GARNET CROW part282

■Official site 　 GARNET CROW official homepage　http://garnetcrow.com/ ■Release info 　　A complete singles best-of collecting everything from their debut through the latest single! 　　A labor of love packed with 13 years of gratitude! 　 ★2013.5.22 BEST ALBUM “THE ONE 〜ALL SINGLES BEST〜” RELEASE CONFIRMED!! 　　“THE ONE 〜ALL SINGLES BEST〜” 　　Release date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 ■Event info 　 ★GARNET CROW final live confirmed NEW!! 　　GARNET CROW livescope 〜THE FINAL〜 　　■Friday, May 24, 2013　Tokyo International Forum Hall A 　　　Time: OPEN 18:00 / START 19:00 　　■Saturday, June 8, 2013　Osaka International Convention Center Grand Cube Osaka Main Hall 　　　Time: OPEN 17:00 / START 18:00 　　■Sunday, June 9, 2013　Osaka International Convention Center Grand Cube Osaka Main Hall 　　　Time: OPEN 15:00 / START 16:00 ▼Rules 　・Don't cause trouble for other people. 　・No posting or exposing other artists, especially Arashi or Johnny's artists in general. 　・Don't post fake rumors; they'll only make people hostile. 　・Ignore trolls, delusions, and perverted posts thoroughly. 　・No posting virus code or long copied text. 　・>950 is responsible for making the next thread. No subtitles. 　・Please basically keep the thread sage. ■Previous thread GARNET CROW part281 http://toro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicjg/1364652191/

【To everyone who always supports GARNET CROW】 2013.3.3. Thank you very much for always supporting GARNET CROW. We have an important announcement to make to everyone. GARNET CROW will disband following “GARNET CROW livescope 〜THE FINAL〜,” held at Tokyo International Forum Hall A on Friday, May 24, 2013, and at Osaka International Convention Center Grand Cube Osaka Main Hall on Saturday, June 8 and Sunday, June 9. Thank you very much for supporting GARNET CROW throughout the 13 long years since our debut on March 29, 2000. From here on, the four members will each walk a different path. We humbly ask for your support and encouragement right through the end, just as before. GARNET CROW All staff ＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊ We will disband after “GARNET CROW livescope 〜THE FINAL〜,” held in May and June 2013. Since forming in 1999, thanks to all your support, we have been able to pursue such a fulfilling musical career. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts. We want to give it everything we've got and sprint through the time we have left. We look forward to seeing everyone at “GARNET CROW livescope 〜THE FINAL〜.” We'll be waiting for you on the greatest stage! GARNET CROW　Yuri Nakamura / AZUKI Nana / Hiroto Furui / Hitoshi Okamoto ＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊ http://garnetcrow.com/message/images/message.jpg

>1 Thanks for setting it up.

I'll post these for now. ▲Everyone who loves Garnet Crow, come on in!!▲ http://mimizun.com/log/2ch/musicj/979816266/ 1 ：haru：2001/01/18(木) 20:11 It's a group that's a little lacking in popularity and name recognition, but I like them quite a bit. Let's talk and ignore the annoying people who keep bringing up Being and GIZA. ▲GARNET CROW is the best▲ http://mimizun.com/log/2ch/musicj/987850657/ ▲GARNET CROW super-best▲ http://mimizun.com/log/2ch/musicj/989919165/ ▲GARNET CROW super×2-best▲ http://mimizun.com/log/2ch/musicj/997427455/ ▲GARNET CROW super×3-best▲ http://mimizun.com/log/2ch/musicj/1004872105/

Mochi looks so cool, Mochi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzLkW4k_UdY

>1 Thanks for your hard work. This one too, thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ6tWj6vdSE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

>1 Thanks for setting it up.

Hiroto Furui: born February 7, 1967, age 46 AZUKI Nana: born July 29, 1973, age 39 Hitoshi Okamoto: born June 12, 1976, age 36 Yuri Nakamura: born July 4, 1977, age 35

Furui-san was born just one day apart from ZARD's Izumin. I had no idea.

>1 Mai乙y

Thread for everyone to listen to GARNET CROW terminus together: http://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/liveuranus/1364727981/ Starts at 22:00.

>11 Which board is that?

Looking at the pattern of Being artists who have broken up or retired so far, after the breakup the women will probably disappear or do something outside music, while the men will work as composers/arrangers or support musicians.

>11 Stop spamming your ad.

>11 You don't have to keep posting it.

1000 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。[sage] 投稿日：2013/03/31(日) 20:22:29.42 ID:en3Mx0iri >1000 means Yurippe kills herself.

It's still only at the announcement stage, so right now the shock isn't so much that “they broke up” as it is that “we probably won't be able to hear any new songs anymore.”

I'm genuinely glad the reason for the breakup is that they've given it everything, rather than illness or bad blood. Yesterday Nana-san was talking about how she seems to love lilies, and Yurippe happily connected the topic to her own name and expanded on it. It was really nice.

What active groups are you all going to listen to after the breakup? I know GARNET is one of a kind, but if there are any other active artists with a similar vibe to My Little Lover or ZARD, I'd like to know.

For now, I've finished saving the official site's Diary and Gane-Radio...

>20 Can you tell me what tool you used to save them?(・∀・)

I'm organizing a Twitter project to directly express our gratitude to the members at GARNET CROW's final live. I came up with it on impulse and started without thinking, only a short time after the breakup announcement, but somehow I'd like all the fans to thank the GARNET members for everything they've done. Try searching for the hashtag ガネありがとう企画. Thanks in advance.

I think Yuri-san was an angel who descended to earth.

>20 Reported you.

>21 Audacity! It's easy to use and handy〜

>20 I went ahead and ordered every CD I didn't have from Amazon. This should mean I own all their released songs now! ...Surprisingly, there were still songs I was missing because they only appeared on first press editionsｗ

>22 Are you going to make a message board where everyone writes something? It's a standard move, but I think the thing that would make them happiest is everyone buying lots of copies of the same single all at once in the same week → pushing it up near the top of the charts. They were incredibly happy when a DVD hit No. 1 before.

>25 Thanks. So you really can't download everything in one go, huh.

When it was Rina Aiuchi, they hung a huge banner inside the venue.

>12 Nan-demo Jikkyou (U).

>18 Whether it's manga or novels, ending properly and beautifully is a good thing. >19 I'm going with miwa-chan! Though rather than listening to her, I just go to her lives. The way you receive a song changes with the circumstances and feelings you had at the time, but finding someone with a similar vibe is probably pretty difficult...

>29 For Yuka Saegusa-tan, I think it was a banner across the street. I remember the staff wrote messages on it too.

>20 Bragging about illegal downloads? Go die.

GARNET CROW was incredible at first, but they got ruined by being consumed the way Being acts consume artists. It really shows how much a producer can decide whether an artist lives or dies.

>20 Go die, scum.

>34 Enough with that copypasta already.

>20 Reported.

For a Being act, they had an amazing run, though.

Yeah. Lasting over ten years is pretty incredible.

>27 This is my first time on 2ch, so I don't know if I'm replying properly.. My friend and I jumped into this without really thinking it through, and lots of people have RT'd it, but even 24 hours after calling out, “Let's do something together!” nothing has happened yet. My friend and I were talking about wanting to give them a huge bouquet of flowers or some letters.

I've been listening since their debut. With the fifth album I rejoiced, “This is the best album of my life!” then drifted away for a while around the sixth. I got hooked again with the seventh, but I haven't bought an album since the eighth. What are the two after that like? If they're STAY-level, I'll buy them immediately.

Yurippe's singing makes my chest feel like it's being squeezed. I don't think I'll be able to listen for a while.

It was probably a good thing they never got huge at the start. The fact that their debut song wasn't much of a hit as a Conan theme was probably a blessing in disguise. A surprising number of artists who debuted in the 2000s end up taking indefinite breaks halfway through.

>41 I didn't really click with “terminus” when I heard it on NicoNico Live. I think “Memories” is good, though.

>41 The ninth isn't bad. It heads in a different direction from the eighth. I still haven't been able to listen to the tenth.

>40 Handing over flowers in person might be a little difficult(；´∀｀) It'd be nice if there were a backstage tour. Letters can't be converted into money, so they're probably what would make them happiest, but they might be a little too ordinary(^_^;) Should it be thanks for the past, or encouragement for the future? Which would be better?? Things each member likes: Yurippe: cute things like Yurikkuma Nana-san: photography Mochi: Kumamon-related stuff Narcissy: roses

“Memories” is good, huh. I was personally disappointed by the eighth, so if this goes in a different direction it sounds promising. The final one just came out, so I guess people haven't settled on an evaluation yet. I'll try buying “Memories” for now. Thanks. I'm listening to “The Twilight Valley” again now, and this really is a great album.

>22 Don't advertise on 2ch, asshole. Keep Twitter stuff on Twitter.

After the breakup, Yurippe and Okamocchi might get married.

Rina Aiuchi and GARNET CROW were among the lucky ones, I think. They'll probably end by broadcasting GARNET CROW's ANN as the finale.

>48 Eeyaan. It's the end anyway, so 2ch should accept everything except trolls, right? Though I'd like to kick out the MIXI armyｗ

On the fifth album, I love “Hare Dokei.” Besides, right now anything I listen to makes my tear ducts explode. Every song has memories from that time attached to it. Ten years' worth of memories.

>51 Shut up, kid.

>1 Cheers to those who can't cry, and cheers to those who won't cry.

>51 What do you mean, “it's fine”? It's not your decision to make.

I felt like “Terminus” was full of songs GARNET could churn out whenever they wanted. No throwaways—everything's in the 7–8 point range.

>40 Stay in your own nest.

There are plenty of people who use 2ch because they hate social media, so saying “eeyaan” is stupid as hell.

>56 I see. When I think of an album with no throwaways and an above-average overall quality, the fourth is the first one that comes to mind. “Wasurezakura” is a 10, but the rest were growers—the more you listened, the better they got.

There sure are a lot more kids around these last couple days. Take your bakatter posts and your “I downloaded the radio” crap somewhere else.

>51 You're the first one I'd kick out.

Twitter's gotten really gross. This is why I hate this shitty social network stuff.

>56 Maybe Yurippe felt she'd reached her limit for that reason too. Maybe that's why they broke up.

If you want to buddy up, Twitter included, go do it on VIP.

I'm glad I joined the fan club・。 I can definitely go to the breakup live, right? Such a talented band breaking up is a bolt from the blue.

>46 Thanks. >48 Sorry, I'll stop. I didn't know you weren't supposed to mention Twitter stuff on 2ch.

>60 The thread got posted on Bakatter and retweeted, right? It's spreading everywhere now.

Speaking of kids, I wonder if there have been more young fans lately. Going by what people said at the live, quite a few kindergarten, elementary, middle, and high school students came too. It's a shame...

Twitter is just people wanting to agree with everyone around them through RTs.

Anyone besides the people who were there yesterday planning to transfer money tomorrow? So this is being treated as hibernation after all...

Even fans of the same group are fighting with each other. This thread only has three months left too, huh.

>66 Don't worry about it, don't worry. Hope your letter gets delivered.

On the fourth album, I like “Kimi Tsuresaru Toki no Otozure wo.” “Wasurezakura” is in a class of its own, but listening to “Kimitsure” now makes me cry too, because saying goodbye to GaneCro hurts so much.

>63 Since it's the end, I don't think they wanted to do anything fancy. They probably wanted to show the GARNET sound using what they're best at.

>68 I think there are quite a few people who got into them because of their parents. My dad was a fan too, so he made me listen every day.

To release “Terminus” and then give us that reason for the breakup leaves me speechless. It doesn't feel especially fresh; it just feels like a recent GARNET song. Even so, it hurts that I'll lose the fun of looking forward to new songs and going to lives. I didn't realize I'd become this dependent on them.

Friday in Tokyo is rough for working people.

GARNET CROW was incredible at first, but they got ruined by being consumed the way Being acts consume artists. Basically, it's the producer who decides whether an artist lives or dies. Takeshi Kobayashi is good at balancing how an artist gets consumed with their artistry. Mr. Children, for example, sold like crazy without becoming shallow at all. Entaun Band was amazing too. I wish someone like Takeshi Kobayashi had produced them. It's such a waste that this much talent got consumed for nothing.

>70 ノシ I transferred it Friday night, so it'll show up first thing tomorrow morning.

“Terminus” = endpoint = starting point = you could also take it as the origin.

>65 The Osaka venue holds at most 2,754 people. That's cutting it pretty close. It's a weekend and starts at 4, so people will be rushing in from all over the country(((( ；ﾟДﾟ)))

If the reason for the breakup is poor sales or GIZA disappearing, then their prospects for solo careers or any future activity are hopeless... unless they work behind the scenes.

>70 Same here. I wonder if anyone else let their membership renewal lapse last year and then ended up with the breakup, like me? I'll call tomorrow and ask if the FC allocation is still possible. Apparently renewal costs less than 3,000 yen.

Sukima Switch, Takuya Ohashi ★Can't singｗｗｗ ★Lip-syncing ★Father connected to organized crime ★Believes in common-law marriage; didn't acknowledge the child because it has a disability ★Wife used to work at Fukuhara Health ★Has a history of sleeping with fans ★Faked his high-school education ★Yokkaichi asthma ★Epilepsy ★Descendant of night-soil collectors ★Member of Toshiki Kaifu's disability organization ★Agency adviser is Akio Sasaki (former secretary to Toshiki Kaifu) ★People with physical disabilities come and go at the agency ★Tried and failed to engineer a romance report with a female announcer for publicity ★Every song is written by ghostwriters (one of them is Mr. Ohashi Trio)

>66 Most 2ch users hate mixi and Twitter, after all. But I can tell you like GARNET. Keep at it.

Sukima Switch, Shintaro Tokita ★Legal family name is Ishikawa ★Zainichi ★Father, Jiro Ishikawa, connected to organized crime. Sentenced to death for serial rape and murder ★Believes in common-law marriage; didn't acknowledge the child because it has a disability ★Wife (Ueno) used to work at Fukuhara Health ★Itai-itai disease ★Schizophrenia ★Caused a single-vehicle accident during an epileptic seizure ★IQ 60. Put in a special class in elementary school. Can't read sentences. Faked his high-school education ★Member of Toshiki Kaifu's disability organization ★Agency adviser is Akio Sasaki (former secretary to Toshiki Kaifu) ★People with physical disabilities come and go at the agency ★Sister is at an Aichi prefectural colony ★Mother used to be a soapland worker ★Every song is written by ghostwriters

>74 I see, I see. >75 What a good dad. My family used to make me listen to records all the timeｗ

So the breakup announcement was just an early April Fools' joke! Oh, that's a relief.

>8 Really? Furui-san is 46? He seemed like the one who read the room best on Saturday, so I guess he really is an adult.

Does Furui-san have kids?

He gives off the vibe that he doesｗ

It's like F's G's “Red Flag on the Gondola.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lacyJg_gCek

This thread has really turned childish.

It's nice to have more people around at a time like this, isn't it?

Azuki-san is already in her fortiesｗ

>83 Are there other people like me who forgot to renew last year and then ended up with the breakup? I joined at Namba Hatch too, so I've been here from the start! Renewal seems to cost less than 3,000 yen, but if I don't have the right to apply for the live, there's no point!

Will this thread disappear after the breakup?

I suddenly want to see that “Char of the Fortune King” copypasta again. It's been ages.

I was in prep school when I discovered GaneCro, and I'm already 30 now.

Has anyone already received the final LIVE application form?

Are they not releasing any more albums?ｗｗｗ Are they doing intense training for the final live?

Yurippe's cutback shot went in.

I wonder what the members are doing today.

>97 No way. Go look around the Japanese music groups board.

Sorry for posting the notice again. Let's all listen to “terminus” starting at 22:00. ttp://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/liveuranus/1364727981/

My membership expires at the end of March. Since I haven't renewed, the LIVE application form probably won't be valid even if it arrives... >96 Let's do our best in the general sale!

The final album is a singles collection... No thanks. I wish they'd do something about the songs that still haven't been remastered. “naked story” hasn't been done yet either, right?

