously interacting with other otaku.

I don't understand what the standard for a “normal fan” is lol Is someone who doesn't go to live shows a normal fan? Is someone who goes to every venue a normal fan? What about people who buy merch and CDs, versus those who don't? People in the FC, versus those who aren't? Some people feel sexual attraction toward the vocalist and keyboard ladies, while others are interested purely in the music. There are people who write properly on 2ch, and people elsewhere who write nothing worthwhile. For the record, I'm not a normal person.

I judge them purely by the music. The songs aren't completely original, but the taste is unbelievably good. The lyrics and vocals are big pluses too. There isn't another band like them, and yet somehow they don't sell. That's part of the appeal too lol

What if the two keyboardists were secretly married to each other?

It's a shame that even after being active for so long, this band is only accepted by a small portion of people.

On the other hand, I'd kind of hate it if they got popular.

Their live shows are just old men and obnoxious kids.

There are a lot of gross otaku, aren't there?

There are a lot of people like >942, aren't there?

I'm 942. I didn't know there were so many people like that.

There aren't that many deep people in this world.

>947 That's because you... never mind.

There are lots of people with that “it's kind of obscure, like I'm the only one who knows it” chūnibyō thing. Normally, appearing in Conan and still having sales this low would be considered a problem, though.

How many artists who sang Conan opening or ending themes are still active?

I wonder how much difference there is between having a Conan tie-in and not having one. I don't really feel a huge difference unless you go back to around “Yume Mita.” Or is it because the fixed fanbase is large and Conan's ratings are high?

I don't think they've ever had a completely non-tie-in song. I think there was some kind of tie-in every time.

Is the side-profile photo in front of the vanity in the firstlivescope DVD makeup-free?

Yes, that's right.

For GARNET songs, if you wanted to put something after “Maboroshi,” which would be better: “Flower” or “Matsuri no Jikan”?

After “Maboroshi,” “Ai wa Tori” is the definitive choice.

Yuri-san is way too wonderful.

ZARD memorial show: http://www.nikkansports.com/entertainment/news/f-et-tp0-20110527-782069.html Of the 11 live members, nine besides Kamite and Mochi are either members of disbanded acts or currently on hiatus.

Did Watanuki participate?

Has anyone ever had a drink with Yuri-san?

Is this last year's memorial show? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxKf5C_GZTI Yurippe's voice sounds great.

It'd be nice if Yurippe did a solo cover release with songs like “Watashi wa Kaze” on it. I want her to sing “Hymne à l'amour” too.

It clearly says uploaded in 2008 up there lol

Has GARNET CROW released anything on Blu-ray?

GIZA won't support Blu-ray until 2012.

Why 2012?

I want to go on a date with Yuri-san.

I want to eat yakiniku with Yurippe all dressed up and prim for going out.

Doesn't Yurippe not drink alcohol?

She can drink, but I don't think she has a strong tolerance. Mochi apparently can't hold his liquor either, but he likes drinking. Nana-sama is supposedly a heavy drinker lol

Yuri-san in “Mr. Holiday” is way too cute.

“Eimin” is the best.

c

>972 Which version?

The discussion here is no different from the other thread. Go talk about how cute they are and what they look like over there. This is why people call them an idol band.

Azuki-san is such a kind person who cares about her family.

I only heard the chorus of “smiley nation,” but it's a good song. Has anyone heard the full version yet?

Which other thread?

When I think of idols, I think of Naoko Kawai and Yoshie Kashiwabara. For a group idol, probably someone like the Checkers. So the word “idol” doesn't apply at all. Seiko Matsuda is also the quintessential idol. I think her songs are good, but her looks aren't my type.

I meant to say GARNET CROW isn't an idol band. My bad.

Azuki-san worked so hard on TV wearing a randoseru. Maybe she wanted to be an idol after all.

>978 This one: http://garnet.s22.xrea.com/