May, huh. It's almost hereｗ

>98 While looking for it, I found something nostalgic. But I can't find the original. http://garnet.s22.xrea.com/ http://garnet.s22.xrea.com/kako.html http://mimizun.com/log/2ch/musicj/1029627215/ 5 ：The “Spiral” god version：02/08/18 09:05 ID:UkTZ/Zvg Unreliable, this half of me, the street ruffians, racing across the water's surface Why did I suddenly remember those days when we competed? Even choosing tomorrow, yeah no yeah, I thought about it simply I still can't stand getting hurt, but I learned I could become stronger, so even confusion goes zorakerakeru You can always start from wherever you are now, Only to me, heennaa Just to me spiral, the limitless Fortune King's Cha What we draw, one thing, continuing on Even without meeting, just accept it, one more than tears, just erebakey Ho-yo Growth-line spiral, racing on without stopping, even if it hurts a little A richly flavored haa—something you should be able to obtain, an unwavering thing, one in this world Spiralary Heennaa Fortune people spiral, the limitless Fortune King's Cha The shape of tomorrow you draw is yours alone It's fine to meet one more time than we part, you can build something unshakable someday Throw it out Growth-line spiral, the reality over on your side, I want to connect with that itself Being by your side is enough; the sunset I see becomes painfully beautiful, or something Full daysy, you-hoo, spiral

>106 Oh! Ticket Pia already sent me an email today about the Tokyo live! But I also have these complicated feelings about whether there's any point in going to a live that's probably only going to leave me sad.

>109 Thanks. I laughed all over againｗ

Well, they'll reunite in five or six years, right?

That'd be nice.

>106 Read it carefully. Anyone who was an active member as of March 30 will receive the priority ticket application form. Of course it'll be valid. http://garnetcrow.com/fanclub/

I really want them to do a 15th-anniversary live. Even if it's just a one-night reunion...

The album has climbed to No. 16.

Did she use a microphone during the retirement announcementｗｗｗ?

The microphone hit her teeth. Cute.

Celebrate the 10th anniversary and break up three years later? That's just too cruel, senorita...

>117 The “thank you” before the announcement, including the support members, was done with their bare voices; they used a microphone for the announcement itself.

I really want to go to the actual final live, but I have an exam that day... Could I go even if I arrive halfway through...

They said at lives that they'd keep working hard for another 10 or 20 years... Liars!! (tears)

Is this tendency to fire off songs one after another an Osaka thing? Like a tonpuusenｗ Like Toyotama High School from Slam Dunkｗ

There's quite a long gap between the breakup live and the FC shutting down. I wonder if anything will happen during that time.

Can I ask one question? Among the people in the FC, is there anyone who's actually talked with the members?

>8 Wasn't Mochi 38 or 39? When an article for the “STAY” release event printed his age incorrectly, I think it said 35.

I think quite a lot of people went to GARNET CROW lives alone. Are those people planning to go alone to the final one too? I've always been totally fine going alone, but facing the final day by myself is just too lonely, and I don't know what to do... Should I force a friend to get into them... But you can't really share the feeling with a friend who's only casually interested... I know this is selfish.

I'm planning to go alone too. I know it's lonely by yourself, but it can't be helped.

Huh? There were tons of people outside the venue on Saturday who looked like they had come with friendsｗｗｗ

>125 I've talked to them at events, regardless of the FC.

I want to go with a friend, but I'm worried whether we'll be able to get a slot. I'm applying for every date, though.

>126 No, the 1976 birth year is correct.

If I can't get a ticket through the FC allocation, I'll go insane.

Apparently the breakup was brought up while they were making the album. Seeing the behind-the-scenes footage from the new PV feels complicated. Thinking about the staff saying that, freed from GARNET's constraints, Yurippe showed her biggest smile after filming ended... Maybe I'll listen to “Kaze to RAINBOW” and “Over Drive” tonight.

There are women and kids who come alone too. More importantly, even FC members are going to be fighting over tickets for the breakup live, so dragging along someone who isn't interested is a little...

>127 Couples: 30% One guy: 20% One woman: 10% Multiple women: 20% Multiple men: 20%

Is it really going to turn into a ticket battle at the end? I was thinking of applying for both Osaka shows, but getting tickets through the general sale looks rough.

>136 There were probably a few more women by themselves. I was one too, and there were several around me yesterday. Other than people who came with acquaintances, the groups that formed were probably Twitter or mixi friends.

Thirty percent couples? That's rough.

>139 That includes older married couples too.

>125 I'm an FC member. At the Toyosu event, I got to talk with everyone except Yurippe.

I'm a general-sale customer, but I really want to find a way to go. They should hold it somewhere bigger...

Stuff like, “Where do you live?”

>139 Thirty percent is actually pretty good. There must be places where it's 80% couples. A few guys around 50 who had come alone naturally gathered in front of me. Thinking, “These people like GARNET CROW too,” made me feel kind of sentimental. I came alone too. I wonder how many general-sale tickets there'll be.

【Music】GARNET CROW breaks up: “We've given it everything” http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1364645945/ I'm happy the thread has over 900 posts(´Д⊂

The FC runs through October, so you know what comes after that, right? ...Maybe I should stop making irresponsible statements.

>142 Even though they're a Kansai act, normally it would be: Osaka International Convention Center Grand Cube Osaka　Opening night Tokyo International Forum Hall A　　　　　　Middle night Tokyo International Forum Hall A　　　　　　Breakup But they deliberately break up in Osaka! That's our GARNET CROW!

People who like GARNET CROW actually care about whether someone comes alone!?

What's the four-month gap after the final live about? Are they going to release a mini-album?

Good work.

Could they do a hand-delivery event when the best-of comes out? Though there's no way they'd do that at this point.

>109 Whenever a new song came out, someone would transcribe the lyrics, and it was fun looking back at them later. It's sad that we won't have that kind of fun anymore.

>146 Using Rina Aiuchi as an example... ◆Official fan-club closing event confirmed Aiuchi Rina's official fan club a*rina was founded on February 1, 2001. For roughly ten years since then, we've supported Rina Aiuchi together with all the members, but with the fan club closing on December 31, 2010, we will hold “a*rina CLOSING EVENT -LAST PARTY-” as a finale to our activities. At the event, there will be a talk segment looking back on a*rina's activities with Aiuchi, a screening of unreleased footage, a Q&A where a*rina members can ask Aiuchi questions, a gift lottery, and commemorative photos with Aiuchi and a*rina members (around 30 at a time; the photos will be mailed to each member later). Please join us for the final chance to feel close to Aiuchi☆ a*rina CLOSING EVENT -LAST PARTY- ◇Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010 【Part 1】Doors 14:30 / Show 15:00 【Part 2】Doors 17:30 / Show 18:00 ◇Venue: Laforet Museum Harajuku, Tokyo ◇Admission: 5,000 yen per a*rina member (tax included) ※This event is limited to a*rina members, and you may apply for only one show. (Non-members cannot attend.)

I'm an older guy attending alone, and about 80% of the seats next to me have been women attending alone. It was a little awkward when the people next to me were two middle-aged single women, but you make do.

I think so too. In a way, this is the Battle of Sekigahara. Some people will regret going, others will regret not going... I'm in Osaka, and there's no way I'm going to Tokyo—the painful trip home is obvious. In my case, based on my experience so far, maybe the adult thing is to erase it while the wound is still shallow... They probably won't appear in the media anyway, so there shouldn't be any chance of my feelings suddenly getting stirred up again. Maybe it would be smart to stop reading this thread two or three days before—no, a week before—and focus on work until I erase it from my head. “Pretend it never happened” sounds cold, but... Lately I've been wondering if I have Asperger's or some kind of autism factor, and thinking I should get checked at a hospital... I seriously need to think about protecting myself.

The despair of never being able to hear a new song again.

>127 I'm going alone. There are tons of comrades in this threadｗ It'd be nice if we both got tickets and ended up going on the same day.

Some guy with terrible Japanese has been showing up lately.

>147 Since the final show is in Osaka, maybe they at least made the announcement in Tokyo. Personally, I would've preferred the reverse.

>156 Exactly! Even if you go to the live, it's like, “As long as they play Spiral at the end, you're satisfied, right?” Same thing every time, so it isn't worth much!

>153 Good work. That was fastｗ I hope GARNET gets a send-off like that too. It would give the meaning of “closer” some extra weight as well.

>147 I have no complaint about the final Osaka show. I'm just worried about whether I'll be able to get a ticket.

If I pay the fan club tomorrow, will I still make it in time for priority tickets?

I'm >127. Thanks so much, everyone! You gave me the courage, so I've decided to go cry my eyes out alone(つД`)・゜・ >135 said dragging along someone who isn't interested is a bad idea. I was so shaken I hadn't thought that far. I wrote that going alone was totally fine, but half of that was bluffing... no, 70%... I really was lonely. Your words were harsh, but thanks. Still, for the final time at least, I want us to fill the hall with the energy of a ticket war. I've always assumed I'd be fine because the FC draws have always been guaranteed for me. If I lose, I'll cry for an entirely different reason.

“Blue Regret” seems to foreshadow the final tour in June.

>164 Yeah, seeing groups chatting after the show makes you feel a little envious. I understand how you feel. I'll go cry alone too, then pour my feelings out in this thread!

I casually bought a newsletter binder through mail order the other day, and when I put in vol. 41 there were three pages left. I was thinking of buying another one for the future, but then I saw the newsletters ended at vol. 44, so they fit perfectly in one binder...

>159 Osaka doesn't have a 5,000-capacity venue. Osaka-jō Hall would be a little too big.

>161 That kind of thing depends on how many requests they get. If everyone emails G-NET, that'd be great(・∀・)ｲｲ!!

>163 The payment has nothing to do with the final live. Anyone who was an active member as of March 30 will receive a priority ticket application form. If your membership expired before that, unfortunately... But aren't there a lot of people who forgot to pay? Whyｗ

Could they add a final show at Budokan...

“Maizy” is way too god-tier a song... Yuri-san.

Even if it's standing-room only, I want them to cram about 5,000 people into a 2,700-capacity venue. It's too sad that people who've been fans for over ten years might not be able to attend the final live.

>173 People would die.

If they were going to do that, I would've preferred the new Festival Hall. The sound should be good too.

I heard about the breakup decision a day late... Even though I haven't really listened to music at all lately, I used to be so hooked that it still came as a shock. I might as well try for a final-live ticket with no expectations. If it's first-come-first-served rather than a lottery, I'm probably doomed. I drifted away after “Namida no Yesterday,” so I need to start listening again from there.

The breakup...? I'm not surprised, honestly. They've basically been operating on a skeleton schedule for the past few years. I suspect the decision to fire this band had already been made when Rina Aiuchi and Yuka Saegusa left. But if they fired them immediately, Being representative director and president Toshinori Masuda would look like an unbelievably stupid manager. He destroyed the great Being empire built by the previous head, Daiko Nagato, in just a few years, after all. So they let them keep working until the fuss died down. That's probably what happened.

>169 Yeah〜. But I wonder if the staff will actually do their jobsｗ

So people with delusions really do exist, huh.

I can out-dream anyone. I can't help feeling that the lyrics on “Terminus” are all poems full of regret and lingering attachment. I don't know whether they're aimed at the members, the fans, or something completely different. I wonder if Azuki-san still wanted to continue.

>175 Same here. I remember being moved the first time I heard them at a joint Valentine's live at the old Festival Hall, then going to a show at Koseinenkin Hall afterward. Even renovated, it's a hall full of memories.

Yurippe: “It was an April Fools' joke! Please keep supporting us from here on too—!!”

>182 Someday, the thing you thought was true today will become a lie.

>79 For a postal transfer form, the postmark/date should be what matters, so the date it shows up in the system is irrelevant. If your membership expires at the end of March, and you paid on Friday the 29th with the processing date on the receipt also March 29, it should count as a continuation and there shouldn't be a dormant period.

>180 Yuri = John Nana-sama = Paul Furui-san = George Martin Mochi = George Frog = Ringo That mapping feels just right.

Nana-san, please stay active in show business as a beautiful mature woman. I bet you'd get popular.

>180 Same here. I think it's not aimed at any particular target, but at everything.

>186 More like a “beauty witch.”

I don't know anything about Conan, but I got hooked starting with “Yume Mita Ato de.”

>180 Up through the previous album, the songs mostly felt kind of detached and observational, with a lot of “〜maybe that's okay too?” vibes. This time, though, a lot of the songs feel much more direct, like they contain the artist's own opinions. They said in some interview a long time ago that they let the songs speak for themselves, so maybe that's how it ended up. Listening to “The Someone's Tale,” I feel like they really did give it everything, just as the title says.

The Twitter spam chain is disgustingｗｗ Go die.

I've only heard them up through the fourth album. Can someone recommend one? I'd like something with the second album's atmosphere.

I searched 2ch for “garnet crow” and there are this many: http://find.2ch.net/?STR=garnet+crow&TYPE=TITLE&BBS=ALL&ENCODING=SJIS&COUNT=50&x=37&y=10

>192 If by “second-album atmosphere” you mean lots of brighter songs, then probably the eighth.

I'm trying to decide whether to apply for Saturday or Sunday for the final live. Is Saturday easier to get?

The no-jumping rule is a dealbreaker.

“Bokura dake no Mirai” was incredible〜. The song and lyrics both felt almost miraculous.

Those rumor-spreading Twitter people are seriously disgusting. Lucciola on mixi is annoying too.

They say it's disgusting, but they keep looking anyway. As a rationalist, I can't understand what sense of duty drives him to behave like that.

I knew from their age and their sales that it was about time for them to break up, but it's still sad.

Even the flowers falling away tremble. Only Nana-san could write lyrics like that.

They'd recently made such a masterpiece that I thought, “Happy Swallow has arrived!” It's hard to deny the feeling that they'd given it everything... Though I guess it can't be helped.

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“Nostalgia” has this satisfying strength that seems to spread outward too. I'm glad the final single is a good song.

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I suddenly wanted to see the horizon, so I wandered onto the first train. ...This is honestly how I feel right now. There are too many to list, but when I think about it again, the lyrics are just incredible.

I wanted to see “Maizy” and songs like it performed with a string section at an orchestral live. With Nana-san on grand piano.

>200 They mentioned it during the first Tokyo day's MC. They said they couldn't let people hear what they talked about backstage.

I'm starting to feel like GARNET might reunite after all. I seriously think Yurippe really did hit the limit of her ability to compose. The reason she chose to step away here was probably her strong determination to put the songs she'd made up to now above everything else. The new release had some self-imitation and wasn't especially striking, but it also brought in new elements, and I think that was the result of squeezing out everything they could right to the very end. But given the way GARNET has always faced music seriously and followed through properly, I feel like the four of them might gather again if Yurippe becomes able to write songs she's satisfied with again. They called it a breakup because they had no confidence they'd be able to come back. I think they were just too earnest from beginning to end. And because that's the kind of people they are, I feel like they'll come back if the circumstances line up. I'm starting to feel that way. If they got rid of them because of poor sales, I'll never forgive you, B-ing.

I used to love them. I haven't really listened to the last couple albums, though. I want to go to the live at least once more, but I don't feel like I'll get a ticket through the general sale.

>19 I guess now that GARNET CROW has announced their breakup, I'll probably only buy and listen to CDs by acts like DIR EN GREY. If Super Light stays active and releases CDs, I might buy and listen to those too.

For those who went to the live, what was it actually like in the moment? Were you just dazed? Or was it more like, “Thanks for everything, great work〜☆”?

I think the idea that Yurippe reached her limit is right on target. I hope they all get their personal lives in order and come back someday.

She's not a superhuman like Nana. She seemed to be at her limit in all sorts of ways.

Was taking a hiatus not an option? Or was it not allowed?

This is it, the Japanese music scene in my heart is completely over.

Whoa, seriously? If eastern youth and GRAPEVINE break up too, Japanese music in my heart will die for a while.

>212 Huh... what... this is a disaster. That's how it felt.

I'm hoping for a comeback like Do As Infinity's.

The breakup is a lie, right? It's one of those April Fools' jokes, right?

>217 Eastern Youth and GRAPEVINE. Different from GARNET, but they have a nice gloomy-single-guy sensibility. I used to listen to Eastern Youth a lot, like “Koritumuen no Hana.” Then I'll listen to Kalafina while I wait for the reunion!

Apparently the breakup first came up while they were making “Terminus” last autumn. Was it before or after the FC event? Looking back, “12th-anniversary celebration” was kind of an awkward half-measure, so maybe it had already come up before the event... Maybe that's why they held the FC event?

It wasn't because of poor sales and getting fired. When Being decides an artist isn't expected to sell, they move them to an indie label or digital-only releases. That excludes the veteran contributors like DIMENSION, Banshousuke, and doa. As long as Furui is still a member, there's basically no way the company fired them. It's also possible the GARNET members really did feel they'd done everything they could. Or maybe some problem arose in the group's personal relationships (like members dating each other).

“Shiroi Sora” and “trade” are top-tier masterpieces. They could still keep going... I wish they'd waited until their 15th anniversary.

Speaking of members dating within the group, people used to say that about PAMELA too. Whatever the case, I want all of them to keep making music at least. They can't have run dry...

After more than ten years, there's no way they'd start dating only now.

>223 No way. >When Being decides an artist isn't expected to sell, they move them to an indie label or digital-only releases. Who, for exampleｗ When things are as much of a sinking ship as GIZA, I think they wouldn't let an act break up in any form as long as it was turning a profit.

>177 >He destroyed the great Being empire built by the previous head, Daiko Nagato, in just a few years. Huh? Nagato just kept putting out talentless people until everything fizzled out, that's all. Thomas is the admirable one, if anything. He did the perfectly obvious thing of cutting people who couldn't sell. That's how a normal manager thinks. GARNET CROW wasn't at a professional level in any respect.

>228 Welcome from the entertainment-sports board. There happens to be a thread on that board about a Shuzo Matsuoka video, so go watch it and cheer yourself up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

>229 That guy's been obsessively hanging around forever, so don't engage him.

All that happened was that Nagato's reckless management was allowed to run unchecked for years. What Thomas is doing is perfectly normal from a manager's perspective. There was no way Rina Aiuchi lasting ten years and GARNET CROW lasting thirteen could be considered normal. Just because you became a fan of the crap talent produced by that reckless management, doesn't mean it's right to praise Nagato for using the wrong methods.

I'm not usually into female vocalists, but I liked listening to GARNET CROW and KOKIA. I really loved Yuri-san's voice. This is so lonely.

Even if I tell myself, “I've still got The Cro-Magnons, Quruli, BBB, The Back Horn, and all that...” it doesn't help. This hole can't be filled, and not being able to hear Yurippe's harmonies hurts.

I love Nana-sama's face. I think she looks like old Itsuji Itao.

>227 Being pop grandpa, are you stalking the GARNET thread too? There are people like Miwon, and Organ's Cafe, for example. You seem to be mistaken, but Thomas himself is one of Nagato's protégés. Thomas has known Nagato for ages, got involved with Being as Mai Kuraki's second manager, and has been under Nagato's wing ever since. You don't even know that, yet you're talking about a “normal manager's instincts” (lol). Go back to the Sho Uesugi thread already.

I wish Nora had released a happy-ending song. In my head, I made “Shiawase na Pet” fill that role←forcing it.

When I was in shock after seeing the article about GARNET CROW breaking up, I checked a comments section I don't normally read. Then I saw the representative of Okayama Freshwater Fish Sales commenting on Facebook, “I was surprised they were still around. I hated that singing style, like taking Hamasaki's nasal voice and making it even worse.” It really pissed me off. I hope they get flamed.

Doxxing people like that is scummy, especially coming from a fellow fan.

You have to expose them.

What's the point of exposing them?

It's not really doxxing when the person themselves has made everything public. I actually thought I'd hidden their real name here. But yeah, attacking antis is pointless. It was my fault for taking the bait.

The first one or two albums were the best, and after that they started feeling like shallow Being-style music. Doesn't everyone feel that way?

“Terminus” is a grower too. I'm listening to “PS. GIRL” and waving my hand by myself...

I hope the reason for the breakup isn't poor sales. Starting around “The Twilight Valley,” the multiple-version sales thing became standard. I always picked up only the limited editions. I agonized over “LOCKS”ｗ For “Kaze to RAINBOW,” they had a postcard or something for buying both versions at an Oricon-counted store, but I gracefully ignored it. I bought the limited edition of “Miss Mystery” too, and bought “Akante” separately as a download. But I bought both versions of “Terminus”... If I'd just bought multiple copies like a good fan, would GARNET have continued...?

This really is one of those “you don't know how important something was until you lose it” situations... I'm not in the fan club, so I don't know whether I'll be able to buy a ticket in the general sale.

>244 If poor sales were the cause, one or two copies wouldn't be the issue. You don't need to buy things you don't want. They might even have gotten sick of the multiple-version sales strategy themselves.

I was absentmindedly looking through the “Terminus” lyric booklet and noticed the survey barcode on the last page. Normally it says, “Please complete the survey. We'll use it as a reference for future production.” But “Terminus” only says, “Please complete the survey.” At least keep deceiving me right to the end, come on.

Yurippe is so cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVf5hlpTz8Y

I want Yuri and Nana to form a duo like See-Saw. It'd be such a waste to split these two up!

>249 What happens to Mochi and the leader then?

Once they've broken up, it doesn't really matter anymore.

Please get rid of scalpers who list tickets for 50,000 yen apiece like that Beckham guy〜

>249 It has to be all four of them, after all! We don't need MINIQLO either! If it were just replacing Okamocchi, maybe I'd let it slide!

Toward the end of the FC event in Tokyo, Osan said in a serious tone that they wanted to “liven up the FC.” And when they were talking about how there were almost no recent songs in the Best 10, Nana said something like, “I want the songs we make from now on to be able to get on this list.” Had the breakup already been decided then...? If so, that's too sad.

Were there cameras at this live? I wonder if it'll become a DVD〜

>254 They said the same thing at the Osaka show in November. So maybe the decision came after that〜

The vocalist is 36 this year, and the keyboardist is 40. They've gotten old.

3,780 yen? That's a little expensive. They should've made it around 3,200 yen.

I was a newbie who started listening in 2003, so it's been ten years. Not that old, really (says through trembling lips).

On the second day of the Tokyo shows, the four of them stayed onstage as the support musicians left, illuminated by spotlights in the dark venue. In that moment, most of the fans there probably instinctively knew a breakup announcement was coming. It's something I'll never be able to forget for the rest of my life...

I think the first through fourth albums were all classics. With the fifth they started trying a slight change of direction (to break the monotony?), and with the sixth I felt they went all the way off in a weird direction. With the seventh they tried to return to the direction of the first four, but it was disjointed, and then they basically gave up and headed toward being an ordinary pop band from the eighth onward. Yurippe's singing also became harder to understand than in the early days, and the arrangements started getting pointlessly grandiose, making everything feel pretty half-assed (from the eighth onward). I think a five-year hiatus would've been better than breaking up, but even if they continued at their current pace, they probably couldn't make masterpieces like they used to.

>247 Come to think of it, “Memories” also only says, “Please complete the survey.” The difference is that “Memories” has a notice about new G-NET memberships, while “Terminus” doesn't.

From a GARNET CROW fan's perspective, do bands like Negoto work for you?

Negoto isn't bad, but I think Kalafina, who were on the same bill at the Zushi live, fits better. Personally. Though that doesn't mean they can fill the hole.

I liked calmer songs like “rusty rail,” “lose feeling,” and “picture of world,” but they haven't really had songs like that lately. I like the lyrics too, but I think I'm the kind of person who especially likes the musical style, so it's probably true that recent songs haven't fired me up.

For the past few years I was living days where I didn't even know they'd released new songs. Then I heard “JUDY” in a commercial and immediately went out to buy the album. We played all kinds of CDs in the car on a family trip, and everyone in the family liked “Memories.” Just a week ago, I was thinking, “GARNET CROW really is great. I'll keep listening to them from now on...”

Huh, listening to MINIQLO's “over blow” is making sweat come out of my eyes...

Yeah, there was a sense of stagnation. I felt like they were reaching their limit from the sixth album onward. Songs with the razor-sharp feeling of “please forgive me” and “Nogare no Machi” are probably the kind you stop being able to write as you get older, but lately they haven't had songs like “Wasurezakura” or “Kimi to Iu Hikari” either. But if you're asking whether breaking up is okay just because the music had gotten a little questionable, that's a separate issue.

I really loved “Wasurezakura.” The beautiful opening intro is so moving.

This is just my personal opinion, and maybe someone already said it, but perhaps talk of breaking up or going on hiatus had already started cropping up around “Memories.” The limited and regular-edition covers both had that image of “moving away,” which still bothers me when I think about it. They probably had their own thoughts about the earthquake disaster too.

Even without any concrete discussion, when people around you keep leaving and sales are sluggish, the members are bound to start talking about something.

“Wasurezakura” was what made me rediscover how important GARNET CROW was and truly fall in love with them. Personally, I still think the songs from the “Rusty Rail” period are their best. But “Memories” was unexpectedly good, so I had this faint hope that they'd make it to around their 12th or 13th album. I couldn't go to this concert because I got sick, my first time missing one in five years. And then I got this awful news. Now I just feel completely drained. (crying)

The notice from the FC arrived: one person can get up to four tickets for one show. The narrow gate just got even narrower...

Feels like they're going to get scalped to hell.

Why not scalp them yourself, then?

The only time I ever saw them live was at the radio public recording for the release of “Spiral.” I think it was in Shinjuku.

>270 Maybe you wrote it as a joke, but: × gaishutsu ○ kishutsu

I've lost all hope of going on.

>277 Pfft.

It's spring, but is it goodbye〜 Has this already been said?

The shock is huge, but I'm glad they announced the breakup at a live instead of by fax or on the web. As a fan, that makes me happy.

I should've gone on the final day... Orz I went on the 29th, got a reprint poster, and was happy about it. I was such an idiot.

Still, I hope nobody gets so obsessed after the breakup live ends and the real end arrives that they do something drastic. Even I, a relatively casual fan, got so moody just from seeing Yuri and Nana walk onstage holding hands during that “Rairaiya” appearance on Music Station that I wrote an entire SS about the two of them that nightｗ Hardcore fans practically worship them, so please don't do anything weird...

Sometimes something happens that suddenly makes a song sound amazing. Ever since the breakup announcement, I can't stop replaying “Memories.” It overlaps with the breakup way too much.

“closer” is seriously dangerous to listen to now.

On the surface it gives off a message from a couple who broke up = a message to the fans, but I can't help thinking the lyrics are actually aimed at the members, especially Yurippe. It's way too intense.

The instrumental break in “Seijaku no Concerto” is unbelievably good.

>286 Yeah, Yurippe composes the music, Nana writes the story, and then Yurippe colors that story with her voice. That's how it works.

Is there no lottery this time? Honestly, I don't feel like I can get a ticket in the general sale. Have they ever sold out Tokyo International Forum before? Since it's a breakup, it could sell out in minutes, but since it's a weekday, there might still be tickets for a few days. I'm considering both possibilities.

Scalpers are going to enter the general sale, so don't get complacent.

Hope GARNET CROW breaks up already, they're total crap.

>289 The Symphonic show was on a weekday and it was almost full.

Yuri Nakamura doesn't have the best pitch, but I really like her tone. If someone only sings well but has no individuality, it's hard to keep listening.

It's funny watching all these armchair critics swarm out of nowhere.

Armchair criticsｗ It's so trueｗ They don't really know anything and haven't even listened to every song, but they write like they understand everything. It's hilarious to watchｗ Still, it's better than nobody talking about them at all.

They broke up because the female members didn't get along, right?

There was no bad blood.

>264 Someone who used to be a GARNET CROW fan posted in the Kalafina thread that it's sad they're breaking up. I like both too, but GARNET CROW can't be replaced...

>295 Then tell us what you understand. Let's hear your musical criticism.

Go onｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

Even if you write comments mocking other people here, you can't erase the fact that they're breaking up, so it just feels even more futile.

Reserved four tickets for June 9 for now. My first trip to Osaka for a live.

My payment form still hasn't arrived. How did you reserve yours?

>303 Mine arrived today.

I'm in Saitama, and it arrived just after noon. I paid immediately. I want to go to Osaka!

For the final show, do I need a handkerchief... If they sing “Yume Mita Ato de,” I think I'll cry.

Mine just arrived in Tokyo. I'm trying to decide which one to put as my first choice. The final day is definitely going to be the biggest battle, right?

>307 Definitely. Lots of people are probably going to buy four tickets too.

I'm in Shiga, so Osaka is my only option. Since they won't reunite anyway, I really want to go.

I'm a student, so I can't travel to Osaka. Is it too difficult if I only put down two Tokyo tickets as my first choice...?

Tokyo is on a Friday and the venue is big, so it seems doable.

>308 Yeah, the four-ticket limit makes a big difference. Since it's the last one, maybe I'll give up and trust that the final day will come out on DVD or something...

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I'm in the general-sale group, so this is rough. I want them to play “Hare Dokei,” “nonsense,” “wish,” “live,” and “Lonely Night.” Will the last song be “Yume wo Mita Ato de” or “Spiral”?

The final day is definitely going to be released on DVD, right? That'll be GARNET's final release... I don't care if it's expensive, just give us the complete uncut version.

If two people apply together, we can't apply for all three days with this system, right? If we apply separately, our seats will be split up too...

Also, do we really need to rush to pay? Is it just a psychological thing?

>312 The activities themselves run through June, but the fan club lasts until autumn, right? Maybe they'll release a DVD before then. Anyway, do your best.

Is Lucciola still alive?

When is the general sale?

Even a thousand words wouldn't be enough to express how I feel. It just keeps going.

>319 Lucciola's still around. On mixi.

>322 Thanks. I don't look at mixi, so I had no idea.

If you apply for four tickets and win, do all four win? Or can you end up only getting one ticket?

I'll buy any extras.

Just paid! I really wanted to go to the final Osaka show, but it's far and the competition will be brutal, so I chose Tokyo.

>312 What comes across through a DVD can't compare with seeing it live. You can only feel the kind of emotion carved into your cells if you're there. Go witness their final performance.

If you want the final show released on Blu-ray, why not tweet a request to Terao-san, who can speak directly to Daiko Nagato?

Will the breakup-announcement footage be included on the DVD?

>329 They did film it. They probably filmed the audience too.

>314 See you again someday *\(^o^)/*!

The people on mixi are talking about singing together after the live ends. It gives me the creeps.

The final day starts at 4 p.m. How long do you think it'll run? Maybe around five hoursｗ?

>333 They might play “Spiral” for about two hoursｗ

The lyrics of “Yume Mita Ato de” really sink into my chest.

>332 That's too much. I want to be able to sit with the afterglow of the live.

>332 That really is going too far. I can understand singing along spontaneously during the encore applause, but when people plan it out that heavily, it puts me off. Spontaneous singalongs are actually pretty moving, thoughｗ

I'm not so distracted that I can't work, but it hits me whenever I let my guard down... Since it's spring, I can blame my watery eyes and runny nose on hay fever. It's the first time I've been glad to have hay fever.

I checked out GARNET's mixi community, but there were so many cult-like people that it freaked me out and I backed away. Are there no normal fans in the GARNET mixi community, rather than extreme fans and believers?

I'd rather have a fan-voted best-of than a singles collection. At the very least, they should include every B-side that doesn't belong to an album.

This place is pretty much the same. Say you liked the old stuff and you'll get treated like some nostalgia freak.

Man... My fan career is ending after only eight months. I thought I'd finally found a band I could support in real time. Can they really not keep going on lives alone? If they can draw this many people, they should be making a pretty decent profit... I was really looking forward to the Okamocchi corner. Even if the Super Light name survives, they probably won't do lives every year, so I'll never get to hear him sing GARNET again... “Kono Te wo Nobaseba” was really good. And Nana-san was so beautiful it scared me. This is such a shame.

The “I'll keep doing my best for Yuri-san today too” guy hasn't been heard from since the breakup announcement.

>343 He did post onceｗ

>322 >323 They're on Twitter too, but they've changed their name. They keep going on and on about the message project. It's annoying.

I keep coming here several times a day. Is this a wake? Please release a DVD collecting all the early MVs. I seriously can't process that there'll never be another new song to hear live. The new week has started, but I still haven't sorted out my feelings.

I've been listening to the albums in order, and there are so many songs about parting. It's too heartbreaking.

I don't get depressed over breakups as much as I used to, but maybe the sad feelings inside me will eventually disappear and fade away. I guess it's sad that even that will happen. If it wasn't a breakup, but one of the members died in an accident, it might take much longer to recover.

I picked up dinner, so I'm going to eat while watching the ParaUni DVD. The opening “marionette fantasia” is so dreamlike, it's greatｗ And Yurippe looking like a princess is great tooｗ Her makeup's a little heavy, but she's still greatｗ

>347 I know what you mean. There were already tons of carefully planted clues in lyrics from ten years ago, leading up to this perfectly timed breakup. Listening straight through from the first album makes it an epic story spanning more than ten years.

I realized after making the payment... I might have written the wrong membership number...orz As long as the address and name are right, it'll arrive, right...? I'm such an idiot—orz

Were they planning to use funeral clothes by making everyone wear black for “terminus”? The crow died and its feathers scattered... They should've mixed in some red feathers.

It wasn't funeral clothes so much as trying to look like crowsｗ

“Yume no Hitotsu” is way too heartbreaking.

I remember the author of the English vocabulary book Target 1800 writing in the afterword that translating “crow” as “peacock” instead of “crow” isn't a fatal mistake, so he wouldn't feel like taking points off... Thinking of that because of GARNET CROW's retirement, I started crying...

I think Yuri-san was an angel who descended to earth.

>349 The makeup and the Black backup chorus both felt kind of forced to me. Even during the Okamocchi corner, they seemed tense. But Furui-san probably always wanted to do that kind of thing.

Mr. Children made around 180 songs in 20 years. GARNET made around 160 in just 13. That's an insanely fast pace(#^.^#)

The Nikkei average crashed today because of the GARNET shock.

I got the date of my exam wrong〜

Not a crow, a kiteｗ

>352 The font style made me think of Harry Potter.

I'd recommend moumoon to people who've listened to GARNET CROW. The voices are completely different, but I think the musicality is similar.

“i can't take...” and the English version of “JUDY”—I seriously can't make out the words. But I like them anyway^_^

I did my best for Yuri-san today too.

The holy land is wild.

>363 Really? “SPARK” was kind of interesting, but it makes me sleepy.

I wonder what everyone's doing today.

>359 The foreign-exchange market crashed from the GARNET shock too. I shorted a hundred million shares with high leverage and made a killingｗ

The newsletters and application forms are always slow to arrive, so why did this application form show up immediately?

>363 I thought so too. Do they really sound alikeｗ

I checked mixi and seriously wish they'd stop. They're trying to drag unrelated people into something they planned on their own. It's got total school-festival energy.

>372 Saying it here won't do anything... Unless you tell them directly, they'll probably keep pushing ahead all excited. With that “we fans are part of GARNET CROW too!” attitude.

>372 Tell them, “Don't interfere with professionals' final job—the work of the GARNET CROW you love so much.”

I've started wondering if the result of always catering to people like that is what we're seeing now.

The idiots trying to do some stupid message project on mixi need to stop. They're bothering the members and staff. Get permission first.

People are saying they're getting ahead of themselves when they don't even know if they'll get tickets. They're rightｗ

>372 No thanks.

That schizophrenic guy who's always camped out in the GARNET thread has gotten even more impossible to understand.

>376 You have no right to say that to me. Who the hell do you think you are?

The “end credits of a classic movie” feeling of “Anywhere” is unreal.

Idiots, every one of them. Scalpers won't even look at something nobody wants. Since they'll price-gouge anyway, it'll probably be an empty-seat festival.

“Me, the fan representative, am the greatest”ｗ

“Love is a Bird” is way too god-tier, Yuri-san...

For those who aren't on mixi: there's currently a project being proposed in the mixi community: everyone writes messages on a shikishi board and gives it to them, and all the fans sing a GARNET song together. Here's the post from the person proposing the singalong ↓ After the whole live is over and all the encore songs have finished, I'm asking everyone in the venue to “deliberately” not applaud. (We'll hand out cards explaining the situation when people enter.) I will say to the four GARNET CROW members myself: “I have a request. What I mean by request is that, right now, right here, we GARNET CROW fans would like you to accept a singalong as our farewell gift. Would you accept it?” ...That's what I'll say. So what I want to do is have every GARNET fan in the venue on the final day sing a GARNET song together.

>385 It's awful in so many ways.

Those projects are ultimately just self-centered. They arbitrarily assume the artists will be happy too.

>385 Gross.

Giving them a message board would be one thing, but a singalong is too much.

It's that thing where, in the end, they just want to stand out themselves.

The mixi people seem to believe that the Ninna-ji live DVD was released thanks to them, so they're going to be difficult in all sorts of ways. All we can do is pray they lose the ticket lottery.

>391 What's that about?

Compared with mixi, Twitter doesn't seem to be planning anything this grand.

>393 Not grand—more like playing house.

Post the mixi screenshots already.

>372 I looked at their profile. They're working adults? That's unbelievably stupid.

What they're actually asking people to help with is: ・Explain the situation to participants and ask for their cooperation at the venue entrance on the day (make and distribute the cards above) ・Make a request to the venue operators (if there are enough people, maybe the operators will give in...) ・Propose and carry out a solution to the sound-equipment problem (At this stage, I can only think of: 　1. Borrow power and set up speakers 　2. Get permission to use the venue's speakers (probably pretty difficult) 　3. (I can't do this myself) 　　 Instrumental intro followed by an a cappella singalong) ・Suggest a song suitable as a final farewell, other than the songs listed above They actually want to use sound equipment? I'm dyingｗ For the record, “the songs listed above” means the song list this person posted earlier.

>397 “If there are enough people, maybe the operators will give in...” ←ｗｗｗｗ

Do people who plan this kind of thing really not understand what a live is for?

I wish they'd stop barging into the part most likely to be included on the DVD. If they're going to do it, they need to ask the staff to arrange it after the applause or in some other form that can be cut out during editing. I understand wanting to convey your feelings, but you're neither staff nor a member, so please don't force “the ending I came up with” into it. If the main goal is forcing their own idea into the ending no matter what, then I wish they'd just die.

>393 Twitter is recruiting people for a shikishi message separately from mixi.

>400 It has to be that last line. The kind of person who thinks, “I was the one who decorated the final chapter of the GARNET I admired.”

>400 I'm dyingｗ GARNET might be surprisingly tolerant, so maybe it'll workｗ

>403 Please don't...

>395 Here: http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org4094272.jpg There's also this stupid project saying, “They've never had an Oricon No. 1, so let's at least buy enough for them to get one at the end.” http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org4094274.jpg

If the mixi group is organized enough, this might actually happen. Seriously, I wish they'd stop. They're going to ruin GARNET's ending.

It'd be different if the members themselves had said, “We want everyone to sing together at the end,” or, “We want to get a No. 1 at the end.”

The organizer's profile is unbelievably gross.

>385 I'm dying laughing.

What kind of logic is “I'm cooperating with the organizers, so this isn't one fan acting alone”?

I checked mixi too. There's no way to describe it except childish. Putting aside whether the members would like it, there'll be staff and all kinds of other people there besides GARNET fans. Wouldn't a standing ovation alone get the sincerity across?

Don't lend them power.

They keep saying they'll take responsibility, but you don't have the right to decide GARNET CROW's ending in the first place. Somebody tell them that.

I just found out about the breakup. People called them gloomy, but if you listen closely, the rhythms besides the drums have a really fun groove, so I never really agreed with that. Though I've only heard the first and second albums. I checked out their recent songs on YouTube, and I guess they've become pretty ordinary. I always thought the band's strength was that even when the melody was in a minor key, the rhythm was still fun.

There are endings in this world that can't be changed. What can we leave behind in the limited time we have?

That 糸工牙鳥 guy on mixi seems kind of slow.

“Yuudachi no Niwa” keeps coming to mind whenever I walk home after buying a GARNET CD. Not being able to hear new songs really is the hardest part.

>414 They were still pretty good up through around the fourth. They've put out good songs from time to time since then too.

He has that rural meathead vibe. He proudly wrote that he sleeps only two hours a day, which is hilarious.

>419 He'll be dead before the liveｗｗｗｗｗ！

>419 Misawaｗ If he wanders around in front of the fans, it feels like it'd reach “broadcast accident” levels.

If you hate the project, argue against it on mixi or tell the organizersｗ Complaining here on 2ch won't get anything started. Those people have more initiative than you do.

What, all they're doing is changing the name and dropping the “God” partｗ

They're getting bashed on mixi too, so I guess it's over.

The mixi community is just a gathering of crazy people, so it's scary because you never know what they'll do. The people in the GARNET CROW mixi community aren't fans; they're stupid believers. I hope those stupid believers don't ruin the final live.

They want to borrow power and set up speakers? What kind of speakers are they planning to bringｗ

Being praised for having initiative doesn't really mean much.

>405 >There's also this stupid project saying, “They've never had an Oricon No. 1, so let's at least buy enough for them to get one at the end.” What's wrong with that? It's a sales-promotion campaign, after all. But buying it is a given if you're a fan, so if they actually hit No. 1, people might misunderstand and think, “We did that...”

>318 >327 Sorry for the late reply, and thanks. Travel expenses are going to be tough too, but I really do want to go on the final day, so I'll think about it a little longer. It probably isn't first-come-first-served based on payment time, but I'll decide and pay as soon as I can. I checked mixi too... hmm... There don't seem to be many supporters at this point, so I hope it just ends as a plan and never goes any further.

>422 Then I'll go over there.

They have the same shamelessness as those visual-kei cosplay groups.

>428 They already got a No. 1 with a DVD! What value is there in getting No. 1 anyway? And how many copies would they have to buy to beat AKB or Johnny's? That's ridiculous!

Why not just give them the message boards normally after signing them? Why does it have to happen during the show? With the breakup announced and the live in two months being the final show, I'd like to start a project. The idea is to have everyone write messages on shikishi boards. Each person writes one large character from “Thank you, GARNET CROW” on large white cloths, with messages around the characters, then all the pieces are connected and everyone spreads them out on the final day so the GARNET members can see them. We'll spread them during the GARNET chants, which should have the least impact on the show. Before the show, I'll personally explain the project to each of the other audience members in the relevant area, and we'll only do it after getting everyone's consent. If there's a problem, I'll take full responsibility as the organizer. We'll write the messages on the day near the entrances at both the Tokyo and Osaka venues, somewhere that won't cause too much trouble. For people who can't attend, I also want to deliver as many voices as possible, so I'll accept proxy writing too. If you'd like someone to write for you, leave a message after “proxy writing requested.” It would also be reassuring if people could help with the work before the day. (I'm not confident in my handwritingｗ) I'll also put out calls on my personal mixi diary and Twitter, and I'd be happy if as many fans as possible spread the word about this project. On Twitter I'll use the hashtag #GCy企画. Sorry this got long, and thanks in advance.

Incidentally, the DVD was No. 4 overall.

I searched for “5/22 album release” and it looks like miwa is releasing an album too, so No. 1 is impossible at this point.

One person can only get four tickets? Seriously? That means only about 600 groups can actually buy tickets.

Concerts charge admission, so if they play a CD, JASRAC won't just sit there quietly. I wonder how much they'll bill themｗｗ

It's a GARNET CROW live, and they're playing GARNET CROW's own songs. Surely they won't charge them, right?

They will.

Once you've entrusted your songs to JASRAC, even when GARNET CROW holds a concert using its own songs, they still have to pay JASRAC first.

They'll buy it without any urgingｗ If it were “I want to get ‘Yume Mita Ato de’ back on the charts one more time,” I could understand, but... Sorry for suddenly interrupting. Please forgive me. As everyone knows, GARNET CROW will break up on June 9. They've released 34 singles and 14 albums so far, but they've never reached No. 1 on the Oricon chart. (They have with a live DVD.) So, everyone who usually settles for renting or downloading! Would you buy the final album? At the very end, can we put GARNET CROW in the No. 1 spot on the Oricon chart? This needs help and cooperation from a large number of people, not just a few. I've been tweeting about it and calling out in my own words, but it's still not enough. You there, reading this! If you don't mind, please help spread the word. And please buy the album!! Sorry to impose, but thanks for your cooperation.

You can spot the mixi crowd as soon as they arrive at the venue. They're conspicuous in a bad wayｗ Message boards and banners are still okay, but please, seriously, no singalong.

The safest option would be a double encore, right? The show is already over, so it wouldn't cause a problem. At a Mai Kuraki show once, people kept chanting “encore” for 12 minutes and she came back out. You just keep going even after the house lights come on. Easy, right?

>442 Is it really fun to huddle together like that?

>443 If they don't come back out, you'll just complain nonstop, right?

>441 If everyone buys one copy and that gets them to No. 1, fine. But like with idols, if each person pointlessly buys a ton of copies to force a No. 1, what's the point?

I just came here after looking at the mixi community too. Someone was talking nonsense about a singalong, and I was worried what I'd do if people here agreedｗ Even a flower wreath causes problems. What idiots.

A detailed notice came out about renewal payments depending on the G-NET membership expiration date. Mine renews at the end of August, and apparently I need to pay an extra 750 yen.

Is the mixi thing real? It isn't part of an April Fools' joke?

If the banner is put up on the second floor, will Yurippe be able to see it? This is just armchair planning. If it were me, I'd give the members a set of binocularsｗ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oo5GVW_weFo/Tm3Qi8if3kI/AAAAAAAABTI/LtX7G1ryTR4/s1600/P1040865.jpg

Getting a best-of to No. 1 feels kind of weird. I wish they'd released a single.

The mixi singalong plan: http://i.imgur.com/1TWfSb3.jpg The profile of 糸工牙鳥, the organizer: http://i.imgur.com/DQjL5yA.jpg

>448 Hahaha. Might as well pay 1,000 yenｗ

But after the final song and the goodbyes are over, if the audience doesn't leave, the members come back out and sing one more song together with everyone—that's standard for breakup lives.

>452 What a lunatic who just came up with it on a whim. The kind of person who can't see past their own idea once they think it's good.

I don't understand how they can assume every fan will agree.

>452 Gross. The “everything revolves around me” vibe is way too strongｗｗｗｗ

That person live-posting the album on Twitter with the #listeningscope tag was gross and annoying, so I muted them.

>445 They usually do come back out. But there are quite a few difficult people in GARNET, you know.

Seriously, spare us from forcing a fan-organized project into a GARNET CROW live.

>454 If the organizers really weren't expecting it, it'd be a huge nuisanceｗ I wonder if GIZA has accounted for this kind of thing.

>452 People who don't care about anyone else and have no sense of cooperation are mostly Zainichi.

I'd heard the 2ch GARNET fans had a bad reputation, but it really is nothing but trash here. They have no initiative, yet they're awfully confident when it comes to talking.

So did 糸工牙鳥 run away?

They won't get charged for overtime at the venue, will theyｗ Yurippe, who's strict about money, will get angry.

It should be fine if they can split it into four parts, right?

>463 And you, esteemed GARNET fan from somewhere other than 2ch, where did you come from?

I'm a casual fan, but it's still such a waste that they're breaking up... I only own the pink best-of, but after listening through it, I felt the same all over again. Their lyrics really are great. Not just “good”—they aren't shallow. Compared with the other artists dominating the top of the charts...

>463 Causing trouble for people isn't what you call initiative.

What do you mean, “initiative”? Just get a ticket normally, enjoy the live the members made normally, and give them wholehearted, unstinting applause. Isn't that enough of an action for a fan to take?

>463 Initiative and self-satisfaction are two different things. There are countless ways to do it; you don't have to do it during the live. Can't you just quietly see them off this last time?

I was able to get tickets even without joining the FC, and I didn't need to sit up front, so I was satisfied. But now that the breakup means I might not get a ticket, I know I'll regret it... I hope I get lucky in the Pia or Musing advance lottery.

Compared with the first and second albums, the third already felt like the singing had gotten a little heavier. The fourth took even darker songs and sang them not “fragilely,” but with “passion poured into them,” so the murky feeling got stronger. The uptempo songs on the sixth and eighth were heavy in the singing too, and didn't really work.

>459 If I were the one being subjected to that, I'd find it gross and go home immediately! Then I wouldn't have to deal with people waiting outside for me either. Even better!

>463 Good evening, 糸工牙鳥-san.

I'd happily cooperate with a banner or something that didn't interfere with the group activity, but >452 definitely crosses the line.

>472 The May 24 show has been listed on Pia, but it looks like it's general sale only.

The high school 糸工牙鳥 attended: Sumida Technical High School has a deviation score of 44. ttp://www.kit-katu.com/toritu/29/135.html That explains it.

I'm in favor, but it feels like they're going to force it through... Gussan: I'm in favor. The “large scale” and “difficulty of controlling the applause” mentioned above can be solved if everyone works together. Let's bet on the possibility and try it even if it fails. Gussan >[008] Strong Dragon Squad / Ryu-san We're recruiting people now precisely so it won't be just “some of the people.” Could you think of a way to make it happen instead of only giving negative opinions? Gussan >[017] Kyoko-san If the applause is only a little weak, it might be disappointing, but if it's extremely quiet, people will think, “Is there some kind of surprise!?” And as a last-minute measure, couldn't we ask people to pass the word around by mouth at the venue? COM @ Young Boss: Hello everyone, I'm COM. Would you like me to contact and negotiate with the organizers together with my own project? If we can get the organizers to officially recognize it and make it a request from them, I think the risks everyone mentioned would be greatly reduced. Iku-ppe: I'm in!! But something this large-scale seems tough, so how about everyone singing together? There are a lot of negative opinions, but I'm in favor. I think the organizer who has such a clear vision of what they want to do, wants to make it happen concretely, and has taken action like this is wonderful!! This is the last chance to convey our feelings directly to the GARNET CROW members. Of course we can't interfere with the live, but wouldn't it be okay to give the members a surprise from us fans at least at the end? We've always received courage and emotion from their singing; this time, united as fans, we'd send our voices back to them. I'm totally in favor. Please let me help!!

I went to look and they were already getting slammed. I'm dyingｗ

I looked at the thread after posting, and it's getting kind of heated. Personally, since it's a rare GARNET CROW concert, I want to bask in the afterglow after it ends. I absolutely don't want to hear a fan singalong. Only if Yurippe says, “Let's all sing together,” would it be okay.

>385 Then let's deliberately call on everyone to applaud once the encore ends.

>478 I don't care about their deviation score, but we don't need this!

Let's fight back from the 2ch side by singing a different song. After the live ends, the lights come on and the venue announcement tells everyone to leave. We sing along with whatever background music is playing then. ↑That level of thing happens everywhere. And normally you'd put the message boards in the gift box at the entrance. Borrowing audio equipment like mixi wants to, or dragging the performers back out after the show, is absolutely out of the question. That's the idea of children with no experience as working adultsｗｗ

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>468 Even if you don't listen all the time, simply acknowledging that they have good songs makes you a fine fan. Everyone's happy to hear you say that.

>479 Whoa... I hadn't looked at mixi until now, so I didn't know, but “believers” wasn't an exaggeration after all. This isn't something a fan does.

The fact that they want to do it during the show is obviously just self-satisfaction.

The members are watching both 2ch and mixi, right?

Seeing all this makes me not want to go to the live! Is this a strategy to make tickets easier to get?

>467 Mixi. We're not bothering anyone. All we're saying is that the fans should make it lively together at the end. If you want to sit there alone with a gloomy face like you're listening to a classical concert, go ahead.

>491 Are you ignoring the fact that lots of people on that mixi are saying, “You're causing trouble, stop it”? Can't you see that this idea of “making it lively” is nothing but self-satisfaction?

The organizers—or rather, all the GARNET members—would have to agree to it, right? But if they did agree, we'd all suddenly turn around and cooperate as soon as there was an official announcementｗ That's 2ch for you.

>491 Who do you think you are, saying you're going to “make it lively”? Don't just put yourself forward as the fan representative. At least gather the opinions of all the fans first.

I don't care if volunteers do it among themselves, but stop dragging other fans in because you think your idea is guaranteed to liven things up and get everyone's support. They probably think the members will be happy no matter what they do.

Reading this discussion lets people prepare and figure out countermeasures, but there are definitely people who come to lives without using 2ch or any social media at all. Won't those people just be standing there going, “Huh?”ｗ

>491 Are you the Zainichi with a high-school deviation score of 44?

>494 Then sit there silently with a gloomy face and your head down (lol).

>491 Why not leave making it lively to the artists?

>498 Why?

Let's not ruin the final live with our own hands.

>499 The live is where the artist and fans become one and raise the energy together. B'z concerts are the same. Watching people like you sit there quietly with no energy totally kills the mood.

>496 Apparently they're going to hand out flyers at the venue. They think the staff will cooperate if enough people ask.

“Don't applaud during the encore” is impossible, right? There are tons of people who don't look at the internet. Seriously, stop forcing your values on everyone else...

I'm not forcing you if you don't agree. I don't want to deal with gloomy people either. The fans who do agree will definitely carry it out on the day.

I can't believe someone brought the deviation-score crap into a place like this...

>505 You can't even persuade this tiny number of people, so what are you talking about?

It feels so obviously like bait that I lost interest.

Come on, this is the very end. It's a waste for the 2ch and mixi fans to fight with each other. Let's unite and send them off together. So please, if you're going to do it, only do it with people who agree.

>“We'll carry it out.” It's not your concert, though.

Maybe send something like this: Dear G-NET, (omitted) It appears that some fans are independently planning an intrusive performance for their own self-satisfaction, and have probably already sent you a request. However, please understand that this proposal represents only a portion of the fans. Most fans are opposed to it. We believe that simply buying tickets normally, enjoying the live made by the members normally, and giving wholehearted, unstinting applause is more than enough for fans to do. Naturally, the final decision should be left to the members and staff. Thank you for your consideration. http://garnetcrow.com/contact/

>509 No, we're saying we really don't want you to do it.

I can't understand the mindset of trying to force through something that could ruin the live.

What are we supposed to do if one of these “activists” starts handing out papers before the live saying, “Please applaud more loudly than usual at the end of the live”?

Now there's even someone saying we should agree because they're going to write fan letters to the members and ask them to add more showsｗ I understand that some people can't go because it's far or because the venues can't fit everyone, but why tell the members themselves? The running order and everything must already be set...

>514 Report them to the staff.

>505 calling people gloomy... Who's going to agree with someone who makes arbitrary judgments from up on a high horse like that... The final live is going to turn into this tense fans-vs.-fans situation...

ID: y7Z5/TXc0 is just baiting people.

Forget that. Let's go jump off a building and kill ourselves.

Rather than making some project and fighting about it here, we should all simply send “thank you” from our seats with our applause. That would definitely be better.

>512 It's fine as long as it's just volunteers. I don't think there are enough supporters for it to interfere with the show. As long as it doesn't disrupt the proceedings or bother anyone else, people can enjoy the concert however they want. Like >517 said, I don't want the final-final ending to be fans glaring daggers at each other. Everyone should just enjoy it freely within the bounds of basic manners.

You can clearly tell the motive is wanting to stand out. Even if they sang one song after the show, after the members had left the stage, the members would hear it just fine. Though it would still bother the venue staffｗ

It's only been two days since the announcement... Cool your heads and calm down a little.

>505 Nice work, 糸工牙鳥. You reek of total bottom-feeder.

>521 >As long as it doesn't disrupt the proceedings or bother anyone else, people can enjoy the concert however they want. There's no guarantee it'll stay within those limits. If it goes too far, the fans could end up fighting each other.

The stupidity just oozes out of 糸工牙鳥's profile. They came up with the project and then ran away from it.

Even if 5,000 people sang together, they wouldn't be perfectly in sync. It'd just sound like noise.

If >505 can act and make the project happen, then the other fans have the same right. Does that mean it's fine to have all kinds of projects happening simultaneously at the end of the live? That sounds like a scene from hell to me.

People who organize projects like this feel like stalkers. They act as if their ideas and actions are right and anyone opposed is wrong.

>525 The GARNET CROW murder case! It's literally Conan!

Even the message boards are just about collecting messages so they can hand them over personally and feel good about themselves. Seriously, stop.

You can kind of tell from the “FAINL” already.

>525 There's no guarantee, but I really can't imagine this project gathering enough supporters to disrupt the show. And among the people who don't support it, surely there aren't many with such poor ignore skills that they'd pick a fight. Just give them a huge round of applause and send them off normally.

You people really don't get alongｗ

There are things that can't be fully expressed even with a thousand words, so in the end I want to send off the four members with just one word: “Thank you.”

>484 糸工牙鳥's comment just arrivedｷﾀ─ｗｗﾍ√ﾚｖｖ〜(ﾟ∀ﾟ)─ｗｗﾍ√ﾚｖｖ〜─ !! Since they apologized, I guess we can forgive them.

糸工牙鳥: “Everyone, stop applauding for a second. We have a present for the members! Ready, and—” Supporters: “To the Sunny Sea Without Water〜♪”

What is this thread turning into? Just put the presents in the box. The ones who'll be inconvenienced by some stupid stunt are GARNET and the other staff.

>532 I only just noticed “FAINL.” 糸工牙鳥 is such an idiot〜

Apology: 糸工牙鳥: Sorry, everyone. Although you've all been leaving comments, I haven't been able to reply because I was at work. After reading what everyone wrote, this project has been shelved. As for the reason, more than the risks and the back-and-forth with the organizers, there were simply more voices saying, “Don't do anything.” Out of respect for those voices, I'm withdrawing the project. Thank you very much to everyone who commented and shared all kinds of opinions. I'm sorry to everyone who was going to support and cooperate with this project.

>533 I see, so that's where we disagree. Whether it reaches the level of disrupting the show depends not only on the number of people, but also on what they're doing. Flags and banners are one thing, but making noise or singing will bother people even if there aren't many of you.

>533 I keep thinking there could be some hot-blooded idiots on the other side too.

So your job up to now was at a black company, huh. Idiots can't get into decent companies. Poor thing.

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You're plenty pathetic yourself for getting that worked up.

>540 They apologized, so isn't that good enough? Everyone makes mistakes.

Go sing by yourself!

Then let's call this topic closed. Tell me about some good music groups.

One last thing, though it's probably unnecessary: there's something I'd like to say to a few people. Please choose your words carefully when posting. Honestly, I'm used to this and thought I could let most of it slide, but some of the things said did hurt. When you post elsewhere, please try to use gentlemanly, ladylike wording. Shima-masu. Talk about an unnecessary last word.

Whatever else you say, mixi does have some self-cleaning ability. We should learn from themｗ

>548 For a recent band, Passepied is pretty easy to listen to. But when I really think about it, there aren't many bands with a vibe like GARNET's.

>540 The breakup was so recent that they probably acted impulsively while their feelings were still chaotic. I understand how they felt, and they properly explained the circumstances to the people who supported them, so I don't think we can blame them.

>546 The apology was only directed at the people who supported them, though.

>549 I wish >491 and >505 would be rewritten in that supposed gentlemanly, ladylike wording.

>549 糸工牙鳥-kun is cute. If he were handsome, I'd want to have sex with him (lol).

>553 I thought that tooｗ

That “shima-masu” typo gets funnier the more I think about itｗ

The most fun was listening to the first album and imagining what kind of people they were. Keeping themselves mostly out of the public eye was probably part of the marketing strategy too.

>557 First “FAINL,” now “shima-masu” (lol). I died laughing.

Edapiyo is gross.

>550 Most people on 2ch are so convinced they're right that they never apologize.

>553 ( ﾟдﾟ)ﾊｯ!

Yeah, that's the bad part about me.

>548 Negoto!

Shouldn't it say “I hereby withdraw the project” rather than “the project has fizzled out”? If I point that out, someone's going to tell me not to get so worked upｗ The “out of respect” wording and all that is weird too...

>565 Can't be helped. They're a Korean who just entered society recently.

Maybe this is off-topic, and sorry if I'm missing the mood, but it looks like Keiko Utoku's next WOMAN live will be the final one. Is Utoku retiring after GARNET too? The details aren't clear yet, but it shocked me...

>561 Like >505, for example.

>454 Yeah. Lately there's also a pattern where everyone sings during the encore applause. The members come back out in tears while everyone sings. If you hold up a banner, you can't see the members during that timeｗ Absolutely notｗ

I wonder if 糸工牙鳥-kun is handsome. I want to find him at the live.

Seriously, right after the live ends I'll be in too much pain to feel like singing. I'll be sobbing too hard to care about anything else.

Okushita is gross.

>572 ?

Hey, is the FC four-ticket limit real? They're really looking down on general-sale fans.

>561 It's anonymous, after all. People fake conversations tooｗ

I guess there's nothing to be done about them not getting along.

>574 I think the odds of winning an application for four tickets are pretty low.

You say you want to sing with the members, but after they made you sing “Spiral” or “Smiley Nation” every time, weren't you always complaining that it was too long?

The painfully embarrassing Fiddler Katsuki.

>577 Thanks. Now I have a little hope. I'll never buy from scalpers.

>579 I wish it was this guy who'd die.

No matter how much you look, there's just nobody who can replace Gane, huh. I wish they'd release a VOCALOID 4 songstress Yuri or something.

I felt like I remembered something, and I finally figured it out. That project where they hand out lyric flyers and everyone sings along with calls. That's a regular feature at Shokotan's lives, isn't it?

It's pretty dead in here.

I'd rather they didn't turn Yurippe into a Vocaloid...

If they retire, whose songs am I supposed to listen to from now on?

I'll listen to the 166 songs Gane left behind. Or maybe Superlight-kun can work hard at composing.

>586 Mochi.

What would happen if you turned “hachimaru-maru” into a song?

There are no songs to listen to besides GARNET CROW...(・ω・｀)

When I'm soaking in the tub, I remember all sorts of things. Going out to radio public recordings was fun too. Those things are gone now too...

Are people who casually ridicule others really GARNET CROW fans? It really turns me off.

We're in Horyground mode right now, aren't we... After the last live ends, can we even process our feelings on the way home?

The HMV site's setlist for the 30th is really detailed. The photos are pretty big too. www.hmv.co.jp/news/article/1304010012/

Good thing they released GOODBYE LONELY before breaking up.

Quit the stupid project on mixi. If you want to do it, do it by yourself.

GARNET CROW suddenly announces its “breakup” in front of 3,000 fans. An article from an industry go-to site. http://www.musicman-net.com/artist/24818.html

>594 I wonder if there's an otaku in the company.

>597 So that's why. I thought it was weirdly detailed.

There's no way Yurippe and Nana are on bad terms or anything.

You can't keep doing music for 13 years without a break if the members hate each otherｗ

・Yume mita ato de ・Kimi to iu Hikari Which one do you like better?

>602 Kimi to iu Hikari. That dreamy intro really gets me.

Wakuwaku-san is over too. Main-chan is over too. Maririn went to New York too. Yabe-chi got married too. And now Gane is breaking up. This year has been way too mentally brutal right from the start orz

Oh, really.

The others are one thing, but even if Yabe got married, it's not like that causes you any real troubleｗ

I'll work hard for Ms. Yuri again today.

Just looking at the payment slip for the last live made me tear up. It really is the last one...

If anything, I'm gradually starting not to care anymore. Everyone will manage just fine in their own way. They've all been working on the front lines up to now, after all.

For people whose FC membership expired at the end of March 2013, it says the renewal fee is 1,500 yen. It says to ask G-NET about the method, but what exactly are we supposed to do?

>609 Seriously, yeah! People with talent at this level are saying they've already put everything they had into it! I'll go to the live if I can, and if I can't, then I can't. The breakup isn't going to change either way!

Some apparent insider is spilling the beans on Chiebukuro, but leaking it at this timing is pretty damn harshｗ

“That much talent”? You guys are seriously making me laughｗ These people are simply “manufactured” artists, that's all. They're just ordinary people you could find anywhere who look a little better than average, with a coat of polish slapped on them, and then they're called singers, writers, artists, whatever. That's basically how GIZA works across the board. They've been following that policy for all 13 years since Kuraki's success, haven't they? I'm not saying you can't like these people's songs, but you'd better not call them talented or say they have real skill, even as a joke.

>613 Who cares what they look like! If you're not denying it, then quit coming here just to post about it! So who are these talented artists you listen to, then?

“A future without GARNET CROW just looks like one huge darkness, and to all you people over there thinking that if you die, you won't have to live anymore! Why don't those of us who feel the same way get together and commit mass suicide? If it made the news, the members would surely be happy to learn that there were fans who loved GARNET CROW enough to die for it!” I feel like some group is going to show up saying something like that.

No, last night I listened to garnet crow's AII Lovers on a CD player with earphones on, and... it's seriously high-quality musicｗ Nakamura-san might not be very good at doing lives in front of peopleｗｗｗ She seems better suited to working in the studio, z.

No, no, looks are important. If Yurippe and Nana looked like Hanako Yamada, nobody would have paid them any attention.

The first half and middle drag a bit, but the latter half, like “Koisuru koto shika dekinai,” is superbｗ

>616 I'm saying that just because you like something doesn't make it high-quality.

>612 Post it.

>595 They should recommend that one to the “Conan people.”

>612 Which one? What does it say?

First of all, that vocalist. It applies to most of the GIZA crowd, not just Gane. Doesn't this company take some guy they found god-knows-where, who only looks a little better than average, and put him out as a professional singer without even listening to his singing voice? There were plenty of lousy singers even before Kuraki, but Kuraki happened to hit it big, so they've just kept repeating that formula for 13 years, right?

Most of Being's random female singers are Nagato Daikō's mistresses, picked up from failed models and the like, after all. All he's doing is debuting his own mistresses. Kuraki and Yurippe probably aren't like that, but without putting too fine a point on it, Nana was probably like that at first too.

ZARD too?

>623 And you can keep going for 13 years like that, huh! Have you even listened to one album? Come on, tell us who you think the talented artists are!

Gane does have talent, right? Without it, they'd have disappeared after a few years at most, like the other GIZA singers.

To be blunt, Ms. Yuri's singing ability isn't even as good as some random girl off the street. It was really frustrating, because the lyrics and music were so good.

ID:SfkP8xaI0 is the usual obsessive poster, so put them in your NG list.

>629 If I'm obsessive, I wish you'd pay me more attention! You won't even answer my question!

I've written this many times, but I think Garnet had talent. They were a band ruined by Being-style production. They might not be great singers, but they resonate with you. At least they did in the early days. They're hopeless now.

>612 You mean that guy named Iwai something?

>631 Looking at what's selling these days, do you think they would have sold if they'd gone for a Sakanaction-like style? Though it depends what you mean by “selling”—do you think they could have become as well-known to the general public as that?

>202 Speak Japanese. Which is it? I guess you probably mean they hadn't exhausted everything they could do.

They say they've already given it everything... But I feel like they could still make more, if they had plenty of time and took it slowly... But Okamocchi said on a Nico Live before, “All the members are getting on in years, after all~(^^;)” And their tenth album is a nice round number too, so maybe it was the right timing after all? I wanted them to keep going at least until their 15th anniversary, though.

So you mean they're aging really badlyｗｗｗ

>615 You just wanted to say the first partｗｗ

>620 >622 I think it's just a baseless rumor. ttp://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13104805573

They weren't even all over TV, so why did they end up getting targeted by so many idiots?

But looking at what Being has done up to now, it's scary that you can't exactly say it's all lies.

Is there not going to be an Ododama this year? That's the only place we get to interact with Yurippe.

>638 “Can't even play a single instrument”... That's the same person who keeps going on about Nagato in here, rightｗ

>612 http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11104803796 This one? But information on the internet is a real mix of good and bad. Fans have no way to tell whether this was written by some insider telling the truth or some lunatic writing out a delusion. The questioner is practically crying while asking for the reason behind the breakup, but there's no way to know the real reason. GARNET themselves said they had “given it everything,” so I think we can just take it that way.

The moment you describe anonymous nonsense with no basis as a “tip-off” or a “leak,” we should all know what's really going on.

Setting aside the Nagato stuff, the fact that Iwai's name suddenly appears out of nowhere does make me think there might actually be something to it.

Yahoo Idiot Bagｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

But when you think about it, it's a bit much to believe Yurippe wouldn't notice she was pregnant when her belly was already getting big. I don't know why Iwai's name came up, but it's not exactly a name you can just pull out of thin air either.

It's true that people who can compose are usually good singers too. Aika Ohno is good as well. As for Ms. Yuri...

Yurippe has done singing while playing too, though. But I do think Azuki relying entirely on ghostwriters is a thing.

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It is true that the number of lives had gone down since about five years ago, and the promotional work was being handled by just Yuri and Okamoto. You could connect the dots, I guess.

I've been thinking that maybe this band was originally something Nagato put together for Nana, since she couldn't sing and couldn't debut in the vocalist-and-lyricist format like the others. There was already Furui, so there was no need for her to stand out front as a keyboardist, and Nana's unusually high income in the early days was suspicious too.

I really think Yurippe is good when she plays acoustic.

> “Since then, she quietly got married and had a child.” They saw each other all the time, so they would've noticedｗ

Hotaru no Hikari is nice.

This is getting seriously messy now. No wonder B'z says, “How sour! An adult paradise!”

They must be pretty satisfied after getting this many bitesｗ

Anyway, the best thing for pure, proper fans is not to worry about all the dirty stuff behind the scenes. If you dig into a company like Being, you'll find as many unpleasant secrets as you could ever want.

They switched from Furui's GC route to Okamoto's MQ route, Mr. Furui went back to his main job as an arranger, and Ms. Nana retired, fell seven times, and got up eight.

I wonder if the members are going to board that sailing ship and set off? It'd be a long trip, carrying those huge trunks... I can't wait until the day they come back to us. I'm so lonely... So maybe I'll sneak into Ossan's trunk, get him to take me on as a disciple, and have him drill arrangement into me! If he catches me, I feel like he'd throw me off the flying sailing shipｗ

>659 What about Yurippe?

Full-time housewifeｗ

>658 Isn't that what people call a believer?

If you know of any recommended hotels near Grand Cube, please tell me. There's no way I can make a same-day round trip from Fukuokaｗ

“If we have MQ, we don't need GC.”

Azuki in the booklet looks about as old as my mom. Maybe she's lost the battle against age.

>664 The Rihga Royal Hotel next door. I think they had single business rooms for around 7,000 yen. It's directly connected to Keihan Nakanoshima Station, so staying in Kyoto and doing some sightseeing is also recommended.

Azuki really does have a mom-face. I can't get turned on by her.

>667 Thanks. I've been to Kyoto so many times already, so maybe I don't need to go this time. I go every January 1st, after all.

You guys are seriously grossｗｗ

I was thinking about buying some merch at the store, but it's expensive. I can't decide what to get. What does everyone have?

>633 I don't know whether they would've sold well, but at least they would've kept resonating. Right in the heartｗ

The sky changes, weeke-en.

I wonder if there'll be a new MQ song under the Nakumura-Okamoto name?

>668 Someone said her voice sounds like a mom's voice, but is it the typical voice of a Kansai mom?

Yurippe always looked kind of middle-aged.

>676 That's not true. She was a cool older sister. Though in first livescope, maybe because she was wearing a tracksuit, she seemed a little delinquent.

Yurippe was wearing a black tracksuit at first? She looked like a driving school instructorｗ

But the OVER DRIVE outfits were surprisingly cute, so I realized she actually has a sense of fashion too. And maybe her personality is surprisingly nice tooｗ

>679 “Surprisingly” is unnecessary. I really do think she has a good personality. Though she looks scary when she's angryｗ

Prediction GARNET CROW livescope〜THE FINAL〜 01. 君の家に着くまでずっと走ってゆく (single ver.) 02. 巡り来る春に 03. Circle Days 04. Sky 05. スカイ・ブルー 06. 君という光 07. Rhythm 08. クリスタル・ゲージ 09. Love is a Bird 10. Ｕ 11. メモリーズ 12. The Someone's Tale 13. 二人のロケット 14. 日々のほとり 15. 冷たい影 16. 永遠に葬れ 17. 白い空 18. マージナルマン 19. もう一度 笑って 20. 君の思い描いた夢 集メル HEAVEN 21. トランス・トラップ 22. A crown 23. ふたり 24. 今宵エデンの片隅で 25. スパイラル -Encore 1- 26. Float World 27. 夏の幻 28. Mysterious Eyes -Encore 2- 29. Holy ground 30. 夢をみたあとで

At the first live, Yurippe was so stiff with nerves and ridiculously cuteｗ By around Towa Bare, she'd become “Very gooood!” “It's a new song!” ...but Yurippe was still cute.

So what happened to the people who were saying, “If I pay tomorrow, will they treat it as dormant?”

I'm 45, after all, and I've been in this religion for eight years. I've already been through losing an artist I was really into... A few days since the announcement. Even on overnight shifts I didn't get depressed, and I could chat with my coworkers. I feel like I can get through this one... Q's Mall is a separate matter... I got hooked, went to three lives, and a few days later, a musician I thought was only just getting started said, “We're breaking up.” What terrible timing. I took the bait and got hooked. If I'd been in my twenties, I'd probably have been spacing out and gotten into an accident. And since I was going to university (though I got expelled twice) while studying for the entrance exams, it made my depression even worse. Let me tell you my long story... Young people will probably find it rough... By the time they break up, this thread will just turn into a river of posts. A place where everyone dumps their thoughts day after day...

>684 When I think that I won't have to read your comments anymore, I guess that's a good thing in its own way.

DIMENSION is celebrating its 20th anniversary, though.

Now that GARNET CROW is breaking up, what can I listen to to fill this emptiness? Is there anything similar? Maybe GOING UNDER GROUND?

>681 I don't think they'll play this many deep cuts. It'll probably be a matter of taking the rare songs out of the best-of tour and stuffing in their recent regulars.

Mr. Holiday isn't on there. Do it over.

>684 The more I read it, the less sense it makesｗ I mean, who knows.

>688 It's just a wish list, so let them have it. In reality, they'll probably focus on singles since they'll also be thinking about the best-of album release. They'll sprinkle in a few early songs like “wish” and “Seichi.” A few from the recent stuff. Maybe two coupling tracks at most. There are way too many things I want to hear, so it's nowhere near enough. They absolutely have to do a double encore.

Since it's the last one, I wish they'd center it on coupling tracks and album songs.

Did Okamocchi graduate from Doshisha?

A few songs from the best-of. Fan favorites like Megurimichi, As the Dew, or Lonely na Night? I think the final closing song will probably be Yume mita ato de.

I want to hear callmyname. And I'd like to hear just one Nana solo song, even if it's only one.

Garnet Crow is Furui's reward band, right? That's why it lasted so long even without selling all that much.

>681 > Prediction > 30. 夢をみたあとで This one is definitely happening.

Ever since the breakup announcement, whenever I listen to a Garnet song, my tear ducts start leakingｗ

>697 I hope that prediction is wrong. If they put it at the end, I'm gonna cry.

I think Fall in Life〜Hallelujah〜 would be good as the last song. We should at least be able to say goodbye with some energy, right? More than anything, the lyrics of this song make me feel like Gane might come back someday.

For the last song, I think Over Drive would be nice...

I kind of want Mysterious Eyes. Something that gets everyone fired up...

Lonely Night would be good too. I guess I should bring a bouquet after all.

If they want to go out on a bright note, the classic is “Spiral,” but it somehow doesn't feel right for the very end. It has to be “Yume mita ato de” here. Everyone might as well cry their eyes out.

Couldn't they have transferred from GIZA to another record company? I feel like there'd be demand for them at another label.

Please let us hear Maboroshi at the last live. I went to the Fukuoka stop of the STAY best-of tour, but they didn't play either of those.

>615 I laughed at the very beginningｗｗｗｗ

Maboroshi is another option. GARNET CROW breaking up is a maboroshi. The fact that GIARNET CROW ever existed was a maboroshi too. In a way, that might help me accept it.

Somehow I feel like they'll finish brightly with Spiral after all.

They'll close with Spiral before the encore, right?

I vote for Fall in Life〜Hallelujah〜 too.

One way or another, I think the closing song will be Yume mita ato de. “Everyone, thank you for supporting us for these 13 years. This next song will be GARNET CROW's last song. With all our gratitude for these 13 years: Yume mita ato de.”

No matter what they play as the last song, there's no way everyone won't be bawlingｗ ♪ [A lyric excerpt about meeting again with smiles, feeling happy about everything that was set in motion, and “Fall in Life, and so, Hallelujah!”] It's an upbeat song, but if they sing it like that, my tear ducts are going to completely give outｗ

How about ending with ultra soul?

Mai Kuraki will do backing vocals for the last one, right?

>695 A hundred percentｗ

>715 They'd get roasted if they did that, though! Has Mai Kuraki ever sent flowers to Gane, or Gane to her?

I wanted to hear Aobird at least once〜 Maybe the final song will be Spiral, with Yume mita ato de as the last encore song.

♪ [A lyric excerpt about loving someone during a journey toward an inevitable parting, eternity dwelling in a fleeting moment, and a heart being handed over...] I'm about to cry.

They say they've given it everything, but I would've been fine with more songs in the same vein. I still wanted to hear new songs for much longer, and I wish they'd kept going forever.

I really want to hear Rai・Rai・Ya at the end〜

For the finale, I want Yurippe to throw the fundoshi she wore from the stage.

But when all's said and done, even songs we've gotten tired of hearing at lives will probably feel lonely if we don't get to hear them one last time.

I thought they'd keep doing only the music they wanted for a long time, without compromising their own worldview even if they didn't sell. If they're going to break up anyway, I would've liked to see Gane make one blatantly commercial song and explode in the media, just once.

>719 It's one of my best songs too, but they really never sing it live. In a way, I always feel like this song is packed with the essence of Gane.

Unreleased song “Last Page” (lyrics, composition, arrangement: Yuri Nakamura) [A lyric about a small smile, memories piling up, growing tired of the weight of two hearts drifting apart, leaving on a journey without saying goodbye at summer's end, briefly opening up to an intense romance, and people repeating painful goodbyes because of their own selfishness.]

Somehow, I think Mou ichido waratte would be good for the end.

I still hold out a tiny bit of hope for a limited-time reunion if the right opportunity comes along, so please don't end it with “Eien ni houmure.”

>724 Quit saying childish things. If you're doing it professionally, you can't keep going if you don't sell. Some people say they could just go indie and keep doing it, but that's ridiculous. They were a group assembled after being hired by Being in the first place, so that concept doesn't exist for them. Their songs really are just at the level of an assembled-together group, when you get down to it.

>729 There he is again! Answer my question!

Who the hell knows what your question is? Point to the post number, asshole. You're way too self-important for an anonymous message board, you piece of trash.

>731 Post 626, duh! At least search the ID!

Saying Gane has talent has to be a jokeｗｗｗ What a weird time we're living in. Keep something going long enough and weirdos start popping up. There are even people saying Kuraki has real ability. Back in GIZA's early days, these people's lack of ability was mocked relentlessly. “GIZA sucks” was basically a stock phrase on early 2ch, wasn't it? If you listen long enough, do you start imagining that people with no ability actually have some? But that particular weirdo never reached the level of becoming a mainstream phenomenon, so they ended up breaking up without ever really taking offｗ

I realized yesterday that Gane breaking up is the right answer for my own personal showbiz karma. I've finally become an adult. I don't know whether my mood will still have some kind of manic-depressive thing going on until the breakup, but... Kant? A realization like “you must not treat people as a means” (because people are normally ends)... There was no other way... To put it simply: before the intermediary (the next host) appears, the main body (Gane) disappears, like Kaworu-kun from Evangelion. ...In terms of entertainment and art... I won't go so far as to blame spirits, but this is the point where the negative spiral gets cut off. It appeared from the point of the first breakup after Maruse Taro died in 2001! (Kaworu-kun, I have no idea what you're saying.) With Gane's breakup, my rambling is scheduled to end too. My death rattle is the death rattle of the person inside. So Yurippe's counterattack into a shot has an aura like Samejima's? I'm sunk, though.

Why is this guy even here... Since I'm a general-sale applicant, I'm worried whether I'll be able to get a ticket.

>732 There is no need to answer a stupid question in the first place. No matter whether anyone else has ability or not, the fact that Gane has no ability doesn't change. GIZA's crowd, Gane included, are people who forcibly fabricated artists out of complete amateurs with no talent whatsoever. They've done this for 13 years and nothing has come of it. If they still want the company to survive, they should change their policy already. What the hell has this stupid company been doing for 13 years?

I don't think they broke up because they were on bad terms. They haven't interacted enough on a personal level to become estranged. These people barely see each other during the production process, right? It's a completely divided-up workflow, isn't it? Maybe the only time they even know each other is interviews and lives.

>736 What's stupid about the question in >626? Tell me!

>736 If you care so much about GIZA, become a shareholder. At least, even if you kept popping up in this thread to rant, nobody would agree with you. What a waste of time.

>739 This guy really makes no sense! I wonder if he has some grudge against them.

Get lost, you illiterate idiot.

Is that shareholder idiot here again? Didn't this guy go wild here last Sunday morning too? You can't become a shareholder unless it's a listed company like Avex, can you?

Which one of you is the one throwing a fit, exactly?

>741 That'd be you! Now hurry up and tell us who these talented artists are!

If Nana and Iwai really have a child, I'd love to see it.

>742 You're the one who makes no sense! Go back and read what you wrote!

Gane is the prime example of part of the Being fanbase fooling itself, right? Before that, they listened to super-straightforward stuff like ZARD and DEEN and got mocked for it. Then a curveball as deliberately weird as Gane comes along, so of course they start imagining it must be high-level. Didn't they actually promote it with something like “We can even do melocore”? “Surreal = high-level” is the kind of middle-schooler logic you also see among rock-magazine nerds.

I think Yurippe's talent is her vocal tone. She isn't a great singer, but I didn't become a fan because of her singing technique anyway. And Nana's lyrics are indispensable too. This combination alone is something totally unique. ...If anyone starts spouting that ghostwriter crap again, I'll throw a red randoseru at them!

The one throwing a fit is the same person as always. It's that usual guy again.

Nothing but pathetic losers in here〜

Gane isn't surreal. It's simply that they never reached a professional level. The two men were probably at least hired as professional talent. The problem is the two women up front. Isn't that the so-called GIZA method? Take perfectly ordinary women you could find anywhere, who only look a little better than average, and forcibly fabricate them as singers and creators and put them out there. After 13 years of this GIZA method, has it produced any results at all? I wonder what Nagato thinks about everything he's done. At a normal company, executives like these would have to resign to take responsibility.

>748 If you start calling a low level “uniqueness” or “individuality,” you can say anything you want. Sorry, but these people's lyrics and singing are just mediocre amateur-level stuff. Was GIZA a company set up to experiment with how far something like that could pass as professional if they fabricated it? If so, Gane's breakup marks the failure of that experiment. What pointless crap has this company been doing for 13 years? Kuraki's breakout was just a once-in-a-lifetime fluke among flukes.

>751 I'm sick of that copypasta. You'll post the same copypasta again tomorrow, won't you? What a pathetic jobｗｗｗ

The Tokyo show is already next month. They're going to release live merch properly, right?

>746 Give it a rest and stop engaging him. In a place where most people are Gane fans, he just keeps posting the same complaints, so he must have a lot of free time.

For Natsu no Maboroshi, Timeless Sleep, and Maboroshi on the best-of album coming out in May, are these versions without new arrangements or re-recorded vocals? Anyway, maybe I'm the only one who thinks this, but I want the CD case for the best-of album coming out in May to be easy to put the CD back into. When I tried to put the disc back in the case for Terminus, it was hard to secure it in the center of the CD case. I hope they improve that part.

>753 Hey, you. You're all over 2ch, aren't you? I've seen you in the WANDS and BOØWY threads too. Are you that Being-fan troll who causes trouble everywhere? I keep seeing you misuse “copypasta” everywhere. Copypasta means something that's been copied and pasted, you know.

>752 Then you need to list the lyricists and artists who actually made something of themselves. Otherwise your argument has zero credibilityｗｗ You need to write more logical Japanese, or nobody can understand what you're trying to say.

>754 They have to make money, after all. I'd buy the whole set even if it cost 100,000 yen.

The merch looks like it's going to set an all-time sales record.

>758 Why? Suppose I answered, “There are no successful lyricist-artists.” Would that mean, “So Gane is a successful lyricist-artist”? You really need to stop making knee-jerk reactions based on that faulty logic.

>757 I don't get what you're trying to accomplish by posting that when you know this place is full of Gane fans.

>755 Got it, I gave him way too much attention! He's some incomprehensible guy who only states his own opinions and never answers questions. At least I know he's nuts!

Losers, get out of here.

>757 > “I see it everywhere.” You look all over 2ch, do youｗｗｗ Are you just an internet shut-in? Good grief, what a bored loser.

I think the real losers are bands that break up without ever having a hit.

>762 I see, so that troll is a Gane fan too. That troublemaking idiot acts so high and mighty despite being a Being fan.

Please re-release all of miniqro. I loved the rearranged songs, but there was barely anything besides miniqro in the latter half.

sage

>766 They're simply at the level of a band that breaks up without ever having a hit. What exactly do you think you're mistaken about? Besides Kuraki, has even one person produced by this GIZA method left anything behind in the music industry? I bet Nagato feels pretty empty about it. What a ridiculous way to spend 13 years.

>770 We don't need your speech anymore. No matter how many times you write it, it's the same thing.

>765 No, you. I'm saying you use “copypasta” wrong. You keep posting with incorrect usage, so your entire trail is laid bare.

>761 You're arguing past the point. Or are you admitting that you understand your own opinion has no persuasive power?

>771 Say that after you've actually made a counterargument.

>774 Do I need to make one?

>767 Sorry, but I don't understand that line of reasoning. I'm asking what you're doing here.

>773 If you understood >761, you'd stop making those off-topic knee-jerk replies like, “Then who are the artists you approve of?”

I wonder if they're leaving the Mixi topic up because they're hoping the tide will turn.

Gane fans are mostly mentally unwell otaku types. They weren't popular at all and had no name recognition, yet their 2ch thread alone is unusually active. That's probably why.

>776 Why don't you get it? Someone was talking about that troll, and you replied, “This place is full of Gane fans.” That means the troll is a Gane fan, doesn't it?

SfkP8xaI0 has finally gone off the deep endｗｗｗ What a delusional freak.

Live DVDs are nice too, but since this is the end, could they release a collection of all the single PVs?

>778 Probably. Once the pro side increases, they'll probably do some “unity” (lol) thing.

Can't you just ignore him normally.....

Most people don't know or care who else is in the same agency.

It's fine if you're mentally unwell. I'm just telling you to stop making the wrong assessment that they have “ability” or “talent.” Isn't GIZA a company that's spent 13 years forcibly fabricating singers and artists out of ordinary people walking around who only look a little better than average? Gane breaking up is basically a declaration that this fabrication method has completely failed. I wonder what Nagato thinks after clinging to Kuraki's fluke breakout for 13 years without producing anything else.

Wouldn't it be better to just ignore trolls and the like?

>781 Do you really hate Hotei and Shibasaki that muchｗ Yet you freak out whenever someone insults BOØWY or WANDS. What a bizarre thought processｗ It's all been figured out, you know?

>786 How many times do you have to write the same thing before you'll be satisfied?

>778 Didn't the staff prepare something like a banner for the Saegusa event? I arrived just in time, so I wasn't really sure.

Nagato is only interested in women, so he probably doesn't think anything of it.

They say conflicts only happen between people on the same level, so can't you just ignore the troll normally?

>777 It's not off the mark. Giving specific examples makes an opinion more convincing. They're material for strengthening your argument. That's how you turn a crappy essay into an argument that gets your point across. Honestly, your posts are embarrassingly low-level stuff to show other people.

>779 I can't deny that they're mentally unwell. As for sales, I think the biggest reason is that they didn't use mass media, or couldn't use it. Especially TV—the promotional effect is still miles ahead of everything else. Once that industry realizes something makes money, it'll keep fattening it up forever.

Is he pissed because people keep writing the same thing, or because people keep writing things he doesn't like? Which is it with this guy? If he really hates seeing the same thing repeated, then he should also get angry every time someone repeats “I'm sad they're breaking up,” rightｗ

>780 That's why I'm asking what “ID:SfkP8xaI0” is doing here. This place is full of Gane fans, so obviously you're the anti-fan they're talking about.

>793 Then answer >761.

The only one with good songs and a voice that fit was Mysterious Eyes.

>794 Huh?ｗｗｗｗ These people were Conan's go-to artists and used TV all the time. They appeared on TV normally, with Music Station leading the wayｗｗｗ

>797 So how many times do you have to write the same thing before you'll be satisfied?

>796 No, you replied to the part about “the troublemaking guy,” didn't you?

You keep saying 13 years, but even back in the ZARD and MiKe days before GIZA existed, their method was to bring in girls who'd come from modeling and call them artists. Does this guy not know what happened before that?

>802 ZARD at least had the minimum qualities needed to be a singerｗ The way they put the polish on her was just shady. She was in a different league from the GIZA crowd, whose underlying material was garbage.

Oh, so you're a ZARD believer.

>786 Huh? The same post againｗｗｗｗ Copypasta guyｗｗｗｗ SfkP8xaI0 is currently having a meltdown.

>782 Strongly agree. And it would be great if they released a band score too...

That's a bit of a stretch.

>802 That's what I'm saying, you...

That's a bit of a stretch.

>805 The more you write, the more obvious it is that you're the troublemaking guy. The BOØWY thread has slowed down too, hasn't it? Ever since Gane disappeared and you started camping out hereｗ

Basically, I'm saying you should stop with the ridiculous idea that Gane has talent or ability. I'm not denying that people like Gane's songs, but these people are simply low-level. It screams GIZA, doesn't it?

>385 They did that at Ai Kawashima's anniversary event. They said they'd gotten permission from the agency beforehand or whatever, and then members in the front row suddenly started singing. It was creepy.

I'm jealous. Something that could last 13 years like Happy Lesson, I guess. But by the time I arrived, the paradise had already torn itself apart and burned down. Looking back now, it was all a scripted scenario... Same thing over in the idol voice-actor village... I feel like I did something bad there too. A weak wolf among a herd of sheep... Even though I thought I was just fooling around over here, everyone kept getting crushed one after another... There was a time when it felt that way. It's not all like that, though, and this isn't some misfortune blog... I made up my mind and went to Nissan Stadium, like I was going to learn some kind of technique. Then that person got injured and fell out of the front line. When I get hooked, when I come to like something so much that I can't stop thinking about it... “It's not all of it! The other side has its own karma too.” Even when my adrenaline? stops coming out and I move toward equilibrium? During the compensatory act too. This time, the compensation was for my parents joining a religion (to avoid? my brother's tragedy). = The disappearance of Gane as my personal source of fun. So money alone isn't enough as payment. Maybe you have to put your heart into it too... ... (Kaworu-kun, what are you talking about? I don't understand.)

>811 It's hard to deal with you forcing your vague standards on me.

I mistyped it. 806 was addressed to 801.

If they transferred to Aying, they'd be A-class singers... What an idiot!

But they have devoted fans, and they lasted 13 years. In terms of sales, apart from Kuraki and Airi, they're not even comparable to the other GIZA acts. You can't lump them together.

>796 “Who are some examples of successful artists?” If I answer that question with “There are no successful artists,” does that mean Gane becomes a successful artist? Are you in elementary school, answering a question with another question? This conversation doesn't line up at all. You twist “Who are some examples?” into whatever you want and then get angry about it. Wow, I've really learned that communication-disordered people exist.

This company really kept the wrong policy going for 13 years. Looking at GIZA, it seems they're still shamelessly putting out more of the same, like this thing called Gram. I guess they still want to keep going. I wish Thomas would issue a freeze order against GIZA.

>818 Does it or doesn't it? Answer already, baldy.

I told my coworker there were last lives in Tokyo and Osaka, and they asked, “You mean Tokyo is the rehearsal and Osaka is the real one?” I'm going to Tokyo, though...(´･ω･`)

>817 That's the pot calling the kettle black. Aiuchi and these guys alike were all at the level of deserving to be axed.

He's been carrying on for over an hour now. He's so damn annoying. Could he please go home already? ﾁﾗｯﾁﾗｯ

What a perfect lunatic for the aftermath of a breakup announcement.

It's annoying to hear you saying the wrong things, like Gane has ability or talent. What ability does the GIZA method haveｗ

>822 Hey, hey, what exactly are you trying to do here?

Anyway, go argue in the Being thread.

It's so laughable how utterly unconvincing this is and how the discussion hasn't moved an inch. Poor thing.

“I think I'm right, so I must be right.” (smug face) Can't you do something about this kind of logic?

The discussion isn't moving because everything I'm saying is completely correct.

>830 It means your posts aren't persuasive enough to move anyone's heartｗｗｗ

>831 That isn't persuasive either.

“Tell me what your correct answer is.” → “Wrong things don't become right, so I'm not telling you.” Idiot.

>830 Whoa... this is too much, even for you...

Isn't the logic basically, “Compared to artists who made it, Gane is an artist that didn't make it”? If there are no artists who made it—if the number is zero— then there's nothing to compare against, so I don't understand what the phrase “made it” is supposed to mean. You can only say whether someone made it or not by comparing them with something. So when you ask, “Who are some examples?” and the answer is “There aren't any,” that's incoherent.

I don't remember anyone asking me what my correct answer wasｗ There sure are a lot of idiots who can't use Japanese properly. Just like these people's lyrics.

Delusions can't go anywhere. They're that person's ideal, after all. Even if someone shows you their delusion, all you can do is say, “Oh, I see,” and end it there.

>835 I don't understand what you're saying. It's entirely possible that nobody made it. So what you're saying is just a stupid question, got it?

>837 It's not a delusion. These guys kept going for 13 years without ever taking off, and now they're breaking up. That's a fact.

The only time I've seen GARNET live was at the Asunal public recording. I'll go see them one last time.

Don't engage him just because his reactions are funny. Let's listen to “Happy Pet” and chill out.

>838 > If there are no artists who made it—if the number is zero, > then there's nothing to compare against, so I don't understand what the phrase “made it” is supposed to mean. You don't understand what this part means?

>839 If anything, that's the only part that's a fact.

Put in Bill Bruford terms, Gane is like making money with eight-member Yes and then using Earthworks to do what you really want. They handle Conan and the like to keep the agency flush, and in exchange they do the things they want to do. Isn't it basically that? I don't really know, though. Let's stop here for today.

>842 I don't get it. Explain it in detail. Lead me to the conclusion that Gane's lyrics and songs are successful.

>843 If they had talent, after doing this for 13 years and getting plenty of chances to be heard in the media, they wouldn't have ended without ever taking off. In other words, these people had neither ability nor talent. They were originally mocked relentlessly as symbols of the GIZA method, but at some point they magically became “talented.” Your senses are completely numbｗ

Let's not end the thread with this back-and-forth. I'm bored of it. Someone who's working hard for Yuri, please change the direction of the conversation〜

Their music and lyrics had something unique that other singers didn't, and a lot of people found that appealing. That's why they lasted this long. Kuraki was made by copying Utada, and Aiuchi by copying Hamasaki, so even though they had brief booms, their major popularity quickly disappeared. Gane, on the other hand, existed without copying anything. That's why almost none of the fans left, and they made it all the way to the end.

>848 Don't talk about these people as if their popularity was on Utada's or Hamasaki's level. If they'd ever had that kind of popularity, even for a while, I wouldn't be saying this now.

Because what I want is a relationship that never ends.

>846 > If they had talent, after doing this for 13 years and getting plenty of chances to be heard in the media, they wouldn't have ended without ever taking off. > In other words, these people had neither ability nor talent. Yeah, sure. > They were originally mocked relentlessly as symbols of the GIZA method, but at some point they magically became “talented.” Yeah, sure. > Your senses are completely numbｗ Yeah, sure.

Yurippe isn't pregnant, is she? No way.

>845 “There are no successful lyricist-artists” → all existing artists are unsuccessful. → If everyone is unsuccessful, then that quality can't be used as a basis for comparison in the first place. → In the first place, whether someone is successful or unsuccessful isn't an issue. → At least, there is no such thing as the “unsuccessful amateur level” you described in >752.

>852 She looked fine at the live the other day. Unfortunately, it probably isn't my child.

>852 I think she'll announce on the final day that she's marrying either Mochi or the drummer.

♪ [A lyric excerpt about the wind carrying away someone's shadow without a trace, and feeling tested down to the blink of an eye.] I'm about to cry...

>846 There are plenty of artists who shine brighter than Gane, and plenty who don't shine at all. So is your definition of “shine” still this “make it” thingｗｗｗ

>853 The idea of “comparison” is wrong in the first place.

Is Kurose single?

>857 No. Your reading comprehension is hopeless. You can disappear now.

>860 You too.

>858 If it's not a comparison and is just your subjective opinion, then that's exactly what “delusion” meansｗ

I think they became more popular than the company originally expected. The original plan was the standard Being formula: gather people who didn't even know each other, add a pretty girl washed up from being an idol, and slap together a band. I doubt they expected a group like that to achieve such broad popularity.

My grandma used to say that anyone who engages a troll is a troll too.

Just got here. Three-line summary?

Wasn't AZUKI the representative director of one of Being's DVD subsidiaries or something?

If Yurippe and Mochi got married, I might be able to send her off with a smile.

>865 INSANE INVASION

Anyway, stop saying Gane has ability or talent. It's wrong. People fabricated through the GIZA method can't possibly have talent. Their lyrics and songs are just unsuccessful amateur-level stuff. The fact that you like them doesn't mean they have talent.

>863 > I doubt they expected a group like that to achieve such broad popularity. Please, stop taking the bait.

>869 Whatever.

What results has GIZA actually achieved in these 13 years? I'd love to ask Nagato: “Did you really think you could keep hitting one after another with tricks like the Kuraki scam?”

Over 40 posts and this is still goingｗ I blocked him immediately, though.

>872 If you're just talking to yourself, do it on your blog.

Azuki was Nagato's “one” after Izumi Sakai, you know. Like Sakai, Nagato takes good care of his women—after they break up, he gives a subsidiary of his own company to his mistress.

>869 Yeah, I agree with the last line. But the second line above that has no persuasive power.

Who cares if you blocked himｗ Not a single person in this world gives a damn about what you do.

“垂れ一人” ()

>876 If you agree with the last line, that's the same as agreeing with the whole thing. I see. Looking at your posts, you're pretty stupid.

>879 > If you agree with the last line, that's the same as agreeing with the whole thing. Are you seriously saying thatｗ

An idiot, but incredibly persistent.

>879 I only agreed with denying the proposition “otaku liking it means it has talent.” I didn't agree with “GC has no talent”... Was that really so hard to understand?

>872 Are you okay with Japanese? This is incoherent.

Both Aiuchi and Gane probably wanted at least one huge hit. But no matter how hard they tried, they could only reach the 100,000-copy level. I wonder if Nagato is being overwhelmed by emptiness. The Kuraki formula will never work again, baldyｗｗｗｗ

>884 Can you read the thread title?

Azuki was part of that whole model-girl pipeline too. She was supposed to take lyric-writing lessons and debut as a singer, but she kept failing auditions because her singing ability was disastrous, so she ended up following the route she's on now.

>882 You haven't agreed that “GC has no talent.” In that case, you can't agree with “denying that otaku liking something means it has talent” either. Stop forcing it, idiot.

Is that it? That so-called high-functioning autism?

>882 No, that guy can't even understand simple Japanese. It's hard talking to someone with no logical ability. The moment he answered a question with another question, I was speechless. You can tell what kind of background he comes from.

>886 Nakamura was about the same, wasn't she? Maybe the reason things ended up on this route is that Nakamura, who they picked up along the way, was also fitted into the package because they wanted to fabricate her too.

The troll and the outsider have both shown up, huh.

>889 You waited until after >887 was posted to do that fake conversation. Too late. You got called out in the BOØWY thread too, didn't you? Hey, troublemaker.

We're not beginners, so why is everyone refusing to ignore him? You're all too kind to keep engaging him.

I've stopped engaging ID:SfkP8xaI0, so everyone else should stop too!

>887 You think that once you deny “otaku liking it means it has talent,” there can be no category of “both liked by otaku and talented,” don't you?ｗｗ

Ends in i.

>890 Full-on delusionｗ

>895 Don't say childish things, you uneducated idiot. “I haven't agreed that GC has no talent.” In that case, I'm saying there is no basis for agreeing with “denying that otaku liking it means it has talent.” If you have a basis, explain it.

>892 What does BOØWY have to do with this? Why are you bringing up BOØWY? Your mind is messed up in all kinds of ways, delusion boy.

Gane is the ultimate product of the GIZA fabrication method. They're exactly the same kind of thing as Kuraki, Uehara, and Saegusa. The two men in back are basically just support musicians. What exactly are you confused aboutｗ

>898 Isn't that the existence of a category called “liked by otaku and talented”? Once that category is accepted, you can just put GC in it.

>898 You don't need any basis for agreeing with it. “Otaku like it → it has talent” is logically wrong in the first place.

>898 Then give us an example of an artist who made it.

At this rate, it'll take ten years just to move the conversation one step forwardｗ

Azuki was probably originally meant to fill Ōguro's position. Ōguro herself even said she didn't like being selected based on her looks. If you assume Azuki made the rich list before Gane really started up because royalties related to Ōguro were coming in, it all adds up.

>900 You again. Number-one poster on the board, internet shut-in. Are you enjoying your life? Addicted to 2ch? You okay?

>902 Then in that case, we can just say GC has no talent.

>901 Explain why they belong in that category. Explain it logically.

Azuki writes good lyrics, but they're not commercial〜 Outside Gane, I feel like her lyrics work pretty well with Aika Ohno's music. I liked songs like “Aoi Kasa de.”

>890 Yurippe isn't exactly a conventional beauty, so she must have originally been intended as the composer. The fact that she was on a salary system in the early days makes that clear too.

>904 Ten years? No way! He won't change until he dies! Why does he have to completely deny something other people like just because he doesn't like it?

>906 You say “you again,” but your ID hasn't changedｗ

>909 It isn't that they weren't commercial. They just never reached a level where they could sell.

Most of Azuki's lyrics are excerpts from books, so people who aren't familiar with literature probably get the wrong idea. In a way, you should think of her as a missionary.

>907 “GC has talent” having no basis doesn't mean “GC has no talent” is correct. So why did you think that was enough?

That stuff isn't lyrics. It's poetry.

Gane Crow was probably originally created to give Azuki something to do. Considering the over 70-million-yen income and the fact that she became a director of a subsidiary, she must have had a deep relationship with Nagato.

I imagine Yurippe probably wanted to appear on Kōhaku.

Once this thread ends, let's wait a little before starting the next one〜 I don't want this topic carried over.

>915 Why does Gane belong in the category of “liked by otaku and talented”? Use that mathematical way of thinking and explain it logically.

>920 I'm asking you a question.

>919 If you don't want this carried over to the next thread, then stop saying that Gane has talent or ability. Gane is a typical example of the GIZA method: Kuraki, Uehara, Saegusa, and countless other textbook cases of “fabrication.”

>921 You agree with denying “otaku liking it means it has talent,” so I don't understand why you won't agree with “GC has no talent.”

Sāsa never sold, did they? They got cut after just one year.

>908 They debuted with a major label, got multiple tie-ins, kept going for 13 years, made it into the Oricon top 50, and were popular here, to the point that even the papers covered their breakup.

There was Pink Ink too. WAG and NIFE were GIZA-method acts as well, I think. What has this company even been doing for 13 years? Did they think that because Kuraki hit it big, everyone else would too?

I mostly watched NTV's entertainment shows, but they didn't cover the breakup.

>925 Oricon number 50ｗ Isn't that setting the bar a little too low? Lasting 13 years was nothing but the result of Nagato's reckless management.

newcinema蜥蜴...

>928 What about the others?

That's why I keep saying 13 years—this whole Being method goes back to the ZARD days. Being made a fortune in real estate, so music was basically just Nagato's hobby.

For Garnet, aren't the B-sides like Koisuru koto shika and Kyou no Kimi to Ashita wo Matsu better than A-sides like Mysterious Eyes?ｗｗｗ

Gane's singles were only selling a little over 10,000 copies these past few years, right? How did they ever break even on that? They had to pay employee and artist salaries, equipment upkeep, and all kinds of other expenses out of those sales, right? Anyone should be able to tell they were in the red. It was probably enough to wipe everything out just by running a few CM spots on Conan.

>931 Is that so?

>ID:SfkP8xaI0 I agree with what you're saying, so please don't come back here anymore. Music is ultimately just a matter of whether you like it, dislike it, or don't care about it. If you have something to say, take it to a more appropriate thread.

People are making fun of you guys on Twitter. They call it “low-level communication.”

>934 Being makes so much money from real estate that it could practically call real estate its main business.

>932 Most people think that way!

>931 That's the point: what does Nagato think about that hobby project being wiped out without ever bearing fruit?

>923 Denying “otaku liking it means it has talent” ≠ “GC has no talent.” Denying “otaku liking it means it has talent” = “otaku liking it means we don't know whether it has talent.”

You're losing money despite getting into real estate? What an idiotｗ

>932 “Futari no Rocket” had “Mikansei na Neiro,” “Mär Heaven” had “Circle Days,” and when it was “Kaze to Rainbow” and “Kono Te wo Nobaseba,” it was “Megurimichi.” I was more likely to like the B-sides.

Filler posts, filler posts.

>940 > Denying “otaku liking it means it has talent” ≠ “GC has no talent.” Then explain why that reason makes it ≠. Explain why Gane is an exception.

B-side nerds are a pain too. It's fine if you like or dislike something yourself, but they insist on getting other people to agree. Are they really that insecure, or do they just want to huddle together?

The album called all lovers is the bestｗｗｗ Yurippe is better on songs where she doesn't add all those gestures, the songs recorded quietly in a studio... Maybe she's just bad at singing in front of peopleｗｗｗｗ”

>944 That's what makes it ≠? “Because it's a logical leap” is enough, isn't it?

This company turns way too many people who aren't good enough to sing in front of others into singers. They probably just pick someone walking down the street, ask “Do you want to be a singer?” and bring them in. They must scout new talent like street-corner touts.

>947 No, you see, you've already denied it once, so I don't understand why Gane is outside the scope of that denial.

It must be tough when you can't back down. If it ended in a day or so, you'd just be a spineless idiot. Good night.

They probably kept it going for 13 years because they couldn't back down. The latter half was probably just stubbornness. I'd love to ask Nagato, “How does it feel to end in complete failure?”

Well, if Yuri and Nana had been ugly, there wouldn't be a Garnet Crow. Add in the good music and lyrics, and that's what made them artists people wanted to become fans of and spend money on.

While I'm filling the thread, I wonder if last year's postponed Osaka fan event because of the typhoon was the reason for the breakup. The decision was right, but postponing it meant the venue and equipment rental fees, labor costs, and all the other operating costs had to be eaten. They couldn't recoup it through ticket sales either. Maybe they decided that was too much of a risk for an artist who was only barely profitable.

Even if they weren't ugly, they were the type whose faces didn't leave much of an impression on the general public. You know how there are low-key handsome guys? Guys who are handsome but nobody really thinks anything of them.

>951 Is it really because they couldn't back down? (・∀・)

What are we doing about the next thread?

I was blocked from creating a thread, so someone other than the lunatic should make it. I'll nominate >960 for now.

That's why Gane couldn't possibly have been profitable. A company that has to fund everything itself would take a huge loss on sales of around 10,000 copies.

How many singers do you think can sell 10,000 copies these days?

>949 What do you mean, denying this and that? In the last line of >869, you said, “Just because people like it doesn't mean it has talent,” right? All I did was reply, “Exactly,” to that line. Gane never came up. It's irrelevant. Okay?

>957 I'm off to make it.

>960 But the two posts above that aren't persuasive. But the two posts above that aren't persuasive. But the two posts above that aren't persuasive. But the two posts above that aren't persuasive.

>959 So what exactly are you saying? That Gane is profitable?ｗ

The music industry is in a recession, right? Even Nostalgia, I think, ranked pretty high.

Exactly. Even Chatmonchy's debut sold only 6,000 copiesｗｗｗ They're the only musicians who can keep putting out 10,000-copy sellers at that paceｗ

>962 You clearly understand what the point is.

So what? That doesn't prove Gane was profitable. Even if you explain that more and more acts are losing money, that's beside the point. Why?

>966 You don't understand at all. I asked about the reason it wasn't persuasive in >949, baldy.

>962 Exactly. What's your problem?

That's why it's taking so long.

>966 >925

Come on, pick your favorite ending. A(´･ω･)&蛙 “We're getting married” B(´･ω･)(￣_￣) “We're getting married” C(´･ω･)(■ω■) “We're getting married” D(´･ω･)( ^ω^) “We'll go to a country where same-sex marriage is legal and get married”

>971 >928

>973 So what about the rest?

What does “the rest” refer to?

>968 That was the reason you were asking about? I finally understand what >949 meant. > “You already denied it once, but Gane isn't included.” No, they are included. But “not necessarily talented” ≠ “untalented.” Got it?

GARNET CROW part283 http://toro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicjg/1364911126/

The rebuttal in >928 didn't answer everything in >925, did it? What about the rest?

>976 No, I don't understand at all. I'm asking why Gane is an exception.

>978 No, it did answer it. Didn't I say, “Where exactly is the popularity?”

>979 An exception to what?

What is this conversation evenｗ What's the point of talking about this nowｗ

>976 Stop engaging him! You're just wasting your time! I started this whole thing, and I've already stopped!

>982 I put this in the next thread, just to make sure it was emphasized. I'm done with this guy after this thread too. ・★★★ Please thoroughly ignore trolls, delusions, and perverted posts. ★★★

>980 You're such an idiot. You really are exhausting. “Not necessarily untalented,” so you're saying Gane isn't untalented, right? That's the reason I'm asking about.

>ID:SfkP8xaI0 What happened between you and GIZA? Could you tell me privately?

Ignore him, you morons.

Basically, all I'm saying is that you should stop making ridiculous claims that Gane has talent or ability. They're just people with no talent whom the fabricated GIZA method forcibly turned into singers and writers.

>985 > “Not necessarily untalented,” so you're saying Gane isn't untalented, right? That's a huge leap. “Not necessarily untalented” = there isn't enough information to judge whether they have talent or not ≠ they aren't untalented. You're really uneducated.

>972 I'll go with Dｗ I just want to see Yuri and Nana getting along aaaaaah

GARNET CROW part283 http://toro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musicjg/1364911126/

Everyone listens to music differently. I like Gane's music and enjoy it. If you get a kick out of nitpicking other people's enjoyment at length, then which one of us is the child?

>986 No, I'm actually giving GIZA a kick in the pants and encouraging them. Everyone they put out after Kuraki broke through disappeared without ever taking off. So they should change their policy and make a serious fresh start.

Hey, why are there so many people engaging the troll? It's depressing.

GIZA is just Nagato's mistress-debut machine these days. Don't worry about it.

At least, my ability to draw people in is the best in the world right now.

>989 I understand all that. You denied it once, then said Gane falls outside the scope of that denial. I'm asking why.

>988 Fine, let's say they have no talent. Could you stop coming here now?

>997 You clearly don't understand. Go to sleep.

>996 I wholeheartedly agree with that opinion!